New when will furloughed feds go back to work guesses

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Anonymous wrote:So, tsp loans and interest free loans from credit unions are an option. Also introductory 0% credit cards can help you float through. I saw this coming a year ago, and am sad that I’ve been proven right. We made some adjustments and have cash to weather this but the decisions we made have had consequences. This is such a stupid waste. Just give the Dems what they want on the ACA, it’s popular! Pair it with something republicans want and move on.

Can you get a TSP loan if you’re furloughed? I looked at the website yesterday and it seems like you can’t.

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems are being short sighted, because what is really going on is that Congress is losing the power of the purse. Long term, this is going to be a much bigger issue than ACA subsidies. Dem think they are pushing back against OMB but really they are giving the Executive Branch more power.

The CR gives trump unlimited power essentially.

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Anonymous wrote:Refusing to pay the military is a bad look for Dems. And I say this as a Dem.

Dems aren’t “not paying military”.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do you see the betting odds? Personally, I want and need to get back to work. I am going to start writing my Democrat senators and ask them to please cave. It's over already. Evil won, just accept it.

I want and need to go back to work, but I don't want them to cave. If Dems cave, we probably don't get backpay (despite the law) and the layoffs and recisions will just increase. Meanwhile, there is growing pressure on Republicans to resolve this.

There's no chance this ends before November, regardless - among other reasons, I think the White House wants a "record" duration.

News for you: layoffs and rescissions coming your way no matter what. What pressure do you think Rs are feeling? None.

DP. Trump is feeling no pressure, but the Rs in Congress are. See MTG’s comments today. You need to stop panicking. The Ds cannot give in on this.

I need to stop panicking? WTF? I cannot get another job, I have no other source of income. You people are nuts thinking everybody can sit around for months with no income.

I’m really sympathetic to loss of income, but any federal employee outside of DOD and DHS has known for almost a year that lost income was a likely possibility (history of shutdowns, DOGE, Vought etc). I took on two part time jobs to save extra in addition to cutting expenses. We are in for more hurt than this especially if Democrats cave. Better prepare now.

Most feds are two income families with children -- getting a part time job (let alone two) is wildly unrealistic until you are doing Uber Eats at the dead of night (ie trading wear & tear and fuel for below minimum wage income) or working on the weekends at some retail job, which is not going to move the needle here in any meaningful way.

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Anonymous wrote:So, tsp loans and interest free loans from credit unions are an option. Also introductory 0% credit cards can help you float through. I saw this coming a year ago, and am sad that I’ve been proven right. We made some adjustments and have cash to weather this but the decisions we made have had consequences. This is such a stupid waste. Just give the Dems what they want on the ACA, it’s popular! Pair it with something republicans want and move on.

Can you get a TSP loan if you’re furloughed? I looked at the website yesterday and it seems like you can’t.

I thought so but maybe I’m wrong on that. USAA is offering some interest free loans for furloughed feds.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do you see the betting odds? Personally, I want and need to get back to work. I am going to start writing my Democrat senators and ask them to please cave. It's over already. Evil won, just accept it.

I want and need to go back to work, but I don't want them to cave. If Dems cave, we probably don't get backpay (despite the law) and the layoffs and recisions will just increase. Meanwhile, there is growing pressure on Republicans to resolve this.

There's no chance this ends before November, regardless - among other reasons, I think the White House wants a "record" duration.

News for you: layoffs and rescissions coming your way no matter what. What pressure do you think Rs are feeling? None.

DP. Trump is feeling no pressure, but the Rs in Congress are. See MTG’s comments today. You need to stop panicking. The Ds cannot give in on this.

I need to stop panicking? WTF? I cannot get another job, I have no other source of income. You people are nuts thinking everybody can sit around for months with no income.

I’m really sympathetic to loss of income, but any federal employee outside of DOD and DHS has known for almost a year that lost income was a likely possibility (history of shutdowns, DOGE, Vought etc). I took on two part time jobs to save extra in addition to cutting expenses. We are in for more hurt than this especially if Democrats cave. Better prepare now.

Most feds are two income families with children -- getting a part time job (let alone two) is wildly unrealistic until you are doing Uber Eats at the dead of night (ie trading wear & tear and fuel for below minimum wage income) or working on the weekends at some retail job, which is not going to move the needle here in any meaningful way.

If someone is truly paycheck to paycheck I don't see why they would not have looked into one of the several banks/credit unions that offer interest free shutdown loans. Here is one example from USAA: https://www.usaa.com/support/government-shutdown-program/?akredirect=true

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Anonymous wrote:Where do you see the betting odds? Personally, I want and need to get back to work. I am going to start writing my Democrat senators and ask them to please cave. It's over already. Evil won, just accept it.

I want and need to go back to work, but I don't want them to cave. If Dems cave, we probably don't get backpay (despite the law) and the layoffs and recisions will just increase. Meanwhile, there is growing pressure on Republicans to resolve this.

There's no chance this ends before November, regardless - among other reasons, I think the White House wants a "record" duration.

News for you: layoffs and rescissions coming your way no matter what. What pressure do you think Rs are feeling? None.

DP. Trump is feeling no pressure, but the Rs in Congress are. See MTG’s comments today. You need to stop panicking. The Ds cannot give in on this.

I need to stop panicking? WTF? I cannot get another job, I have no other source of income. You people are nuts thinking everybody can sit around for months with no income.

I’m really sympathetic to loss of income, but any federal employee outside of DOD and DHS has known for almost a year that lost income was a likely possibility (history of shutdowns, DOGE, Vought etc). I took on two part time jobs to save extra in addition to cutting expenses. We are in for more hurt than this especially if Democrats cave. Better prepare now.

My husband and I both work in different fields related to administration priorities that are admittedly not as high as DHS or DOD, but there were hiring freeze exemptions and no RIFs in either of our offices. We are both of course excepted currently but not going to get paid on time. Personally, we are OK but I think there's some single income families in each of our offices struggling.

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Anonymous wrote:In a shock to no one, the cloture vote failed for the 11th time this evening.

Meanwhile, Thune says no negotiations until a CR passes.

Betting odds as of an hour ago give a 68% chance to it lasting more than 30 days, 51% to it lasting more than 35 days.

From tomorrow’s schedule it appears to me that they convene at 10am and there is no vote on cloture for the CR scheduled as of now. So that means at earliest, we go back Thursday if they vote on Wednesday and it somehow moves forward on its 12th vote…

I’m hoping by Nov 4, but think it’s seeming more and more likely this drags through Thanksgiving.

Take this with a grain of salt because it's third hand, but people working with our IC agency leadership are saying through November. I think this is likely.

Personally, I think they are going to pass the NDAA separately.

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Anonymous wrote:In a shock to no one, the cloture vote failed for the 11th time this evening.

Meanwhile, Thune says no negotiations until a CR passes.

Betting odds as of an hour ago give a 68% chance to it lasting more than 30 days, 51% to it lasting more than 35 days.

From tomorrow’s schedule it appears to me that they convene at 10am and there is no vote on cloture for the CR scheduled as of now. So that means at earliest, we go back Thursday if they vote on Wednesday and it somehow moves forward on its 12th vote…

I’m hoping by Nov 4, but think it’s seeming more and more likely this drags through Thanksgiving.

Take this with a grain of salt because it's third hand, but people working with our IC agency leadership are saying through November. I think this is likely.

Personally, I think they are going to pass the NDAA separately.

I don't see how agency leadership would have any visibility into this. It's a political question that hinges on how the polling looks as far as who ends up caving so I don't think anyone can know what that will look like.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do you see the betting odds? Personally, I want and need to get back to work. I am going to start writing my Democrat senators and ask them to please cave. It's over already. Evil won, just accept it.

I want and need to go back to work, but I don't want them to cave. If Dems cave, we probably don't get backpay (despite the law) and the layoffs and recisions will just increase. Meanwhile, there is growing pressure on Republicans to resolve this.

There's no chance this ends before November, regardless - among other reasons, I think the White House wants a "record" duration.

News for you: layoffs and rescissions coming your way no matter what. What pressure do you think Rs are feeling? None.

DP. Trump is feeling no pressure, but the Rs in Congress are. See MTG’s comments today. You need to stop panicking. The Ds cannot give in on this.

I need to stop panicking? WTF? I cannot get another job, I have no other source of income. You people are nuts thinking everybody can sit around for months with no income.

I’m really sympathetic to loss of income, but any federal employee outside of DOD and DHS has known for almost a year that lost income was a likely possibility (history of shutdowns, DOGE, Vought etc). I took on two part time jobs to save extra in addition to cutting expenses. We are in for more hurt than this especially if Democrats cave. Better prepare now.

Most feds are two income families with children -- getting a part time job (let alone two) is wildly unrealistic until you are doing Uber Eats at the dead of night (ie trading wear & tear and fuel for below minimum wage income) or working on the weekends at some retail job, which is not going to move the needle here in any meaningful way.

If someone is truly paycheck to paycheck I don't see why they would not have looked into one of the several banks/credit unions that offer interest free shutdown loans. Here is one example from USAA: https://www.usaa.com/support/government-shutdown-program/?akredirect=true

If I were in that situation I would be afraid of taking on the debt given how cute the administration is being about back pay. They need to knock it off. Service members can get these loans from USAA, and I don’t think anyone expects them to not get paid back—civilians might be more uncertain.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans should exercise the nuclear option and reopen the government without Democratic votes.

And the fact that they haven't done so tells you something, doesn't it? Thune is on the record explicitly ruling out the nuclear option because they know that somewhere down the road, it will come back to bite them.

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Anonymous wrote:So, tsp loans and interest free loans from credit unions are an option. Also introductory 0% credit cards can help you float through. I saw this coming a year ago, and am sad that I’ve been proven right. We made some adjustments and have cash to weather this but the decisions we made have had consequences. This is such a stupid waste. Just give the Dems what they want on the ACA, it’s popular! Pair it with something republicans want and move on.

Can you get a TSP loan if you’re furloughed? I looked at the website yesterday and it seems like you can’t.

The TSP website says you CAN get a loan. "The lapse in appropriations does not prevent you from requesting a new TSP loan."

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Do you understand it would take only 5 senators to change their vote to reopen government? There is no freaking way most people can hold out until Thanksgiving. I can't hold out until Halloween. Today we were sent a letter that we can use for to request extra time to pay rent or mortgage. That's a joke. Banks are not interested in your stupid letter.

Call your members of Congress - because Kaine, Warner, and Walkinshaw are still spouting the line that federal workers support the shutdown. I can tell you categorically I never support any shutdown, ever.

Republicans can end this any time. They’re not even coming to the table.

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Do you understand it would take only 5 senators to change their vote to reopen government? There is no freaking way most people can hold out until Thanksgiving. I can't hold out until Halloween. Today we were sent a letter that we can use for to request extra time to pay rent or mortgage. That's a joke. Banks are not interested in your stupid letter.

Call your members of Congress - because Kaine, Warner, and Walkinshaw are still spouting the line that federal workers support the shutdown. I can tell you categorically I never support any shutdown, ever.

Republicans can end this any time. They’re not even coming to the table.

Because the GOP doesn't not want the government to reopen, I would say this may last throughout November.

Traffic isn't getting any better even, because many feds are being made to work without paying right now.

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Anonymous wrote:So, tsp loans and interest free loans from credit unions are an option. Also introductory 0% credit cards can help you float through. I saw this coming a year ago, and am sad that I’ve been proven right. We made some adjustments and have cash to weather this but the decisions we made have had consequences. This is such a stupid waste. Just give the Dems what they want on the ACA, it’s popular! Pair it with something republicans want and move on.

Can you get a TSP loan if you’re furloughed? I looked at the website yesterday and it seems like you can’t.

The TSP website says you CAN get a loan. "The lapse in appropriations does not prevent you from requesting a new TSP loan."

“Requesting” being the operative word. It also says you have to be in pay status.