Final UK undergrad ranking is out as if last night (The Times)

[Anonymous]

Not sure if there was a question there.

Growing up in London, the last thing my kids wanted was to go to uni in London. They wanted to experience something different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Londoner family here. I don’t think anybody who knows and understands UK unis would be surprised. Outside of Imperial and LSE (as they are STEM heavy and Business/Fin/Econ heavy) that attract kids directly outside of Oxbridge, most Oxbridge rejects end up at either Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, Bath, Exeter unless you want London, then UCL.

we have 3 kids. None of them wanted to stay in London. Didn’t even include one London uni in their 5 UCAS choices.

My 3rd one is applying now. My first two kids had these 5 unis in UCAS. One applied to Econ/Management programs, the other one to History/Politics/IR

1. Oxford/Cambridge (one picked O the other her C)
2. St Andrews
3. Durham
4. Warwick
5. Exeter/Bristol

Where did your first two ended up? And where does your 3rd one want to apply to?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]Not sure if there was a question there.

Growing up in London, the last thing my kids wanted was to go to uni in London. They wanted to experience something different.[/quote]
Like what? London is practically the only part of the UK that remains successful and isn’t having economic issues. What weird creature wants to go to nothing to do Durham over London?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Not sure if there was a question there.

Growing up in London, the last thing my kids wanted was to go to uni in London. They wanted to experience something different.[/quote]
Like what? London is practically the only part of the UK that remains successful and isn’t having economic issues. What weird creature wants to go to nothing to do Durham over London?[/quote]

I guess you are just being a jackass for the sake of being a jackass. My kids grew up in London. Central London. They can get that anytime they want. Their whole family is London. Don’t be an ass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Londoner family here. I don’t think anybody who knows and understands UK unis would be surprised. Outside of Imperial and LSE (as they are STEM heavy and Business/Fin/Econ heavy) that attract kids directly outside of Oxbridge, most Oxbridge rejects end up at either Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, Bath, Exeter unless you want London, then UCL.

we have 3 kids. None of them wanted to stay in London. Didn’t even include one London uni in their 5 UCAS choices.

My 3rd one is applying now. My first two kids had these 5 unis in UCAS. One applied to Econ/Management programs, the other one to History/Politics/IR

1. Oxford/Cambridge (one picked O the other her C)
2. St Andrews
3. Durham
4. Warwick
5. Exeter/Bristol

Where did your first two ended up? And where does your 3rd one want to apply to?

My 1st one went to Oxford, my 2nd one to St Andrews.
3rd one is also applying to US unis. But given the price it is either Ivy/Stanford/MIT or he will stay in the UK. He is looking at Business Mgmt programs and Econ programs although he also likes History.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Not sure if there was a question there.

Growing up in London, the last thing my kids wanted was to go to uni in London. They wanted to experience something different.[/quote]
Like what? London is practically the only part of the UK that remains successful and isn’t having economic issues. What weird creature wants to go to nothing to do Durham over London?[/quote]

I guess you are just being a jackass for the sake of being a jackass. My kids grew up in London. Central London. They can get that anytime they want. Their whole family is London. Don’t be an ass.[/quote]

I grew up in NYC and then London, went to university in the North of England. Parents lived in London which was easily accessible at all times, why would i have wanted to go to college there? I lived there after college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Londoner family here. I don’t think anybody who knows and understands UK unis would be surprised. Outside of Imperial and LSE (as they are STEM heavy and Business/Fin/Econ heavy) that attract kids directly outside of Oxbridge, most Oxbridge rejects end up at either Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, Bath, Exeter unless you want London, then UCL.

we have 3 kids. None of them wanted to stay in London. Didn’t even include one London uni in their 5 UCAS choices.

My 3rd one is applying now. My first two kids had these 5 unis in UCAS. One applied to Econ/Management programs, the other one to History/Politics/IR

1. Oxford/Cambridge (one picked O the other her C)
2. St Andrews
3. Durham
4. Warwick
5. Exeter/Bristol

Where did your first two ended up? And where does your 3rd one want to apply to?

My 1st one went to Oxford, my 2nd one to St Andrews.
3rd one is also applying to US unis. But given the price it is either Ivy/Stanford/MIT or he will stay in the UK. He is looking at Business Mgmt programs and Econ programs although he also likes History.

If your 3rd kid didnt get in their top choice (Oxbridge I guess), but was accepted to an Ivy like Cornell (amazing business program) or Wharton without merit aid, how would you justify paying $100k per year vs £9k per year for Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, etc?

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Anonymous wrote:Londoner family here. I don’t think anybody who knows and understands UK unis would be surprised. Outside of Imperial and LSE (as they are STEM heavy and Business/Fin/Econ heavy) that attract kids directly outside of Oxbridge, most Oxbridge rejects end up at either Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, Bath, Exeter unless you want London, then UCL.

we have 3 kids. None of them wanted to stay in London. Didn’t even include one London uni in their 5 UCAS choices.

My 3rd one is applying now. My first two kids had these 5 unis in UCAS. One applied to Econ/Management programs, the other one to History/Politics/IR

1. Oxford/Cambridge (one picked O the other her C)
2. St Andrews
3. Durham
4. Warwick
5. Exeter/Bristol

Where did your first two ended up? And where does your 3rd one want to apply to?

My 1st one went to Oxford, my 2nd one to St Andrews.
3rd one is also applying to US unis. But given the price it is either Ivy/Stanford/MIT or he will stay in the UK. He is looking at Business Mgmt programs and Econ programs although he also likes History.

If your 3rd kid didnt get in their top choice (Oxbridge I guess), but was accepted to an Ivy like Cornell (amazing business program) or Wharton without merit aid, how would you justify paying $100k per year vs £9k per year for Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, etc?

Do Ivies even give merit aid? To foreigners?

[Anonymous]

No Ivy League gives Merit Aid. Unless it is a specific scholarship. They all are either need blind or need aware.

Either way, if you from the UK and applying to Ivies, you better make under $150k a year to get an kind of significant need based aid as a foreigner. And even then, unless your income is less than 60 tr 80k then you might as well use the UK system at £9.3k per year….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Londoner family here. I don’t think anybody who knows and understands UK unis would be surprised. Outside of Imperial and LSE (as they are STEM heavy and Business/Fin/Econ heavy) that attract kids directly outside of Oxbridge, most Oxbridge rejects end up at either Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, Bath, Exeter unless you want London, then UCL.

we have 3 kids. None of them wanted to stay in London. Didn’t even include one London uni in their 5 UCAS choices.

My 3rd one is applying now. My first two kids had these 5 unis in UCAS. One applied to Econ/Management programs, the other one to History/Politics/IR

1. Oxford/Cambridge (one picked O the other her C)
2. St Andrews
3. Durham
4. Warwick
5. Exeter/Bristol

Where did your first two ended up? And where does your 3rd one want to apply to?

My 1st one went to Oxford, my 2nd one to St Andrews.
3rd one is also applying to US unis. But given the price it is either Ivy/Stanford/MIT or he will stay in the UK. He is looking at Business Mgmt programs and Econ programs although he also likes History.

If your 3rd kid didnt get in their top choice (Oxbridge I guess), but was accepted to an Ivy like Cornell (amazing business program) or Wharton without merit aid, how would you justify paying $100k per year vs £9k per year for Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, etc?

I’m not sure if we would qualify for any need based aid unfortunately. But if my son do not get in Oxford, for us to agree to let my son go to the US vs attending Durham, St Andrews or Warwick, it would have to be Princeton, MIT or Stanford. And even then, my husband might not agree if there is no aid.

[Anonymous]

I know you guys take A levels. But has he taken SAT or ACT? How did he do?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Londoner family here. I don’t think anybody who knows and understands UK unis would be surprised. Outside of Imperial and LSE (as they are STEM heavy and Business/Fin/Econ heavy) that attract kids directly outside of Oxbridge, most Oxbridge rejects end up at either Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, Bath, Exeter unless you want London, then UCL.

we have 3 kids. None of them wanted to stay in London. Didn’t even include one London uni in their 5 UCAS choices.

My 3rd one is applying now. My first two kids had these 5 unis in UCAS. One applied to Econ/Management programs, the other one to History/Politics/IR

1. Oxford/Cambridge (one picked O the other her C)
2. St Andrews
3. Durham
4. Warwick
5. Exeter/Bristol

Where did your first two ended up? And where does your 3rd one want to apply to?

My 1st one went to Oxford, my 2nd one to St Andrews.
3rd one is also applying to US unis. But given the price it is either Ivy/Stanford/MIT or he will stay in the UK. He is looking at Business Mgmt programs and Econ programs although he also likes History.

If your 3rd kid didnt get in their top choice (Oxbridge I guess), but was accepted to an Ivy like Cornell (amazing business program) or Wharton without merit aid, how would you justify paying $100k per year vs £9k per year for Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, etc?

I’m not sure if we would qualify for any need based aid unfortunately. But if my son do not get in Oxford, for us to agree to let my son go to the US vs attending Durham, St Andrews or Warwick, it would have to be Princeton, MIT or Stanford. And even then, my husband might not agree if there is no aid.

Curious. Would your expectations of his career choice (if you indeed have them or feel they are relevant) change depending which path he goes down? Would you be okay with him pursuing a career in say the FCO, BoE or BBC, with its limited remuneration prospects, in either case? Or do you feel the high cost of a US college degree should compel him to pursue more lucrative opportunities?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Londoner family here. I don’t think anybody who knows and understands UK unis would be surprised. Outside of Imperial and LSE (as they are STEM heavy and Business/Fin/Econ heavy) that attract kids directly outside of Oxbridge, most Oxbridge rejects end up at either Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, Bath, Exeter unless you want London, then UCL.

we have 3 kids. None of them wanted to stay in London. Didn’t even include one London uni in their 5 UCAS choices.

My 3rd one is applying now. My first two kids had these 5 unis in UCAS. One applied to Econ/Management programs, the other one to History/Politics/IR

1. Oxford/Cambridge (one picked O the other her C)
2. St Andrews
3. Durham
4. Warwick
5. Exeter/Bristol

Where did your first two ended up? And where does your 3rd one want to apply to?

My 1st one went to Oxford, my 2nd one to St Andrews.
3rd one is also applying to US unis. But given the price it is either Ivy/Stanford/MIT or he will stay in the UK. He is looking at Business Mgmt programs and Econ programs although he also likes History.

If your 3rd kid didnt get in their top choice (Oxbridge I guess), but was accepted to an Ivy like Cornell (amazing business program) or Wharton without merit aid, how would you justify paying $100k per year vs £9k per year for Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, etc?

I’m not sure if we would qualify for any need based aid unfortunately. But if my son do not get in Oxford, for us to agree to let my son go to the US vs attending Durham, St Andrews or Warwick, it would have to be Princeton, MIT or Stanford. And even then, my husband might not agree if there is no aid.

Curious. Would your expectations of his career choice (if you indeed have them or feel they are relevant) change depending which path he goes down? Would you be okay with him pursuing a career in say the FCO, BoE or BBC, with its limited remuneration prospects, in either case? Or do you feel the high cost of a US college degree should compel him to pursue more lucrative opportunities?

BBC pays a number of its employees - though not all - very well indeed. UK civil service also has a visibly better compensation package - including a final salary pension scheme - than US civil service does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Londoner family here. I don’t think anybody who knows and understands UK unis would be surprised. Outside of Imperial and LSE (as they are STEM heavy and Business/Fin/Econ heavy) that attract kids directly outside of Oxbridge, most Oxbridge rejects end up at either Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, Bath, Exeter unless you want London, then UCL.

we have 3 kids. None of them wanted to stay in London. Didn’t even include one London uni in their 5 UCAS choices.

My 3rd one is applying now. My first two kids had these 5 unis in UCAS. One applied to Econ/Management programs, the other one to History/Politics/IR

1. Oxford/Cambridge (one picked O the other her C)
2. St Andrews
3. Durham
4. Warwick
5. Exeter/Bristol

Where did your first two ended up? And where does your 3rd one want to apply to?

My 1st one went to Oxford, my 2nd one to St Andrews.
3rd one is also applying to US unis. But given the price it is either Ivy/Stanford/MIT or he will stay in the UK. He is looking at Business Mgmt programs and Econ programs although he also likes History.

If your 3rd kid didnt get in their top choice (Oxbridge I guess), but was accepted to an Ivy like Cornell (amazing business program) or Wharton without merit aid, how would you justify paying $100k per year vs £9k per year for Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, etc?

I’m not sure if we would qualify for any need based aid unfortunately. But if my son do not get in Oxford, for us to agree to let my son go to the US vs attending Durham, St Andrews or Warwick, it would have to be Princeton, MIT or Stanford. And even then, my husband might not agree if there is no aid.

Curious. Would your expectations of his career choice (if you indeed have them or feel they are relevant) change depending which path he goes down? Would you be okay with him pursuing a career in say the FCO, BoE or BBC, with its limited remuneration prospects, in either case? Or do you feel the high cost of a US college degree should compel him to pursue more lucrative opportunities?

BBC pays a number of its employees - though not all - very well indeed. UK civil service also has a visibly better compensation package - including a final salary pension scheme - than US civil service does.

Sorry but you’re missing the point.

We’re not talking about Fiona Bruce or Nick Robinson. The fast majority of BBC employees are not being paid particularly well.

A graduate entering the UK govt Fast Stream takes home about £25,000 net of tax per year and, if they’re in London, they’re probably paying £12,000 a year in rent. They have to make do with that for 3 to 5 years before they can start moving up the hierarchy. It’s one thing to choose that course if you have paid tuition fees of £40-50,000. It’s another if you’ve paid US college fees. There have been no final salary pensions offered to anyone joining since 2007

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Londoner family here. I don’t think anybody who knows and understands UK unis would be surprised. Outside of Imperial and LSE (as they are STEM heavy and Business/Fin/Econ heavy) that attract kids directly outside of Oxbridge, most Oxbridge rejects end up at either Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, Bath, Exeter unless you want London, then UCL.

we have 3 kids. None of them wanted to stay in London. Didn’t even include one London uni in their 5 UCAS choices.

My 3rd one is applying now. My first two kids had these 5 unis in UCAS. One applied to Econ/Management programs, the other one to History/Politics/IR

1. Oxford/Cambridge (one picked O the other her C)
2. St Andrews
3. Durham
4. Warwick
5. Exeter/Bristol

Where did your first two ended up? And where does your 3rd one want to apply to?

My 1st one went to Oxford, my 2nd one to St Andrews.
3rd one is also applying to US unis. But given the price it is either Ivy/Stanford/MIT or he will stay in the UK. He is looking at Business Mgmt programs and Econ programs although he also likes History.

If your 3rd kid didnt get in their top choice (Oxbridge I guess), but was accepted to an Ivy like Cornell (amazing business program) or Wharton without merit aid, how would you justify paying $100k per year vs £9k per year for Durham, St Andrews, Warwick, etc?

Do Ivies even give merit aid? To foreigners?

No merit aid to anyone. But very generous financial aid to anyone making below mid six figures.