We don’t know if there are gods, or a God

[Anonymous]

Look, this thread is getting circulat.
Final take from me:
If someone needs or wants empirical, factual, tangible, logical "PROOF" there is a god before they would be willing to accept said god's existence, then perhaps they wouldn't benefit much from said acceptance anyway.

If someone choose to accept a god without PROOF, then perhaps they can benefit from said acceptance in terms of peace, serenity, sense of wellbeing, etc. It's what their spiritual life is like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, this thread is getting circulat.
Final take from me:
If someone needs or wants empirical, factual, tangible, logical "PROOF" there is a god before they would be willing to accept said god's existence, then perhaps they wouldn't benefit much from said acceptance anyway.

If someone choose to accept a god without PROOF, then perhaps they can benefit from said acceptance in terms of peace, serenity, sense of wellbeing, etc. It's what their spiritual life is like.

English please.

[Anonymous]

Circular.

If you need proof to accept god maybe you don't want god or need god.

If you want or need god you don't need proof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Circular.

If you need proof to accept god maybe you don't want god or need god.

If you want or need god you don't need proof.

AKA it’s a mental crutch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone thinks they know but they don't. If there is a god/s, maybe its not about control over our lives, but just the existence of spiritual energy/force.

You are correct, no one can say with 100% absolute certainty that god does or does not exist.

However, I can use reason and logic to evaluate the information we do have available to make a decision.

Upon review, in my opinion, god does not exist.

I would also say that if you have reduced god down to the bare minimum possible for belief of "spiritual energ/force", why bother believing at all?

We have reasonable, natural ideas for many of life's big questions. They are not 100% complete, and odds are likely we may never have full knowledge.

Seeking out new information to help understand our place in the universe does not require god in any shape or form, however you may want to define it or call it.

Just like no one can say with 100% absolute certainty that invisible space monkeys sneak your house at night to hide all of the scissors. ✂️ 🐒

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone thinks they know but they don't. If there is a god/s, maybe its not about control over our lives, but just the existence of spiritual energy/force.

You are correct, no one can say with 100% absolute certainty that god does or does not exist.

However, I can use reason and logic to evaluate the information we do have available to make a decision.

Upon review, in my opinion, god does not exist.

I would also say that if you have reduced god down to the bare minimum possible for belief of "spiritual energ/force", why bother believing at all?

We have reasonable, natural ideas for many of life's big questions. They are not 100% complete, and odds are likely we may never have full knowledge.

Seeking out new information to help understand our place in the universe does not require god in any shape or form, however you may want to define it or call it.

Just like no one can say with 100% absolute certainty that invisible space monkeys sneak your house at night to hide all of the scissors. ✂️ 🐒

Incorrect. This is a bad anology.

I could put cameras with multiple sensors around my house to check if they were only invisible in the visual spectrum or in all frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum. The cameras would directly record the scissors in the house. One could also tie them down and/or put an alarm around them.

This is testable which means we can gather data to help make a determination one way or another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Circular.

If you need proof to accept god maybe you don't want god or need god.

If you want or need god you don't need proof.

And you can say the same for anything else you want or need, like money or love.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, this thread is getting circulat.
Final take from me:
If someone needs or wants empirical, factual, tangible, logical "PROOF" there is a god before they would be willing to accept said god's existence, then perhaps they wouldn't benefit much from said acceptance anyway.

If someone choose to accept a god without PROOF, then perhaps they can benefit from said acceptance in terms of peace, serenity, sense of wellbeing, etc. It's what their spiritual life is like.

And you can say the same for fairies and the Lock Ness Monster or anything else that's invisible but you believe exists. The only difference with God is that so many people still believe in him. HIM! People even seem to know his gender.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Circular.

If you need proof to accept god maybe you don't want god or need god.

If you want or need god you don't need proof.

AKA it’s a mental crutch.

AKA it's a choice not a requirement.
If you think it's a crutch then why debate, just walk away.
If you want it, enjoy it.

Why do you have to be so negative? What other people choose is actually not your concern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods.

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color - did NOT set the world in motion. How about you?

How do you know that for certain?

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science.

Yes it certainly appears that way - but if you can’t show evidence of a claim, how can you “know with certainty”?

How does one “show evidence” of something that doesn’t exist?

Show evidence that we aren’t living in a computer simulation.

You don’t, you can’t, and that is the point: you should not claim certainty without evidence. If you do, you give the theists the right to do so as well. That is what they want most, a level playing field for their illogical position.

In your second sentence you are asking the question of hard solipsism. Totally different one and not relevant to the god question in any way except as a distraction. Short answer: all debates have to start with some presuppositions. The laws of logic are generally considered the most basic ones. If we can’t agree on the premise that this is reality we experience, no discussion about the nature of that experience can be had so let’s not even bother. If someone’s presupposition is that a god exists (which a large percentage of theist arguments do) then also there is no way to have a discussion about it.

Claiming that something exists is a lot different than claiming something doesn’t. You can’t prove a negative.

Prove that invisible space monkeys don’t sneak your house at night to hide the scissors.

Prove that the god isn’t an invisible space monkey running a computer simulation.

Did you even read what you are responding to?

I did. It's bunk. Did you read my comment?

You could try replying to it with some substance instead of nonsense. When did I make any of the claims you ask me to prove? I don’t believe those things, nor do I believe in a god. I am just not going to claim certainty without evidence, nor will I accept it when theists do that, or when others do.

Claims require evidence. It’s basic logic.

So you are not certain if invisible space monkeys sneak your house at night to hide the scissors - or not?

No, I am not certain. But I also do not believe it. It’s a preposterous concept, and not worth considering. Just like a god.

I will tell you this: I don’t make any claim I can’t back up with evidence, because I am not an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, this thread is getting circulat.
Final take from me:
If someone needs or wants empirical, factual, tangible, logical "PROOF" there is a god before they would be willing to accept said god's existence, then perhaps they wouldn't benefit much from said acceptance anyway.

If someone choose to accept a god without PROOF, then perhaps they can benefit from said acceptance in terms of peace, serenity, sense of wellbeing, etc. It's what their spiritual life is like.

And you can say the same for fairies and the Lock Ness Monster or anything else that's invisible but you believe exists. The only difference with God is that so many people still believe in him. HIM! People even seem to know his gender.

So what? What's it to you. You are a proselytizing atheist with a quota to meet?
If it's all bullshit why care what others do or think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, this thread is getting circulat.
Final take from me:
If someone needs or wants empirical, factual, tangible, logical "PROOF" there is a god before they would be willing to accept said god's existence, then perhaps they wouldn't benefit much from said acceptance anyway.

If someone choose to accept a god without PROOF, then perhaps they can benefit from said acceptance in terms of peace, serenity, sense of wellbeing, etc. It's what their spiritual life is like.

And you can say the same for fairies and the Lock Ness Monster or anything else that's invisible but you believe exists. The only difference with God is that so many people still believe in him. HIM! People even seem to know his gender.

So what? What's it to you. You are a proselytizing atheist with a quota to meet?
If it's all bullshit why care what others do or think?

Are you ignorant, stupid, or both?

Believers, and especially Christians, are trying to cram their fairy tales down the throats of everyone else. This has been raised ad nauseum in these forums.

Leave us alone and we'd leave you alone to continue your irrational faith in myths.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone thinks they know but they don't. If there is a god/s, maybe its not about control over our lives, but just the existence of spiritual energy/force.

You are correct, no one can say with 100% absolute certainty that god does or does not exist.

However, I can use reason and logic to evaluate the information we do have available to make a decision.

Upon review, in my opinion, god does not exist.

I would also say that if you have reduced god down to the bare minimum possible for belief of "spiritual energ/force", why bother believing at all?

We have reasonable, natural ideas for many of life's big questions. They are not 100% complete, and odds are likely we may never have full knowledge.

Seeking out new information to help understand our place in the universe does not require god in any shape or form, however you may want to define it or call it.

Just like no one can say with 100% absolute certainty that invisible space monkeys sneak your house at night to hide all of the scissors. ✂️ 🐒

Incorrect. This is a bad anology.

I could put cameras with multiple sensors around my house to check if they were only invisible in the visual spectrum or in all frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum. The cameras would directly record the scissors in the house. One could also tie them down and/or put an alarm around them.

This is testable which means we can gather data to help make a determination one way or another.

No, they could alter camera footage. Space monkeys are very sneaky.

No one can say with 100% absolute certainty that invisible space monkeys don’t sneak into your house at night to hide all of the scissors. ✂️ 🐒

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Circular.

If you need proof to accept god maybe you don't want god or need god.

If you want or need god you don't need proof.

AKA it’s a mental crutch.

AKA it's a choice not a requirement.
If you think it's a crutch then why debate, just walk away.
If you want it, enjoy it.

Why do you have to be so negative? What other people choose is actually not your concern.

How is that negative? It just is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone thinks they know but they don't. If there is a god/s, maybe its not about control over our lives, but just the existence of spiritual energy/force.

You are correct, no one can say with 100% absolute certainty that god does or does not exist.

However, I can use reason and logic to evaluate the information we do have available to make a decision.

Upon review, in my opinion, god does not exist.

I would also say that if you have reduced god down to the bare minimum possible for belief of "spiritual energ/force", why bother believing at all?

We have reasonable, natural ideas for many of life's big questions. They are not 100% complete, and odds are likely we may never have full knowledge.

Seeking out new information to help understand our place in the universe does not require god in any shape or form, however you may want to define it or call it.

Just like no one can say with 100% absolute certainty that invisible space monkeys sneak your house at night to hide all of the scissors. ✂️ 🐒

Incorrect. This is a bad anology.

I could put cameras with multiple sensors around my house to check if they were only invisible in the visual spectrum or in all frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum. The cameras would directly record the scissors in the house. One could also tie them down and/or put an alarm around them.

This is testable which means we can gather data to help make a determination one way or another.

They are afraid of cameras, so that would scare them away to a neighbor house.