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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if when Carol and Zosia are having sex, is the entire hive right there with them, thinking their thoughts? Doesn't seem like there would be much privacy in a relationship with one of the hive.

In that vein, is Zosia really attracted to Carol or is she just going along with it as her "chaperone"? I'm so confused about their relationship, especially when none of the other hive member have relationships with one another.

I'm also very curious about what Manousos discovered with the radio frequency and how it helps to calm the hive when they have their seizures. He seems extraordinarily intelligent.

This was the point of the whole introduction with the indigenous girl. They surrounded her with love and affection and performed their rituals to make her feel as if those things are still part of them and the second she joined they all stopped, packed up, and left.

They are good at and intentionally manipulating the survivors into joining.

Zosia is the full history of humanity’s knowledge on how to manipulate someone. They clearly have no qualms about misleading even if they can’t lie

Did Carol ask if the love was real? Lies of omission seem to be fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if when Carol and Zosia are having sex, is the entire hive right there with them, thinking their thoughts? Doesn't seem like there would be much privacy in a relationship with one of the hive.

In that vein, is Zosia really attracted to Carol or is she just going along with it as her "chaperone"? I'm so confused about their relationship, especially when none of the other hive member have relationships with one another.

I'm also very curious about what Manousos discovered with the radio frequency and how it helps to calm the hive when they have their seizures. He seems extraordinarily intelligent.

This was the point of the whole introduction with the indigenous girl. They surrounded her with love and affection and performed their rituals to make her feel as if those things are still part of them and the second she joined they all stopped, packed up, and left.

They are good at and intentionally manipulating the survivors into joining.

Zosia is the full history of humanity’s knowledge on how to manipulate someone. They clearly have no qualms about misleading even if they can’t lie

Did Carol ask if the love was real? Lies of omission seem to be fine.

Carol knows it’s not real. Her relationship with Zosia is her compromise against being totally alone. She had made peace with that until she realized they’d still convert her if they can.

[Anonymous]

I also don't understand why Carol can't simply demand her eggs back and tell them to stop working to extract her stem cells.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if when Carol and Zosia are having sex, is the entire hive right there with them, thinking their thoughts? Doesn't seem like there would be much privacy in a relationship with one of the hive.

In that vein, is Zosia really attracted to Carol or is she just going along with it as her "chaperone"? I'm so confused about their relationship, especially when none of the other hive member have relationships with one another.

I'm also very curious about what Manousos discovered with the radio frequency and how it helps to calm the hive when they have their seizures. He seems extraordinarily intelligent.

This was the point of the whole introduction with the indigenous girl. They surrounded her with love and affection and performed their rituals to make her feel as if those things are still part of them and the second she joined they all stopped, packed up, and left.

They are good at and intentionally manipulating the survivors into joining.

Zosia is the full history of humanity’s knowledge on how to manipulate someone. They clearly have no qualms about misleading even if they can’t lie

Did Carol ask if the love was real? Lies of omission seem to be fine.

Carol knows it’s not real. Her relationship with Zosia is her compromise against being totally alone. She had made peace with that until she realized they’d still convert her if they can.

Yeah it’s almost like a very sophisticated sex doll. I think zodia would say they do love carol (because they love everything) and it makes them happy to make her happy. But it’s not love in the way we usually use it, meaning a particular feeling for a particular person that is based on their particular individual aspects.
If you can be with the one you love…..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also don't understand why Carol can't simply demand her eggs back and tell them to stop working to extract her stem cells.

It’s assumed they must try to make her join, so that’s the one request they won’t agree to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also don't understand why Carol can't simply demand her eggs back and tell them to stop working to extract her stem cells.

I was watching a podcast and the person posited that the reason is that because they can’t inflict pain, they can’t do a stem cell extraction with needles without consent, but since these eggs were already extracted there was no pain involved so they didn’t need consent.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, I haven't read through the thread. Only watched one ep, and not into it. Should I keep going?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also don't understand why Carol can't simply demand her eggs back and tell them to stop working to extract her stem cells.

I was watching a podcast and the person posited that the reason is that because they can’t inflict pain, they can’t do a stem cell extraction with needles without consent, but since these eggs were already extracted there was no pain involved so they didn’t need consent.

Yes, but they're also supposed to do anything she asks of them - so she could certainly tell them to return her eggs and stop the process of extracting her stem cells.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I haven't read through the thread. Only watched one ep, and not into it. Should I keep going?

The first ep wasn't particularly compelling, but it's also not representative of the rest of the season. So you could give it a second or third episode. That said, the whole show moves pretty slowly--they could have compressed it into six episodes IMO. So if you can't deal with a slow pace (you're watching in bed and always fall asleep after 10 mins), then it's not for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I haven't read through the thread. Only watched one ep, and not into it. Should I keep going?

Do what you need. I am not a sci fi person but I am a huge fan of VG so I have been watching.

[Anonymous]

DH and I are wondering where all the pets are. There was one dog in the gym camp. We keep saying that Carol should find a bunch of dogs for companionship.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if Carol is a Christ allegory. There's 12 others, besides Carol, who haven't been converted. In a sort of reversal, she's trying to unconvert the masses to save them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if Carol is a Christ allegory. There's 12 others, besides Carol, who haven't been converted. In a sort of reversal, she's trying to unconvert the masses to save them.

Omg this is an interesting theory!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I haven't read through the thread. Only watched one ep, and not into it. Should I keep going?

The first ep wasn't particularly compelling, but it's also not representative of the rest of the season. So you could give it a second or third episode. That said, the whole show moves pretty slowly--they could have compressed it into six episodes IMO. So if you can't deal with a slow pace (you're watching in bed and always fall asleep after 10 mins), then it's not for you.

+1. I wasn’t interested in the first episode, but the show changes a lot after that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if Carol is a Christ allegory. There's 12 others, besides Carol, who haven't been converted. In a sort of reversal, she's trying to unconvert the masses to save them.

Apparently Manousos is a translation of Emmanuel, which is one of the names for Jesus. (Sorry if I butchered any spellings or theology, I’m not Christian and just read this on the Pluribus forums, ha)