MIami IN Notre Dame Out

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame has reached the end as an "independent" school. Playing Stanford, Syracuse, Pitt, Navy and other non-competitive teams at the end of the schedule. What's the point?

Notre Dame would get destroyed if they played an SEC schedule.

Mediocre.

This. ND's two toughest matchups this season came in weeks 1 and 2 (Miami and Texas A&M). They lost them both. And then they went on their out of garbage opponents. What a joke.

Yes. If anything, ND should just join the ACC and stop being snobby about it. They'd get destroyed in the SEC or B10, but could likely run the ACC.

I hope ND exits the ACC. See what happens to them then. They’ve been keeping them afloat. Maybe time to have the rest of the ND teams join Big 10 and keep football independent. Other ACC teams like Clemson will follow. ACC will be screwed.

ND isn't in the ACC. They are independent.

I realize that. I meant the other sports plus football supports them by playing 5 games a year.

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Anonymous wrote:And I am also certain that Notre Dame football is no longer relevant this season.

And I suspect that Notre Dame football will see decommits this year & not be ranked among the top 10 teams in next season's pre-season rankings. Which is bad news for ND football as it will have to prove itself on the field. Ooopsy !

You wish! ND has one of the strongest 2026 teams for recruits in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t anyone just say that the SEC as it stands as a conference is the problem in and of itself. Everyone can agree that several of their teams belong in over Tulane and JMU based on quality of play, but isn’t it their own fault for playing in a conference where it’s pretty impossible to be one of the top teams in it? If the ACC wants to stay relevant then they need to pick up ND and one of the SEC mid-table teams (Vandy would slot in nicely, but might lose its recruits for next year if it bolted). Heck, even JMU if Tech doesn’t get its act together. At any rate, then those teams would be a shoo-in for CFP next year.

Here's how it should work.

There needs to be two CFPs. One for the lower level conferences and one for the Power 4 teams (including ND). That would ensure that you don't end up with this group of 5 slots that ruin the whole thing. Similar to high school groupings.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t anyone just say that the SEC as it stands as a conference is the problem in and of itself. Everyone can agree that several of their teams belong in over Tulane and JMU based on quality of play, but isn’t it their own fault for playing in a conference where it’s pretty impossible to be one of the top teams in it? If the ACC wants to stay relevant then they need to pick up ND and one of the SEC mid-table teams (Vandy would slot in nicely, but might lose its recruits for next year if it bolted). Heck, even JMU if Tech doesn’t get its act together. At any rate, then those teams would be a shoo-in for CFP next year.

Here's how it should work.

There needs to be two CFPs. One for the lower level conferences and one for the Power 4 teams (including ND). That would ensure that you don't end up with this group of 5 slots that ruin the whole thing. Similar to high school groupings.

Should we apply the same rules to March Madness?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. ND was ranked ahead of Alabama. Alabama lost and suddenly jumped ND and Miami then slides into its slot. Very sleezy moves by the committee considering neither Miami nor ND played this week. ND was slotted in the top ten for 5 weeks. CFP can no longer have any credibility.

If it had been a close loss I might understand, but they were absolutely destroyed.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t anyone just say that the SEC as it stands as a conference is the problem in and of itself. Everyone can agree that several of their teams belong in over Tulane and JMU based on quality of play, but isn’t it their own fault for playing in a conference where it’s pretty impossible to be one of the top teams in it? If the ACC wants to stay relevant then they need to pick up ND and one of the SEC mid-table teams (Vandy would slot in nicely, but might lose its recruits for next year if it bolted). Heck, even JMU if Tech doesn’t get its act together. At any rate, then those teams would be a shoo-in for CFP next year.

Here's how it should work.

There needs to be two CFPs. One for the lower level conferences and one for the Power 4 teams (including ND). That would ensure that you don't end up with this group of 5 slots that ruin the whole thing. Similar to high school groupings.

Tulane was humiliated by Ole Miss on 09/20/25, and is very likely to happen again. JMU will certainly get humiliated by the Oregon Ducks on 12/20/25. Apparently, it is OK for JMU to get a participation trophy, and get humiliated on national TV for 4M which will go to the Sun Belt conference.

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Anonymous wrote:Miami and ND basically played the same schedule, minus Texas A&M.

And Miami won the head to head. Seems straightforward.

See, no one’s disputing that. The question is why wait until Dec 7 to offer that as an explanation? And not only that, to affirmatively DENY until Dec 7 that the head to head mattered at all.

Anyone who actually knows anything about the process this year knows that ND’s beef isn’t with Miami getting in over it. It’s Alabama getting in over it.

Alabama deserves their CFP spot based on strength of schedule along with their performance this year (Alabama beat Georgia at Athens, Georgia when Georgia was ranked #1.)

The gist of Notre Dame's whining, pouting, & crying tantrum is that Notre Dame football says the first half of the season shouldn't count simply because ND football played poorly during most of that time. Unfortunately, all games count, the entire season counts, when being considered for a CFP bid. ND football had substantial input in designing the current CFP system expecting to benefit each and every year from an expanded number of CFP teams, but oops, ND football forgot to win against U Miami & Texas A&M before taking their traditional vacation against weak teams.

Alabama started off the season being humiliated by a pathetic Florida State team and ended up being humiliated by Georgia. I guess the “entire season” doesn’t count for them though.

Again, you're wrong. Those games did matter. Alabama just plays a tougher & longer schedule than did Notre Dame. If it didn't matter,we would not be having this discussion.

Notre Dame's best hope for continued relevance in college football is for the CFP to expand from 12 teams to 16 teams. I hope this happens as I would like to see ND football play in the post season.

The committee itself said the SEC championship game didn’t matter.

A championship game seemed to matter a lot for BYU though didn’t it? Strange that Alabama badly loses its game and doesn’t drop, BUY badly loses theirs and drops. SEC bias.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t anyone just say that the SEC as it stands as a conference is the problem in and of itself. Everyone can agree that several of their teams belong in over Tulane and JMU based on quality of play, but isn’t it their own fault for playing in a conference where it’s pretty impossible to be one of the top teams in it? If the ACC wants to stay relevant then they need to pick up ND and one of the SEC mid-table teams (Vandy would slot in nicely, but might lose its recruits for next year if it bolted). Heck, even JMU if Tech doesn’t get its act together. At any rate, then those teams would be a shoo-in for CFP next year.

Here's how it should work.

There needs to be two CFPs. One for the lower level conferences and one for the Power 4 teams (including ND). That would ensure that you don't end up with this group of 5 slots that ruin the whole thing. Similar to high school groupings.

Should we apply the same rules to March Madness?

Basketball very different from football. And those games are boring. Keep stronger teams separated from weaker teams to make interesting games. Those games with Tulane and JMU will be a disaster for them. Embarrassing.

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Anonymous wrote:Miami and ND basically played the same schedule, minus Texas A&M.

And Miami won the head to head. Seems straightforward.

See, no one’s disputing that. The question is why wait until Dec 7 to offer that as an explanation? And not only that, to affirmatively DENY until Dec 7 that the head to head mattered at all.

Anyone who actually knows anything about the process this year knows that ND’s beef isn’t with Miami getting in over it. It’s Alabama getting in over it.

Alabama deserves their CFP spot based on strength of schedule along with their performance this year (Alabama beat Georgia at Athens, Georgia when Georgia was ranked #1.)

The gist of Notre Dame's whining, pouting, & crying tantrum is that Notre Dame football says the first half of the season shouldn't count simply because ND football played poorly during most of that time. Unfortunately, all games count, the entire season counts, when being considered for a CFP bid. ND football had substantial input in designing the current CFP system expecting to benefit each and every year from an expanded number of CFP teams, but oops, ND football forgot to win against U Miami & Texas A&M before taking their traditional vacation against weak teams.

Alabama started off the season being humiliated by a pathetic Florida State team and ended up being humiliated by Georgia. I guess the “entire season” doesn’t count for them though.

Again, you're wrong. Those games did matter. Alabama just plays a tougher & longer schedule than did Notre Dame. If it didn't matter,we would not be having this discussion.

Notre Dame's best hope for continued relevance in college football is for the CFP to expand from 12 teams to 16 teams. I hope this happens as I would like to see ND football play in the post season.

The committee itself said the SEC championship game didn’t matter.

A championship game seemed to matter a lot for BYU though didn’t it? Strange that Alabama badly loses its game and doesn’t drop, BUY badly loses theirs and drops. SEC bias.

Excellent point.

College football is a business. The CFP needs to serve the SEC & the Big Ten Conference so they do not leave & form their own closed college football league. Was also a reason (among other legit reasons) for placing U Miami, the only ACC team,in the CFP.

Notre Dame is an independent school. ND needs the CFP, the SEC, the Big Ten Conference, the ACC, and the Big 12; none of these conferences need Notre Dame and neither does the CFP.

ND's childish response to not making the 12 team CFP looks bad. Also, ND football is wise to avoid playing what may be a super charged BYU team with a pouting, disappointed ND squad.

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Anonymous wrote:Bad look for ND. Meltdown in the cereal aisle.

This is such bullshit. Anyone who is even slightly objective has to concede that the committee did a terrible job and led Notre Dame on before pulling the rug out from under them.

Can anyone dispute that this is how it all went down:

Basically you had to be in the top ten to get into the playoff as an at large team.
For several weeks in a row the committee rankings were

9. Notre Dame
10. Alabama
11. BYU
12. Miami

Then in the last week of the regular season and out of the blue they switched it to

9. Alabama
10. ND
11. BYU
12. Miami

They said they made the switch because Alabama was “impressive” in squeaking by a touchdown over Auburn, even though Auburn’s record was only 5-7 and the game was in doubt until the very end

That same weekend ND flew out to Stanford, 4-8, and won by 29 points after resting all its starters in a game that didn’t even start until 10:30 pm in ND’s time zone

The following weekend Alabama and BYU play in their conference championship games. Both get embarrassed

Notre dame and Miami didn’t play games because their seasons were over

So the final rankings come out:

9. Alabama
10. Miami
11. ND
12. BYU

The committee “explained” that it didn’t drop Alabama because it shouldn’t be penalized for playing an extra game (the championship game for their conference) no matter how badly they played

BUT they penalized BYU for the same exact thing and dropped them!

It then “explained” that with ND and Miami now right next to each other the tie breaker was that they played each other in August at Miami and Miami won by 3. So they moved Miami up to 10 and ND down to 11 and out of the playoffs

BUT here’s the thing: they’ve known since DAY ONE that Miami won that game but every single week still ranked ND ahead of Miami because they said ND’s entire season was more impressive.

If this isn’t pulling the rug out from under a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds, what is?

Let’s teach 19 and 20 year olds to act like an entitled p.o.s.

Did ND ask the seniors if they wanted to finish their career in a bowl?

So you don't disagree with my summary of the facts, I see. We're making progress.

The team took a vote. That's how teams work.

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Anonymous wrote:ND needs to rethink their scheduling moving forward or join a P4 Conference.

Many stakeholders across college sports — perhaps even some in the CFP selection committee room — have expressed public and private belief that the Irish should join a league.

On Sunday, Bevacqua strongly pushed back against that notion. Notre Dame is one of the country’s most valuable brands, holds a lucrative independent television contract with NBC and has one of the richest apparel deals with Under Armour.

“We love being independent in football. It’s part of our DNA,” Bevacqua said. “We have zero intention of changing that. It’s part of who Notre Dame is. Quite frankly, this further cements our independence. We are out there fighting for ourselves. That’s something we accept.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/breaking-news/article/notre-dame-despondent-after-being-left-out-of-college-football-playoff--overwhelming-shock-and-sadness-192622885.html

Right. Their "DNA" is cashing checks, not playing football.

I feel a little bad for some of the players but, honestly, most of them could have played elsewhere but picked ND. This is baked in.

The love of money corrupted the entirety of college football.

They were smart to skip a bowl. Any NFL-bound players sit bowls out, anyway. They're pointless even as exhibitions at this point.

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The ND athletic director is the one acting like an entitled child.

I really wish that the Notre Dame football team, players, coaches, and staff had the courage and class to face a daunting BYU team in a post season bowl game. But, when the going gets tough, Notre Dame's football team and it's athletic director show us what they're made of (i.e. childish cowardice).

Maybe Notre Dame will show some class and decency and drop its football program for producing such a cowardly, entitled ethos.

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At the very least ND should change the school's name to Notre Shame.

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Anonymous wrote:Miami and ND basically played the same schedule, minus Texas A&M.

And Miami won the head to head. Seems straightforward.

See, no one’s disputing that. The question is why wait until Dec 7 to offer that as an explanation? And not only that, to affirmatively DENY until Dec 7 that the head to head mattered at all.

Anyone who actually knows anything about the process this year knows that ND’s beef isn’t with Miami getting in over it. It’s Alabama getting in over it.

Alabama deserves their CFP spot based on strength of schedule along with their performance this year (Alabama beat Georgia at Athens, Georgia when Georgia was ranked #1.)

The gist of Notre Dame's whining, pouting, & crying tantrum is that Notre Dame football says the first half of the season shouldn't count simply because ND football played poorly during most of that time. Unfortunately, all games count, the entire season counts, when being considered for a CFP bid. ND football had substantial input in designing the current CFP system expecting to benefit each and every year from an expanded number of CFP teams, but oops, ND football forgot to win against U Miami & Texas A&M before taking their traditional vacation against weak teams.

Alabama started off the season being humiliated by a pathetic Florida State team and ended up being humiliated by Georgia. I guess the “entire season” doesn’t count for them though.

Again, you're wrong. Those games did matter. Alabama just plays a tougher & longer schedule than did Notre Dame. If it didn't matter,we would not be having this discussion.

Notre Dame's best hope for continued relevance in college football is for the CFP to expand from 12 teams to 16 teams. I hope this happens as I would like to see ND football play in the post season.

The committee itself said the SEC championship game didn’t matter.

A championship game seemed to matter a lot for BYU though didn’t it? Strange that Alabama badly loses its game and doesn’t drop, BUY badly loses theirs and drops. SEC bias.

Excellent point.

College football is a business. The CFP needs to serve the SEC & the Big Ten Conference so they do not leave & form their own closed college football league. Was also a reason (among other legit reasons) for placing U Miami, the only ACC team,in the CFP.

Notre Dame is an independent school. ND needs the CFP, the SEC, the Big Ten Conference, the ACC, and the Big 12; none of these conferences need Notre Dame and neither does the CFP.

ND's childish response to not making the 12 team CFP looks bad. Also, ND football is wise to avoid playing what may be a super charged BYU team with a pouting, disappointed ND squad.

If you really think that ND opted out of a bowl because it was scared it would lose, there's just no reasoning with you.

No one, including me, is arguing that the other teams that made the CFP don't deserve to be there. The point is that the process leading to ND's elimination was highly suspect and downright cruel. Even ND haters agree with that.

After weeks of ranking ND as a qualifier and with the results of every game in championship weekend going its way -- including 9-4 Boise State, which ND beat by 3 touchdowns, winning the Mountain West Championship -- the team had every reason to expect their name to be called on Sunday morning.

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Anonymous wrote:The ND athletic director is the one acting like an entitled child.

I really wish that the Notre Dame football team, players, coaches, and staff had the courage and class to face a daunting BYU team in a post season bowl game. But, when the going gets tough, Notre Dame's football team and it's athletic director show us what they're made of (i.e. childish cowardice).

Maybe Notre Dame will show some class and decency and drop its football program for producing such a cowardly, entitled ethos.

Ah, ok, now I get it. You're just a troll. You're not here for a serious discussion.