We don’t know if there are gods, or a God

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

[Anonymous]

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Reality is there is no meaning or pupose.

The meaning of my life is what it means to me and to some extent that incorporates what my family interactions are, what we mean to each other.
The purpose of my life is what I feel it to be. In my case, helping my family, enjoying our life together, interacting with our pets, enjoying nature.

I guess I lucked out by not coming from a churchgoing family. I get to believe in god because my life is better when I pray, I am calmer and less scared, but never got all that stuff the atheists are always going on about, like believing in a literal hell after death, that there's a plan that includes me getting t boned by a car, that there's one true religion, yadda yadda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Reality is there is no meaning or pupose.

The meaning of my life is what it means to me and to some extent that incorporates what my family interactions are, what we mean to each other.
The purpose of my life is what I feel it to be. In my case, helping my family, enjoying our life together, interacting with our pets, enjoying nature.

I guess I lucked out by not coming from a churchgoing family. I get to believe in god because my life is better when I pray, I am calmer and less scared, but never got all that stuff the atheists are always going on about, like believing in a literal hell after death, that there's a plan that includes me getting t boned by a car, that there's one true religion, yadda yadda.

You are making up your own beliefs then. Either you follow an established religion and all its practices, or you are making up your own. Either set is still a fabricated system, but one entails more buy in from others.

Neither is proof for god(s).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Reality is there is no meaning or pupose.

The meaning of my life is what it means to me and to some extent that incorporates what my family interactions are, what we mean to each other.
The purpose of my life is what I feel it to be. In my case, helping my family, enjoying our life together, interacting with our pets, enjoying nature.

I guess I lucked out by not coming from a churchgoing family. I get to believe in god because my life is better when I pray, I am calmer and less scared, but never got all that stuff the atheists are always going on about, like believing in a literal hell after death, that there's a plan that includes me getting t boned by a car, that there's one true religion, yadda yadda.

What you describe above seems like the beliefs of fundamentalist Christians, not mainline protestants, catholics, or other non-Christian religions. Also, many atheists, excepting those who post on DCUM, are very quiet about their feelings about religion and many don't feel the way you say they do.

If religion brings you comfort - go for it. So what if it's imaginary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many posts stating that people should face reality, there are no gods or God.

This is not a settled question.

Whomever posts this is stating their opinion, which if correctly stated, they personally don’t believe in gods or a God.

They claim something that no one really knows.

So if you don’t believe in gods or a God, great, that’s your opinion.

But other people do believe in a higher power, gods, a God, or God. Their belief is just as valid and acceptable as not believing.

No, your opinion that Gods exist is not "as valid and acceptable as not believing" unless you apply that same standard to belief in fairies and Santa Claus. They, like God, are invisible beings, that all kids grow out of before adulthood. Also, I bet you only believe in one of the Gods that are out there -- say the Christian God and not the Muslim God. How can that be?

The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God). If you’re going to try and make a point, at least get your facts right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many posts stating that people should face reality, there are no gods or God.

This is not a settled question.

Whomever posts this is stating their opinion, which if correctly stated, they personally don’t believe in gods or a God.

They claim something that no one really knows.

So if you don’t believe in gods or a God, great, that’s your opinion.

But other people do believe in a higher power, gods, a God, or God. Their belief is just as valid and acceptable as not believing.

No, your opinion that Gods exist is not "as valid and acceptable as not believing" unless you apply that same standard to belief in fairies and Santa Claus. They, like God, are invisible beings, that all kids grow out of before adulthood. Also, I bet you only believe in one of the Gods that are out there -- say the Christian God and not the Muslim God. How can that be?

The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God). If you’re going to try and make a point, at least get your facts right.

Did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? If so, Christians are in big trouble for not following the rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many posts stating that people should face reality, there are no gods or God.

This is not a settled question.

Whomever posts this is stating their opinion, which if correctly stated, they personally don’t believe in gods or a God.

They claim something that no one really knows.

So if you don’t believe in gods or a God, great, that’s your opinion.

But other people do believe in a higher power, gods, a God, or God. Their belief is just as valid and acceptable as not believing.

No, your opinion that Gods exist is not "as valid and acceptable as not believing" unless you apply that same standard to belief in fairies and Santa Claus. They, like God, are invisible beings, that all kids grow out of before adulthood. Also, I bet you only believe in one of the Gods that are out there -- say the Christian God and not the Muslim God. How can that be?

The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God). If you’re going to try and make a point, at least get your facts right.

Did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? If so, Christians are in big trouble for not following the rules.

Correct. Pp should get all their facts right before making comments like "The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God)" . Christians do not believe that God dictated the Quran to Mohammed.

Maybe it's the same God but the muslim God did more? and did it later? If so, does that mean all Christians are wrong? Or does it mean that Muslims made up extra staff about God? Now I'm confused. It makes more sense to not believe any of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

Yes it certainly appears that way - but if you can’t show evidence of a claim, how can you “know with certainty”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

Yes it certainly appears that way - but if you can’t show evidence of a claim, how can you “know with certainty”?

How does one “show evidence” of something that doesn’t exist?

Show evidence that we aren’t living in a computer simulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

Yes it certainly appears that way - but if you can’t show evidence of a claim, how can you “know with certainty”?

How does one “show evidence” of something that doesn’t exist?

Show evidence that we aren’t living in a computer simulation.

You don’t, you can’t, and that is the point: you should not claim certainty without evidence. If you do, you give the theists the right to do so as well. That is what they want most, a level playing field for their illogical position.

In your second sentence you are asking the question of hard solipsism. Totally different one and not relevant to the god question in any way except as a distraction. Short answer: all debates have to start with some presuppositions. The laws of logic are generally considered the most basic ones. If we can’t agree on the premise that this is reality we experience, no discussion about the nature of that experience can be had so let’s not even bother. If someone’s presupposition is that a god exists (which a large percentage of theist arguments do) then also there is no way to have a discussion about it.

[Anonymous]

As the argument has been made, we also can’t prove there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

Yes it certainly appears that way - but if you can’t show evidence of a claim, how can you “know with certainty”?

How does one “show evidence” of something that doesn’t exist?

Show evidence that we aren’t living in a computer simulation.

You don’t, you can’t, and that is the point: you should not claim certainty without evidence. If you do, you give the theists the right to do so as well. That is what they want most, a level playing field for their illogical position.

In your second sentence you are asking the question of hard solipsism. Totally different one and not relevant to the god question in any way except as a distraction. Short answer: all debates have to start with some presuppositions. The laws of logic are generally considered the most basic ones. If we can’t agree on the premise that this is reality we experience, no discussion about the nature of that experience can be had so let’s not even bother. If someone’s presupposition is that a god exists (which a large percentage of theist arguments do) then also there is no way to have a discussion about it.

Claiming that something exists is a lot different than claiming something doesn’t. You can’t prove a negative.

Prove that invisible space monkeys don’t sneak your house at night to hide the scissors.

Prove that the god isn’t an invisible space monkey running a computer simulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

It does now, but how do you know it did then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many posts stating that people should face reality, there are no gods or God.

This is not a settled question.

Whomever posts this is stating their opinion, which if correctly stated, they personally don’t believe in gods or a God.

They claim something that no one really knows.

So if you don’t believe in gods or a God, great, that’s your opinion.

But other people do believe in a higher power, gods, a God, or God. Their belief is just as valid and acceptable as not believing.

No, your opinion that Gods exist is not "as valid and acceptable as not believing" unless you apply that same standard to belief in fairies and Santa Claus. They, like God, are invisible beings, that all kids grow out of before adulthood. Also, I bet you only believe in one of the Gods that are out there -- say the Christian God and not the Muslim God. How can that be?

The Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God (Abrahamic God). If you’re going to try and make a point, at least get your facts right.

Did the Christian god dictate the Quran to Mohammed? If so, Christians are in big trouble for not following the rules.

Actually they are all the same rules every time. It’s just that people keep misinterpreting them.