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Anonymous wrote:I just did not find it interesting. The main character is not likable. And it reminds me of Last Man on Earth.

I find her so refreshingly real and vulnerable.

It's also nice to see a female character have a role that involves more than being a love interest or mother.

Give me a break

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just did not find it interesting. The main character is not likable. And it reminds me of Last Man on Earth.

I find her so refreshingly real and vulnerable.

It's also nice to see a female character have a role that involves more than being a love interest or mother.

Give me a break

I don’t know what kind of break you want but I agreed with PP about the lead. She’s great. She’s like a young female Ed Asher role — curmudgeon covering up a sensitive heart.

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Anonymous wrote:Some questions:

Manousos seems wildly capable- why didn’t he just take a boat around the gap?

Is it just me or is the actor who plays Manousos very, very sexy?

What is going to happen when Manousos wakes up in the hospital?

Also I feel like I could go more than 32 days without talking to anyone without losing my mind. I was on bedrest for 10 weeks and only saw my husband and mom. I would go to the library and check out all the Books and TV shows on video and just spend my time cooking, reading and watching TV. Maybe learning more Spanish in case Paraguay guy drops by.

I think the difference between having two people to talk to and no one is tremendous. Only people with very disciplined meditation practices like monks can handle true solitude. And for as strong as Carol is, she’s not really that disciplined, as we saw from the contrast with Menousos.

Between being confined to bed with my husband and mom to talk to, and being able to wander around town and get whatever I wanted but with no one to talk to, I would definitely take the latter. I really think I could go 32 days with no problem. By 6 months maybe. Although I think I would also get some dogs. This raises another question because they said the pod people let all the dogs free. So where are they? You think there would be tons of dogs hanging out around the Sprouts looking for a human with thumbs to get them some cheese. I don’t understand why she sees a bison but no beagles.

I’m now actually coveting a world in which I can just hang out with dogs and VHS tv shows and all the books in the world and eat whatever I want for a few months. This just turned from a dystopia to a utopia!

So, the UN says solitary confinement of more than 15 days is cruel and degrading treatment. Maybe you are an outlier? I am an introvert but I know that complete solitude is far different from hanging out in my house with my husband.

I can barely find tv to watch now although I wonder if the Hive can write and produce tv shows for your entertainment. That’s essentially what Diabate is doing- pretending to be in a James Bond movie.

Maybe the coyotes and wolves running around Albuquerque have eaten all the dogs.

[Anonymous]

Now I’m wondering what percentage of people go weeks without talking to anyone. I bet it’s actually not an insignificant number of people who sit in their house alone and watch TV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some questions:

Manousos seems wildly capable- why didn’t he just take a boat around the gap?

Is it just me or is the actor who plays Manousos very, very sexy?

What is going to happen when Manousos wakes up in the hospital?

HA! I had all of the same questions/comments!
Wildly capable - 100%
Very, very sexy - 100%
Why not a boat??? Exactly what I was wondering.

I understand he refuses to ask for any help whatsoever from “them,” but I was so hoping he would just take them up on the offer to fly him to Albuquerque.

It seems from the date display the show uses that he’s in the hospital for a long time. I wonder if he’ll accept their help to get to Carol when he’s recovered or if he’ll just continue driving.

Too bad we know they won’t be falling in love, but it’ll be interesting to see what kind of relationship they form.

I might have cried a little when Carol embraced Zosia at the end. How lonely she must be at this point!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some questions:

Manousos seems wildly capable- why didn’t he just take a boat around the gap?

Is it just me or is the actor who plays Manousos very, very sexy?

What is going to happen when Manousos wakes up in the hospital?

Also I feel like I could go more than 32 days without talking to anyone without losing my mind. I was on bedrest for 10 weeks and only saw my husband and mom. I would go to the library and check out all the Books and TV shows on video and just spend my time cooking, reading and watching TV. Maybe learning more Spanish in case Paraguay guy drops by.

I think the difference between having two people to talk to and no one is tremendous. Only people with very disciplined meditation practices like monks can handle true solitude. And for as strong as Carol is, she’s not really that disciplined, as we saw from the contrast with Menousos.

DP. The contrast between Carol and Menousos was striking. Here he is leaving money for the gas he siphons off and taking good care of everything he uses.

Then we have Carol exploding fireworks into houses and smashing golf balls through windows. She simply doesn’t care anymore.

I’m very curious where the story will go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some questions:

Manousos seems wildly capable- why didn’t he just take a boat around the gap?

Is it just me or is the actor who plays Manousos very, very sexy?

What is going to happen when Manousos wakes up in the hospital?

HA! I had all of the same questions/comments!
Wildly capable - 100%
Very, very sexy - 100%
Why not a boat??? Exactly what I was wondering.

I understand he refuses to ask for any help whatsoever from “them,” but I was so hoping he would just take them up on the offer to fly him to Albuquerque.

It seems from the date display the show uses that he’s in the hospital for a long time. I wonder if he’ll accept their help to get to Carol when he’s recovered or if he’ll just continue driving.

Too bad we know they won’t be falling in love, but it’ll be interesting to see what kind of relationship they form.

I might have cried a little when Carol embraced Zosia at the end. How lonely she must be at this point!

pp you are responding to- my husband didn't get it! But he was jealous.

"He's not even that handsome."

"I didn't say handsome. I said sexy. Crazy sexy."

I think things aren't going to be rosy when Menousos makes it to Carol and find her palling around with Zosia. Menousos is hard-core and laser focused in a way that Carol isn't. He's going to look at her the way she looks at Diabete. The man set his favorite possession on fire just so the Hive wouldn't touch it. Carol is hitting golf balls into office buildings.

And can you imagine what Menousos would do if he met Diabate, someone who is using stolen bodies for his own entertainment and pleasure? He would consider him a rapist, which, well, he is.

I think Menousos failing to get a boat was just a plot contrivance so that he would need the Hive which is my least favorite thing in the show so far.

The episode was beautiful and cinematic but way too slow. If it was a Youtube video I would have put it on 2x speed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some questions:

Manousos seems wildly capable- why didn’t he just take a boat around the gap?

Is it just me or is the actor who plays Manousos very, very sexy?

What is going to happen when Manousos wakes up in the hospital?

HA! I had all of the same questions/comments!
Wildly capable - 100%
Very, very sexy - 100%
Why not a boat??? Exactly what I was wondering.

I understand he refuses to ask for any help whatsoever from “them,” but I was so hoping he would just take them up on the offer to fly him to Albuquerque.

It seems from the date display the show uses that he’s in the hospital for a long time. I wonder if he’ll accept their help to get to Carol when he’s recovered or if he’ll just continue driving.

Too bad we know they won’t be falling in love, but it’ll be interesting to see what kind of relationship they form.

I might have cried a little when Carol embraced Zosia at the end. How lonely she must be at this point!

pp you are responding to- my husband didn't get it! But he was jealous.

"He's not even that handsome."

"I didn't say handsome. I said sexy. Crazy sexy."

I think things aren't going to be rosy when Menousos makes it to Carol and find her palling around with Zosia. Menousos is hard-core and laser focused in a way that Carol isn't. He's going to look at her the way she looks at Diabete. The man set his favorite possession on fire just so the Hive wouldn't touch it. Carol is hitting golf balls into office buildings.

And can you imagine what Menousos would do if he met Diabate, someone who is using stolen bodies for his own entertainment and pleasure? He would consider him a rapist, which, well, he is.

I think Menousos failing to get a boat was just a plot contrivance so that he would need the Hive which is my least favorite thing in the show so far.

The episode was beautiful and cinematic but way too slow. If it was a Youtube video I would have put it on 2x speed.

It was slow, but I also found his trip beautiful (not the Darien Pass part!). One thing I am getting supremely sick of is the telephone message that we have to keep sitting though every time Carol calls to make a request. Maybe now that she's reunited with Zosia/everyone, they can cut that.

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NP. Hahaha, PP, I LOVE listening to the whole message because you feel what Carol feels each time (yeah yeah yeah, get on with it!) and it’s hilarious and helps explain why she gets sick of it and breaks eventually.

I don’t think failing to use a boat around the Gap was a contrivance. He might not have known exactly how bad the jungle is, might not know how to navigate a boat around in open water (harder than down a river). Paraguay is landlocked. And boating is not without its own dangers.

[Anonymous]

The phone message has ceased being funny to me primarily because it's wasting time during the show. Get on with it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The phone message has ceased being funny to me primarily because it's wasting time during the show. Get on with it!

. I want to scream at my TV - if you can have anything, tell them to skip the damn long message!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The phone message has ceased being funny to me primarily because it's wasting time during the show. Get on with it!

. I want to scream at my TV - if you can have anything, tell them to skip the damn long message!

I think the point of that is to show that she keeps listening because it’s the only piece of a “live” person that she has. But yes, I was fast forwarding through the message. I can’t take it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My husband correctly pointed out that they're not consistent. If the collective becomes violently ill/injured/dies when she yells at them, or if they all cry when one of them (Zosia) is sad, then they would all have been affected by the drug she gave Zosia. But they weren't.

They don’t share one body or nervous system. When one dies or gets injured they don’t all suffer.

And yet when someone yells at one of them, they all get violently ill and/or die. So it’s not consistent at all.

Have not finished the thread but my feeling is that it has something to do with her incomplete joining. And it is why they are so desperate to keep them happy despite not having any other clear motivation to help the survivors. They don't need them, they lose people all the time within the hive and seem apathetic to it, they aren't going around serving animals, but they go to great lengths to attempt to impose calm happiness on these twelve people. Perhaps they ARE joined in some way, not fully integrated into the hive mind and controlled by the hive mind but still connected to the web via their DNA connection. So in that way large painful emotions felt by those outside the hive can impact the group through its connection while all the people in the hive are being controlled by the forced 'peaceful oneness'.

And they do explain the drugs Zosia explains that she can get drunk but not everyone will before Carol tries the drugs, its what gives her the idea.

Love the AI parable thoughts I had not thought of that. Although I refuse to use any AI much to the amusement of people who know me so perhaps I hope I would be the Carol in this situation!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband correctly pointed out that they're not consistent. If the collective becomes violently ill/injured/dies when she yells at them, or if they all cry when one of them (Zosia) is sad, then they would all have been affected by the drug she gave Zosia. But they weren't.

They don’t share one body or nervous system. When one dies or gets injured they don’t all suffer.

And yet when someone yells at one of them, they all get violently ill and/or die. So it’s not consistent at all.

Have not finished the thread but my feeling is that it has something to do with her incomplete joining. And it is why they are so desperate to keep them happy despite not having any other clear motivation to help the survivors. They don't need them, they lose people all the time within the hive and seem apathetic to it, they aren't going around serving animals, but they go to great lengths to attempt to impose calm happiness on these twelve people. Perhaps they ARE joined in some way, not fully integrated into the hive mind and controlled by the hive mind but still connected to the web via their DNA connection. So in that way large painful emotions felt by those outside the hive can impact the group through its connection while all the people in the hive are being controlled by the forced 'peaceful oneness'.

And they do explain the drugs Zosia explains that she can get drunk but not everyone will before Carol tries the drugs, its what gives her the idea.

This is really intriguing and I think there's something to this if this show continues beyond Season 1. I can see it wrapping up with one season and being more of a metaphor on life, loneliness, connection, community. Or spinning it our for three or more seasons with something like the above, or aliens, etc.

Love the AI parable thoughts I had not thought of that. Although I refuse to use any AI much to the amusement of people who know me so perhaps I hope I would be the Carol in this situation!

[Anonymous]

I wonder what the meal was that Carol requested and was served at the fancy restaurant? I have to think at least one dish had meat in it - so how was it made if they can't kill anything?