TJ gpa for UVA, VTech?

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Anonymous wrote:I hear there are many TJ kids going to Mason. What gpa do they need for uva or vtech?

Here are the stats from Naviance for TJ (and it does not break it down by major, gender, etc. - just the average stats for admission):

UVA: wGPA: 4.48 SAT 1553
VaTech: wGPA: 4.36 SAT 1537

thank you. people do not understand how high the gpas are at TJ and that you compete against the others in your high school first, not just for uva but for any school. Sure TJ gets in "more" and you can be "only" top third and get in but when you are in the TJ peer group being top third is very difficult. better to stay at the home school and be the only kid with a 1550 and top of the class and have a shot at ivies than grind at TJ only to get shut out of UVA.

I despise when TJ parents think their above avg or avg TJ kid would absolutely be at the top of their base school.

I have had one kid in base HS and one at TJ. Any TJ kid who is in the top half of the class would absolutely be in the top 5% at any of base FCPS HS.

The rigor, grading, content and expectations are significantly higher at TJ. At base HS, it was at most 30 minutes of effort at home per week to get an A and that is often close to 100% of total points due to bonus points on tests, etc.

My kid struggled with the rigor at TJ and would've been absolutely fantastic at base, top 5% then comfortably get into UVA. Instead the mental torture and agony was too much for all of us, with the hit on GPA, ending up getting into a school that ends up being bottom safety for TJ kids. That said, fast forward 4 years of college was a breeze with all the tough courses, and now sitting pretty with job offers from 3 top tier companies in senior year. DC was saying it's like getting admission from Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. This would not have happened if not for TJ and the peer group acquired from there. They stuck together, helped, pushed, and motivated each other, without possibly saying anything. It's been a long 8 years, although if the ultimate goal is landing on a career with the top employers in STEM, then TJ has worked out. I am sure base HS would also be okay, however, the peer group is something when you connect with the right friends at TJ.

Good grief.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter, 4.51, 34 ACT, rejected by UVA, accepted by U Chicago and WASP, humanities major

Her friend, average GPA, 1550 SAT, legacy, rejected by UVA, accepted by Georgetown, CS major

Another friend, 4.3ish GPA, 1560 GPA, rejected at UVA, accepted by Cornell, engineering

They all are well rounded kids with spectacular EC achievements.

Genuine question. Would any of the above mentioned be attending UVA if accepted? My own super high stats daughter with excellent and long term ECs, NMF, etc. applied ED to UVA. Didn’t want to chance it and didn’t want her parents to pay 90k+ for private. We are full pay. She’s a practical kid. Accepted as an Echols Scholar. Going into her second year and is happy as a clam. The great resources, opportunities, professors, etc. are beyond plentiful.

If you love UVA, apply ED.

One of them applied ED. Still…

Hard to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter, 4.51, 34 ACT, rejected by UVA, accepted by U Chicago and WASP, humanities major

Her friend, average GPA, 1550 SAT, legacy, rejected by UVA, accepted by Georgetown, CS major

Another friend, 4.3ish GPA, 1560 GPA, rejected at UVA, accepted by Cornell, engineering

They all are well rounded kids with spectacular EC achievements.

Genuine question. Would any of the above mentioned be attending UVA if accepted? My own super high stats daughter with excellent and long term ECs, NMF, etc. applied ED to UVA. Didn’t want to chance it and didn’t want her parents to pay 90k+ for private. We are full pay. She’s a practical kid. Accepted as an Echols Scholar. Going into her second year and is happy as a clam. The great resources, opportunities, professors, etc. are beyond plentiful.

If you love UVA, apply ED.

Maybe they did? It seems like a no-brainer to me. I am surprised more people don’t do it.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear there are many TJ kids going to Mason. What gpa do they need for uva or vtech?

Here are the stats from Naviance for TJ (and it does not break it down by major, gender, etc. - just the average stats for admission):

UVA: wGPA: 4.48 SAT 1553
VaTech: wGPA: 4.36 SAT 1537

thank you. people do not understand how high the gpas are at TJ and that you compete against the others in your high school first, not just for uva but for any school. Sure TJ gets in "more" and you can be "only" top third and get in but when you are in the TJ peer group being top third is very difficult. better to stay at the home school and be the only kid with a 1550 and top of the class and have a shot at ivies than grind at TJ only to get shut out of UVA.

I despise when TJ parents think their above avg or avg TJ kid would absolutely be at the top of their base school.

I have had one kid in base HS and one at TJ. Any TJ kid who is in the top half of the class would absolutely be in the top 5% at any of base FCPS HS.

The rigor, grading, content and expectations are significantly higher at TJ. At base HS, it was at most 30 minutes of effort at home per week to get an A and that is often close to 100% of total points due to bonus points on tests, etc.

I don’t disagree that any average TJ kid would be at the top 5% of a base HS. However, my Langley kid with full load of AP classes does not spend only 30 min of effort for an A. That is just rude and insulting. My kid would have been TJ material. He wasn’t interested and we didn’t push him.

Sorry, did not mean it that way. Of course not every class is going to be like that. Some of the AP classes do take up a lot more effort at any HS.

My kid did not get into TJ in 9th grade. At base HS, even with taking 2 AP classes, I honestly do not remember child spending even anytime at all on school work. Only once in a while would there be 20-30 minutes of work. I was shocked but grade report for half the classes is showing 99 or even over 100 out of 100. On the positive side spent a lot of time on EC's.

One of base HS teachers offered to write a LOR and encouraged child to apply to TJ. Child got in and at TJ, the rigor was quite significant. Had to spend 1-2 hours each day on homework in total during weekdays and 5-6 hours on weekends. The contrast with base HS is really stark.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear there are many TJ kids going to Mason. What gpa do they need for uva or vtech?

Here are the stats from Naviance for TJ (and it does not break it down by major, gender, etc. - just the average stats for admission):

UVA: wGPA: 4.48 SAT 1553
VaTech: wGPA: 4.36 SAT 1537

thank you. people do not understand how high the gpas are at TJ and that you compete against the others in your high school first, not just for uva but for any school. Sure TJ gets in "more" and you can be "only" top third and get in but when you are in the TJ peer group being top third is very difficult. better to stay at the home school and be the only kid with a 1550 and top of the class and have a shot at ivies than grind at TJ only to get shut out of UVA.

I despise when TJ parents think their above avg or avg TJ kid would absolutely be at the top of their base school.

I have had one kid in base HS and one at TJ. Any TJ kid who is in the top half of the class would absolutely be in the top 5% at any of base FCPS HS.

The rigor, grading, content and expectations are significantly higher at TJ. At base HS, it was at most 30 minutes of effort at home per week to get an A and that is often close to 100% of total points due to bonus points on tests, etc.

I don’t disagree that any average TJ kid would be at the top 5% of a base HS. However, my Langley kid with full load of AP classes does not spend only 30 min of effort for an A. That is just rude and insulting. My kid would have been TJ material. He wasn’t interested and we didn’t push him.

Sorry, did not mean it that way. Of course not every class is going to be like that. Some of the AP classes do take up a lot more effort at any HS.

My kid did not get into TJ in 9th grade. At base HS, even with taking 2 AP classes, I honestly do not remember child spending even anytime at all on school work. Only once in a while would there be 20-30 minutes of work. I was shocked but grade report for half the classes is showing 99 or even over 100 out of 100. On the positive side spent a lot of time on EC's.

One of base HS teachers offered to write a LOR and encouraged child to apply to TJ. Child got in and at TJ, the rigor was quite significant. Had to spend 1-2 hours each day on homework in total during weekdays and 5-6 hours on weekends. The contrast with base HS is really stark.

Fcps grade reports don’t show 99s or 100s. They are letter grades.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hear there are many TJ kids going to Mason. What gpa do they need for uva or vtech?

Here are the stats from Naviance for TJ (and it does not break it down by major, gender, etc. - just the average stats for admission):

UVA: wGPA: 4.48 SAT 1553
VaTech: wGPA: 4.36 SAT 1537

thank you. people do not understand how high the gpas are at TJ and that you compete against the others in your high school first, not just for uva but for any school. Sure TJ gets in "more" and you can be "only" top third and get in but when you are in the TJ peer group being top third is very difficult. better to stay at the home school and be the only kid with a 1550 and top of the class and have a shot at ivies than grind at TJ only to get shut out of UVA.

I despise when TJ parents think their above avg or avg TJ kid would absolutely be at the top of their base school.

I have had one kid in base HS and one at TJ. Any TJ kid who is in the top half of the class would absolutely be in the top 5% at any of base FCPS HS.

The rigor, grading, content and expectations are significantly higher at TJ. At base HS, it was at most 30 minutes of effort at home per week to get an A and that is often close to 100% of total points due to bonus points on tests, etc.

My kid struggled with the rigor at TJ and would've been absolutely fantastic at base, top 5% then comfortably get into UVA. Instead the mental torture and agony was too much for all of us, with the hit on GPA, ending up getting into a school that ends up being bottom safety for TJ kids. That said, fast forward 4 years of college was a breeze with all the tough courses, and now sitting pretty with job offers from 3 top tier companies in senior year. DC was saying it's like getting admission from Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. This would not have happened if not for TJ and the peer group acquired from there. They stuck together, helped, pushed, and motivated each other, without possibly saying anything. It's been a long 8 years, although if the ultimate goal is landing on a career with the top employers in STEM, then TJ has worked out. I am sure base HS would also be okay, however, the peer group is something when you connect with the right friends at TJ.

OMG. This is truly hilarious.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA EA in-state acceptance rate is around 30% ... if your kid is not in the top 30% of their high school ... ain't getting in. weighted 4.32 is kind of low.

That doesn’t seem accurate. You’re extrapolating incorrectly.

DP here. Seems accurate to me. If your kid isn’t in the top 30% at TJ or top 10-15% at another VA high school, you are not getting into UVA.

If you are not fcps and different system, I’m sure that 4.3 gpa would be higher but at TJ, that seems low for a top school.

At UVA orientation this year, the Director of Admissions said that more than 90% of students entering in the Class of 2029 were in the top 10% of their high school class.

Admissions doesn’t attend orientation so that didn’t happen.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hear there are many TJ kids going to Mason. What gpa do they need for uva or vtech?

Here are the stats from Naviance for TJ (and it does not break it down by major, gender, etc. - just the average stats for admission):

UVA: wGPA: 4.48 SAT 1553
VaTech: wGPA: 4.36 SAT 1537

thank you. people do not understand how high the gpas are at TJ and that you compete against the others in your high school first, not just for uva but for any school. Sure TJ gets in "more" and you can be "only" top third and get in but when you are in the TJ peer group being top third is very difficult. better to stay at the home school and be the only kid with a 1550 and top of the class and have a shot at ivies than grind at TJ only to get shut out of UVA.

I despise when TJ parents think their above avg or avg TJ kid would absolutely be at the top of their base school.

I have had one kid in base HS and one at TJ. Any TJ kid who is in the top half of the class would absolutely be in the top 5% at any of base FCPS HS.

The rigor, grading, content and expectations are significantly higher at TJ. At base HS, it was at most 30 minutes of effort at home per week to get an A and that is often close to 100% of total points due to bonus points on tests, etc.

I don’t disagree that any average TJ kid would be at the top 5% of a base HS. However, my Langley kid with full load of AP classes does not spend only 30 min of effort for an A. That is just rude and insulting. My kid would have been TJ material. He wasn’t interested and we didn’t push him.

Sorry, did not mean it that way. Of course not every class is going to be like that. Some of the AP classes do take up a lot more effort at any HS.

My kid did not get into TJ in 9th grade. At base HS, even with taking 2 AP classes, I honestly do not remember child spending even anytime at all on school work. Only once in a while would there be 20-30 minutes of work. I was shocked but grade report for half the classes is showing 99 or even over 100 out of 100. On the positive side spent a lot of time on EC's.

One of base HS teachers offered to write a LOR and encouraged child to apply to TJ. Child got in and at TJ, the rigor was quite significant. Had to spend 1-2 hours each day on homework in total during weekdays and 5-6 hours on weekends. The contrast with base HS is really stark.

Fcps grade reports don’t show 99s or 100s. They are letter grades.

I know that. I am talking about the progress report that you can view in ParentVUE that shows the score.

[Anonymous]

TJ is really hard. Only the ones with ‘natural’ smarts should go here.

rest all just struggle

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hear there are many TJ kids going to Mason. What gpa do they need for uva or vtech?

Here are the stats from Naviance for TJ (and it does not break it down by major, gender, etc. - just the average stats for admission):

UVA: wGPA: 4.48 SAT 1553
VaTech: wGPA: 4.36 SAT 1537

thank you. people do not understand how high the gpas are at TJ and that you compete against the others in your high school first, not just for uva but for any school. Sure TJ gets in "more" and you can be "only" top third and get in but when you are in the TJ peer group being top third is very difficult. better to stay at the home school and be the only kid with a 1550 and top of the class and have a shot at ivies than grind at TJ only to get shut out of UVA.

I despise when TJ parents think their above avg or avg TJ kid would absolutely be at the top of their base school.

I have had one kid in base HS and one at TJ. Any TJ kid who is in the top half of the class would absolutely be in the top 5% at any of base FCPS HS.

The rigor, grading, content and expectations are significantly higher at TJ. At base HS, it was at most 30 minutes of effort at home per week to get an A and that is often close to 100% of total points due to bonus points on tests, etc.

I don’t disagree that any average TJ kid would be at the top 5% of a base HS. However, my Langley kid with full load of AP classes does not spend only 30 min of effort for an A. That is just rude and insulting. My kid would have been TJ material. He wasn’t interested and we didn’t push him.

Sorry, did not mean it that way. Of course not every class is going to be like that. Some of the AP classes do take up a lot more effort at any HS.

My kid did not get into TJ in 9th grade. At base HS, even with taking 2 AP classes, I honestly do not remember child spending even anytime at all on school work. Only once in a while would there be 20-30 minutes of work. I was shocked but grade report for half the classes is showing 99 or even over 100 out of 100. On the positive side spent a lot of time on EC's.

One of base HS teachers offered to write a LOR and encouraged child to apply to TJ. Child got in and at TJ, the rigor was quite significant. Had to spend 1-2 hours each day on homework in total during weekdays and 5-6 hours on weekends. The contrast with base HS is really stark.

Fcps grade reports don’t show 99s or 100s. They are letter grades.

I know that. I am talking about the progress report that you can view in ParentVUE that shows the score.

Your kid being an underclassman and upperclassman also comr into play. My junior at Langley just spent a few hours studying for his first quiz today. He has all AP classes.

I expect my freshman won’t be studying much. He said he finished his assignment at school.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear there are many TJ kids going to Mason. What gpa do they need for uva or vtech?

Here are the stats from Naviance for TJ (and it does not break it down by major, gender, etc. - just the average stats for admission):

UVA: wGPA: 4.48 SAT 1553
VaTech: wGPA: 4.36 SAT 1537

thank you. people do not understand how high the gpas are at TJ and that you compete against the others in your high school first, not just for uva but for any school. Sure TJ gets in "more" and you can be "only" top third and get in but when you are in the TJ peer group being top third is very difficult. better to stay at the home school and be the only kid with a 1550 and top of the class and have a shot at ivies than grind at TJ only to get shut out of UVA.

I despise when TJ parents think their above avg or avg TJ kid would absolutely be at the top of their base school.

I have had one kid in base HS and one at TJ. Any TJ kid who is in the top half of the class would absolutely be in the top 5% at any of base FCPS HS.

The rigor, grading, content and expectations are significantly higher at TJ. At base HS, it was at most 30 minutes of effort at home per week to get an A and that is often close to 100% of total points due to bonus points on tests, etc.

My kid struggled with the rigor at TJ and would've been absolutely fantastic at base, top 5% then comfortably get into UVA. Instead the mental torture and agony was too much for all of us, with the hit on GPA, ending up getting into a school that ends up being bottom safety for TJ kids. That said, fast forward 4 years of college was a breeze with all the tough courses, and now sitting pretty with job offers from 3 top tier companies in senior year. DC was saying it's like getting admission from Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. This would not have happened if not for TJ and the peer group acquired from there. They stuck together, helped, pushed, and motivated each other, without possibly saying anything. It's been a long 8 years, although if the ultimate goal is landing on a career with the top employers in STEM, then TJ has worked out. I am sure base HS would also be okay, however, the peer group is something when you connect with the right friends at TJ.

OMG. This is truly hilarious.

You find it hilarious having multiple offers of $200K+ base salary, plus joining bonus, performance bonus, and RSUs, straight out of college, because TJ rigor helped paved way later in life

Okay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ is really hard. Only the ones with ‘natural’ smarts should go here.

rest all just struggle

Natural smarts ... hmm how do you identify that in ES/MS? all the kids who get into TJ are smart, you only find after the fact whether someone will excel at top 10%, 25%, 50%, or bottom half. Some cheat too, does that count as 'smarts'? Then some others do not know how to cheat, does that count as not 'smart'?

There is a lot in between, TJ is hard, it comes down to mental maturity of the kids to handle it before they have the college level age maturity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is really hard. Only the ones with ‘natural’ smarts should go here.

rest all just struggle

Natural smarts ... hmm how do you identify that in ES/MS? all the kids who get into TJ are smart, you only find after the fact whether someone will excel at top 10%, 25%, 50%, or bottom half. Some cheat too, does that count as 'smarts'? Then some others do not know how to cheat, does that count as not 'smart'?

There is a lot in between, TJ is hard, it comes down to mental maturity of the kids to handle it before they have the college level age maturity.

PP here: A standardized test like the PSAT.

My kid is currently a senior at TJ.

Doing ok. But reports that a good 25% to 30% of his class regularly bombs core courses like M4, Physics Honors.

And there are kids who take AP Physics C in Sophomore year and land up with C’s.

[Anonymous]

This 100%

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Anonymous wrote:UVA EA in-state acceptance rate is around 30% ... if your kid is not in the top 30% of their high school ... ain't getting in. weighted 4.32 is kind of low.

That doesn’t seem accurate. You’re extrapolating incorrectly.

DP here. Seems accurate to me. If your kid isn’t in the top 30% at TJ or top 10-15% at another VA high school, you are not getting into UVA.

If you are not fcps and different system, I’m sure that 4.3 gpa would be higher but at TJ, that seems low for a top school.

At UVA orientation this year, the Director of Admissions said that more than 90% of students entering in the Class of 2029 were in the top 10% of their high school class.

Admissions doesn’t attend orientation so that didn’t happen.

Yes they do.