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Anonymous wrote:This thread was about Eastern trying to improve and people basically immediately saying they'd never send their kids because of test scores and then slowly starting to say also there are other reasons, like fit.

So I mean it, what can Eastern do to prove to higher SES parents to stay. It's apparently not getting a seasoned principal, or building out IB, so what is it? I am sincerely asking. I think there are a lot of HSs and MSs in DC that would love to keep their IB populations but truly struggle with how to balance a culture of people jumping ship even before kids get to MS and HS for WOTP while serving the students that do matriculate.

Honestly, with the economy going the way it is, Eastern may not have to do much. More and more feeder families will not be able to afford moving or private school, and will be unlucky in the lottery. I know several families with a high SES who are at Eliot Hine simply because they lost the lottery. These families will likely continue to Eastern, because they’ve liked the EH experience, don’t want to move, and know its hard to get a seat at Walls/Banneker/DCI/Latin for HS.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread was about Eastern trying to improve and people basically immediately saying they'd never send their kids because of test scores and then slowly starting to say also there are other reasons, like fit.

So I mean it, what can Eastern do to prove to higher SES parents to stay. It's apparently not getting a seasoned principal, or building out IB, so what is it? I am sincerely asking. I think there are a lot of HSs and MSs in DC that would love to keep their IB populations but truly struggle with how to balance a culture of people jumping ship even before kids get to MS and HS for WOTP while serving the students that do matriculate.

Honestly, with the economy going the way it is, Eastern may not have to do much. More and more feeder families will not be able to afford moving or private school, and will be unlucky in the lottery. I know several families with a high SES who are at Eliot Hine simply because they lost the lottery. These families will likely continue to Eastern, because they’ve liked the EH experience, don’t want to move, and know its hard to get a seat at Walls/Banneker/DCI/Latin for HS.

Sending your kid to EH is totally different than sending your kid to Eastern. There's a big drop off in in in-boundary enrollment numbers. There are other options than those four other schools, especially because by high school, the kids can get themselves wherever.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread was about Eastern trying to improve and people basically immediately saying they'd never send their kids because of test scores and then slowly starting to say also there are other reasons, like fit.

So I mean it, what can Eastern do to prove to higher SES parents to stay. It's apparently not getting a seasoned principal, or building out IB, so what is it? I am sincerely asking. I think there are a lot of HSs and MSs in DC that would love to keep their IB populations but truly struggle with how to balance a culture of people jumping ship even before kids get to MS and HS for WOTP while serving the students that do matriculate.

Honestly, with the economy going the way it is, Eastern may not have to do much. More and more feeder families will not be able to afford moving or private school, and will be unlucky in the lottery. I know several families with a high SES who are at Eliot Hine simply because they lost the lottery. These families will likely continue to Eastern, because they’ve liked the EH experience, don’t want to move, and know its hard to get a seat at Walls/Banneker/DCI/Latin for HS.

Sending your kid to EH is totally different than sending your kid to Eastern. There's a big drop off in in in-boundary enrollment numbers. There are other options than those four other schools, especially because by high school, the kids can get themselves wherever.

Yes but the question was why and how to change that. PP's response makes some sense. People who can no longer afford to move or to pay private may start investing more in MS and subsequently HS.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread was about Eastern trying to improve and people basically immediately saying they'd never send their kids because of test scores and then slowly starting to say also there are other reasons, like fit.

So I mean it, what can Eastern do to prove to higher SES parents to stay. It's apparently not getting a seasoned principal, or building out IB, so what is it? I am sincerely asking. I think there are a lot of HSs and MSs in DC that would love to keep their IB populations but truly struggle with how to balance a culture of people jumping ship even before kids get to MS and HS for WOTP while serving the students that do matriculate.

Honestly, with the economy going the way it is, Eastern may not have to do much. More and more feeder families will not be able to afford moving or private school, and will be unlucky in the lottery. I know several families with a high SES who are at Eliot Hine simply because they lost the lottery. These families will likely continue to Eastern, because they’ve liked the EH experience, don’t want to move, and know its hard to get a seat at Walls/Banneker/DCI/Latin for HS.

Sending your kid to EH is totally different than sending your kid to Eastern. There's a big drop off in in in-boundary enrollment numbers. There are other options than those four other schools, especially because by high school, the kids can get themselves wherever.

Yes but the question was why and how to change that. PP's response makes some sense. People who can no longer afford to move or to pay private may start investing more in MS and subsequently HS.

Look at the enrollment data. Most students who are zoned for Eastern don't go there, and that excludes the private school kids (and obviously the ones who moved away.) It is very easy to avoid your neighborhood high school in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread was about Eastern trying to improve and people basically immediately saying they'd never send their kids because of test scores and then slowly starting to say also there are other reasons, like fit.

So I mean it, what can Eastern do to prove to higher SES parents to stay. It's apparently not getting a seasoned principal, or building out IB, so what is it? I am sincerely asking. I think there are a lot of HSs and MSs in DC that would love to keep their IB populations but truly struggle with how to balance a culture of people jumping ship even before kids get to MS and HS for WOTP while serving the students that do matriculate.

Honestly, with the economy going the way it is, Eastern may not have to do much. More and more feeder families will not be able to afford moving or private school, and will be unlucky in the lottery. I know several families with a high SES who are at Eliot Hine simply because they lost the lottery. These families will likely continue to Eastern, because they’ve liked the EH experience, don’t want to move, and know its hard to get a seat at Walls/Banneker/DCI/Latin for HS.

Sending your kid to EH is totally different than sending your kid to Eastern. There's a big drop off in in in-boundary enrollment numbers. There are other options than those four other schools, especially because by high school, the kids can get themselves wherever.

Yes but the question was why and how to change that. PP's response makes some sense. People who can no longer afford to move or to pay private may start investing more in MS and subsequently HS.

Look at the enrollment data. Most students who are zoned for Eastern don't go there, and that excludes the private school kids (and obviously the ones who moved away.) It is very easy to avoid your neighborhood high school in DC.

This has come up in threads about other schools/feeder patterns over the past 1-2 years. If you look closely at enrollment patterns and trends in the last 5-10 years, as well as general numbers related to number of kids at certain age bands in the public schools, there are notable changes/patterns even in a short time period. Both can be true, that most kids in a boundary don't go to a certain school, but that it is more/different than it was in recent years. If I have learned anything the last 10 years in DCPS and the last 20 years living in the city, is that looking at historical data about schools, neighborhoods, etc. can only take you so far.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread was about Eastern trying to improve and people basically immediately saying they'd never send their kids because of test scores and then slowly starting to say also there are other reasons, like fit.

So I mean it, what can Eastern do to prove to higher SES parents to stay. It's apparently not getting a seasoned principal, or building out IB, so what is it? I am sincerely asking. I think there are a lot of HSs and MSs in DC that would love to keep their IB populations but truly struggle with how to balance a culture of people jumping ship even before kids get to MS and HS for WOTP while serving the students that do matriculate.

Honestly, with the economy going the way it is, Eastern may not have to do much. More and more feeder families will not be able to afford moving or private school, and will be unlucky in the lottery. I know several families with a high SES who are at Eliot Hine simply because they lost the lottery. These families will likely continue to Eastern, because they’ve liked the EH experience, don’t want to move, and know its hard to get a seat at Walls/Banneker/DCI/Latin for HS.

Sending your kid to EH is totally different than sending your kid to Eastern. There's a big drop off in in in-boundary enrollment numbers. There are other options than those four other schools, especially because by high school, the kids can get themselves wherever.

Yes but the question was why and how to change that. PP's response makes some sense. People who can no longer afford to move or to pay private may start investing more in MS and subsequently HS.

Look at the enrollment data. Most students who are zoned for Eastern don't go there, and that excludes the private school kids (and obviously the ones who moved away.) It is very easy to avoid your neighborhood high school in DC.

This has come up in threads about other schools/feeder patterns over the past 1-2 years. If you look closely at enrollment patterns and trends in the last 5-10 years, as well as general numbers related to number of kids at certain age bands in the public schools, there are notable changes/patterns even in a short time period. Both can be true, that most kids in a boundary don't go to a certain school, but that it is more/different than it was in recent years. If I have learned anything the last 10 years in DCPS and the last 20 years living in the city, is that looking at historical data about schools, neighborhoods, etc. can only take you so far.

More kids might enroll in Eastern. But the parents who were going to do private school or move are going to figure something else out.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread was about Eastern trying to improve and people basically immediately saying they'd never send their kids because of test scores and then slowly starting to say also there are other reasons, like fit.

So I mean it, what can Eastern do to prove to higher SES parents to stay. It's apparently not getting a seasoned principal, or building out IB, so what is it? I am sincerely asking. I think there are a lot of HSs and MSs in DC that would love to keep their IB populations but truly struggle with how to balance a culture of people jumping ship even before kids get to MS and HS for WOTP while serving the students that do matriculate.

Honestly, with the economy going the way it is, Eastern may not have to do much. More and more feeder families will not be able to afford moving or private school, and will be unlucky in the lottery. I know several families with a high SES who are at Eliot Hine simply because they lost the lottery. These families will likely continue to Eastern, because they’ve liked the EH experience, don’t want to move, and know its hard to get a seat at Walls/Banneker/DCI/Latin for HS.

Sending your kid to EH is totally different than sending your kid to Eastern. There's a big drop off in in in-boundary enrollment numbers. There are other options than those four other schools, especially because by high school, the kids can get themselves wherever.

Yes but the question was why and how to change that. PP's response makes some sense. People who can no longer afford to move or to pay private may start investing more in MS and subsequently HS.

Look at the enrollment data. Most students who are zoned for Eastern don't go there, and that excludes the private school kids (and obviously the ones who moved away.) It is very easy to avoid your neighborhood high school in DC.

This has come up in threads about other schools/feeder patterns over the past 1-2 years. If you look closely at enrollment patterns and trends in the last 5-10 years, as well as general numbers related to number of kids at certain age bands in the public schools, there are notable changes/patterns even in a short time period. Both can be true, that most kids in a boundary don't go to a certain school, but that it is more/different than it was in recent years. If I have learned anything the last 10 years in DCPS and the last 20 years living in the city, is that looking at historical data about schools, neighborhoods, etc. can only take you so far.

More kids might enroll in Eastern. But the parents who were going to do private school or move are going to figure something else out.

Right, I don’t think this thread is about those families.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would be way more transparent about admissions and performance of the IB program. Maybe it's great! But there are numbers that exist that could be easily used to show this, if it's actually the case.

Well, clearly it's not great if 1% of the kids are passing the math CAPE. But yes, more information would be lovely.

If the 1% is the IB program students, then that’s fine. Your kid will be in the group of kids that are actually learning.

Not all the time. They will still take electives and participate in clubs and other ECs with the 99% of kids who are below grade level. Really think about what that means, to be in a school environment where the vast majority of students are struggling to meet minimum academic standards. Think how small and limited this will make your child's experience, how limiting it will be in terms of friendships, what it will look like for your kid post HS when so few peers pursue college, when many don't even graduate.

Some families don't have much choice of whether to send their kids to a school like that. But in DC people have a choice. And most parents who really value education will continue to not choose Eastern simply because they want more and better for their kids.

I mean … my kid is at a feeder MS for Eastern and I am aware of all of the considerations for his academic needs. But you sound really gross when you write off the less affluent and yes, Black kids, as being basically worthless. I can tell you that my kid is friends with kids of all types and some of those kids you see and worthless have been bright stars for his life. And he has learned to work with and understand all different types of people. I know you’ll claim I am a bad SJW parent but moving him to an all-white affluent school woule be a huge loss in many respects.

NP. You need to get help. No one is saying black kids are worthless. No one. All middle schools in the city are diverse and have black kids, some more than other.

Some kids don’t have options and have to take what life gives them and that is the lower SES kids is what PP is saying.

But as a parent, most with options will not send them to such a poorly performing school just because there of more diversity. They just are not. It’s not like kids at other schools are not friends with minority kids and can get the same experience either.

Also PP above is absolutely correct. The experience of your kid will be very different with friends who can’t relate to things, friends who can’t do things, etc….

The reason they won't send them though is because they don't want to interact with lower SES families and then the domino effect happens because almost all UMC families, who do have resources to help the school, leave.

Mann's PTO can literally fund teachers. Lots of Title 1 schools PTOs can maybe afford a couple pizza parties.

The education follows the money, not, as plenty here want to believe, the money follows the education. And you know that because your last sentence is literally we only want to be around other people with money.

When you are talking to parents that have their kids at an Eastern feeder for MS, to remotely suggest they don't want their kids at a school with Black or lower SES kids is laughable. This attitude is what drives people out of DCPS entirely. It's like when my coworkers with kids in the Whitman pyramid lecture me for being concerned about the lack of tracking in DCPS MSes outside of math and (sometimes) ELA. GTFO.

I actually said nothing about race. But the OP pretty blatantly said other kids "can't relate" so yes there's a clear SES issue at play at a lot of schools like Eastern. As higher SES kids leave, parents get gun shy about being the only ones left and that sets off a mad dash of higher performing kids.

I'm not saying Eastern is perfect, but there's absolutely SES prisoner's dilemma that happens at more diverse socioeconomic schools. There are whole threads on here about how terrible the J-R principal is and the drug problems at Hardy and MacArthur. And yet UMC families in other feeders are Hunger Games style lotterying for spots because since they're in predominantly wealthy areas there's the assumption that you'll always have a pipeline of UMC and wealthy kids and families and thus test scores won't drop and kids will have peer hobbies.

I'm not judging people who are weary of other DCPS HSs I'm simply stating that there is obviously an underlying SES impact at play here and causes issues for both families and the schools themselves.

In your zeal to burnish your woketastic credentials you've gone and said the quiet part out loud and exposed yourself as a hypocrite. Low SES is not the same thing as low performing. And black is not the same thing as low performing. Ironically YOU and your brethren here on DCUM make that argument not the people you are slinging arrows at.

You know who else won't send their kids to Eastern? Parents of high achieving black kids and parents of high achieving lol SES kids. I guess they are racist and classist too?

I want my kid to be in a large cohort of kids with college and professional job expectations. Don't care how rich they are or what color they are. The only people in this discussion arguing we should be cognizant of race or SES over performance is you.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would be way more transparent about admissions and performance of the IB program. Maybe it's great! But there are numbers that exist that could be easily used to show this, if it's actually the case.

Well, clearly it's not great if 1% of the kids are passing the math CAPE. But yes, more information would be lovely.

If the 1% is the IB program students, then that’s fine. Your kid will be in the group of kids that are actually learning.

Not all the time. They will still take electives and participate in clubs and other ECs with the 99% of kids who are below grade level. Really think about what that means, to be in a school environment where the vast majority of students are struggling to meet minimum academic standards. Think how small and limited this will make your child's experience, how limiting it will be in terms of friendships, what it will look like for your kid post HS when so few peers pursue college, when many don't even graduate.

Some families don't have much choice of whether to send their kids to a school like that. But in DC people have a choice. And most parents who really value education will continue to not choose Eastern simply because they want more and better for their kids.

I mean … my kid is at a feeder MS for Eastern and I am aware of all of the considerations for his academic needs. But you sound really gross when you write off the less affluent and yes, Black kids, as being basically worthless. I can tell you that my kid is friends with kids of all types and some of those kids you see and worthless have been bright stars for his life. And he has learned to work with and understand all different types of people. I know you’ll claim I am a bad SJW parent but moving him to an all-white affluent school woule be a huge loss in many respects.

NP. You need to get help. No one is saying black kids are worthless. No one. All middle schools in the city are diverse and have black kids, some more than other.

Some kids don’t have options and have to take what life gives them and that is the lower SES kids is what PP is saying.

But as a parent, most with options will not send them to such a poorly performing school just because there of more diversity. They just are not. It’s not like kids at other schools are not friends with minority kids and can get the same experience either.

Also PP above is absolutely correct. The experience of your kid will be very different with friends who can’t relate to things, friends who can’t do things, etc….

The reason they won't send them though is because they don't want to interact with lower SES families and then the domino effect happens because almost all UMC families, who do have resources to help the school, leave.

Mann's PTO can literally fund teachers. Lots of Title 1 schools PTOs can maybe afford a couple pizza parties.

The education follows the money, not, as plenty here want to believe, the money follows the education. And you know that because your last sentence is literally we only want to be around other people with money.

When you are talking to parents that have their kids at an Eastern feeder for MS, to remotely suggest they don't want their kids at a school with Black or lower SES kids is laughable. This attitude is what drives people out of DCPS entirely. It's like when my coworkers with kids in the Whitman pyramid lecture me for being concerned about the lack of tracking in DCPS MSes outside of math and (sometimes) ELA. GTFO.

I actually said nothing about race. But the OP pretty blatantly said other kids "can't relate" so yes there's a clear SES issue at play at a lot of schools like Eastern. As higher SES kids leave, parents get gun shy about being the only ones left and that sets off a mad dash of higher performing kids.

I'm not saying Eastern is perfect, but there's absolutely SES prisoner's dilemma that happens at more diverse socioeconomic schools. There are whole threads on here about how terrible the J-R principal is and the drug problems at Hardy and MacArthur. And yet UMC families in other feeders are Hunger Games style lotterying for spots because since they're in predominantly wealthy areas there's the assumption that you'll always have a pipeline of UMC and wealthy kids and families and thus test scores won't drop and kids will have peer hobbies.

I'm not judging people who are weary of other DCPS HSs I'm simply stating that there is obviously an underlying SES impact at play here and causes issues for both families and the schools themselves.

In your zeal to burnish your woketastic credentials you've gone and said the quiet part out loud and exposed yourself as a hypocrite. Low SES is not the same thing as low performing. And black is not the same thing as low performing. Ironically YOU and your brethren here on DCUM make that argument not the people you are slinging arrows at.

You know who else won't send their kids to Eastern? Parents of high achieving black kids and parents of high achieving lol SES kids. I guess they are racist and classist too?

I want my kid to be in a large cohort of kids with college and professional job expectations. Don't care how rich they are or what color they are. The only people in this discussion arguing we should be cognizant of race or SES over performance is you.

Oh stuff it. we all know the PPs and you as well are equating black with low SES with uninterested in academics.

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Don’t waste your time in DCPS and just get out.

I was a FARMS minority kid, grew up in NJ, and parents didn’t have a clue about education. I was placed in G & T in 3rd and went from there.

It’s a race to the bottom in DCPS. The kids who lose out the most are the smart FARMS kids, the smart poor kids.

It’s not a race issue like some posters on here make it. Nope. It’s a total failure of the system to support and educate kids while maintaining high standards.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread was about Eastern trying to improve and people basically immediately saying they'd never send their kids because of test scores and then slowly starting to say also there are other reasons, like fit.

So I mean it, what can Eastern do to prove to higher SES parents to stay. It's apparently not getting a seasoned principal, or building out IB, so what is it? I am sincerely asking. I think there are a lot of HSs and MSs in DC that would love to keep their IB populations but truly struggle with how to balance a culture of people jumping ship even before kids get to MS and HS for WOTP while serving the students that do matriculate.

Honestly, with the economy going the way it is, Eastern may not have to do much. More and more feeder families will not be able to afford moving or private school, and will be unlucky in the lottery. I know several families with a high SES who are at Eliot Hine simply because they lost the lottery. These families will likely continue to Eastern, because they’ve liked the EH experience, don’t want to move, and know its hard to get a seat at Walls/Banneker/DCI/Latin for HS.

Sending your kid to EH is totally different than sending your kid to Eastern. There's a big drop off in in in-boundary enrollment numbers. There are other options than those four other schools, especially because by high school, the kids can get themselves wherever.

Yes but the question was why and how to change that. PP's response makes some sense. People who can no longer afford to move or to pay private may start investing more in MS and subsequently HS.

Look at the enrollment data. Most students who are zoned for Eastern don't go there, and that excludes the private school kids (and obviously the ones who moved away.) It is very easy to avoid your neighborhood high school in DC.

This has come up in threads about other schools/feeder patterns over the past 1-2 years. If you look closely at enrollment patterns and trends in the last 5-10 years, as well as general numbers related to number of kids at certain age bands in the public schools, there are notable changes/patterns even in a short time period. Both can be true, that most kids in a boundary don't go to a certain school, but that it is more/different than it was in recent years. If I have learned anything the last 10 years in DCPS and the last 20 years living in the city, is that looking at historical data about schools, neighborhoods, etc. can only take you so far.

More kids might enroll in Eastern. But the parents who were going to do private school or move are going to figure something else out.

Right, I don’t think this thread is about those families.

OK, so this is was in fact the claim being made: "Honestly, with the economy going the way it is, Eastern may not have to do much. More and more feeder families will not be able to afford moving or private school, and will be unlucky in the lottery."

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would be way more transparent about admissions and performance of the IB program. Maybe it's great! But there are numbers that exist that could be easily used to show this, if it's actually the case.

Well, clearly it's not great if 1% of the kids are passing the math CAPE. But yes, more information would be lovely.

If the 1% is the IB program students, then that’s fine. Your kid will be in the group of kids that are actually learning.

Not all the time. They will still take electives and participate in clubs and other ECs with the 99% of kids who are below grade level. Really think about what that means, to be in a school environment where the vast majority of students are struggling to meet minimum academic standards. Think how small and limited this will make your child's experience, how limiting it will be in terms of friendships, what it will look like for your kid post HS when so few peers pursue college, when many don't even graduate.

Some families don't have much choice of whether to send their kids to a school like that. But in DC people have a choice. And most parents who really value education will continue to not choose Eastern simply because they want more and better for their kids.

I mean … my kid is at a feeder MS for Eastern and I am aware of all of the considerations for his academic needs. But you sound really gross when you write off the less affluent and yes, Black kids, as being basically worthless. I can tell you that my kid is friends with kids of all types and some of those kids you see and worthless have been bright stars for his life. And he has learned to work with and understand all different types of people. I know you’ll claim I am a bad SJW parent but moving him to an all-white affluent school woule be a huge loss in many respects.

NP. You need to get help. No one is saying black kids are worthless. No one. All middle schools in the city are diverse and have black kids, some more than other.

Some kids don’t have options and have to take what life gives them and that is the lower SES kids is what PP is saying.

But as a parent, most with options will not send them to such a poorly performing school just because there of more diversity. They just are not. It’s not like kids at other schools are not friends with minority kids and can get the same experience either.

Also PP above is absolutely correct. The experience of your kid will be very different with friends who can’t relate to things, friends who can’t do things, etc….

The reason they won't send them though is because they don't want to interact with lower SES families and then the domino effect happens because almost all UMC families, who do have resources to help the school, leave.

Mann's PTO can literally fund teachers. Lots of Title 1 schools PTOs can maybe afford a couple pizza parties.

The education follows the money, not, as plenty here want to believe, the money follows the education. And you know that because your last sentence is literally we only want to be around other people with money.

When you are talking to parents that have their kids at an Eastern feeder for MS, to remotely suggest they don't want their kids at a school with Black or lower SES kids is laughable. This attitude is what drives people out of DCPS entirely. It's like when my coworkers with kids in the Whitman pyramid lecture me for being concerned about the lack of tracking in DCPS MSes outside of math and (sometimes) ELA. GTFO.

I actually said nothing about race. But the OP pretty blatantly said other kids "can't relate" so yes there's a clear SES issue at play at a lot of schools like Eastern. As higher SES kids leave, parents get gun shy about being the only ones left and that sets off a mad dash of higher performing kids.

I'm not saying Eastern is perfect, but there's absolutely SES prisoner's dilemma that happens at more diverse socioeconomic schools. There are whole threads on here about how terrible the J-R principal is and the drug problems at Hardy and MacArthur. And yet UMC families in other feeders are Hunger Games style lotterying for spots because since they're in predominantly wealthy areas there's the assumption that you'll always have a pipeline of UMC and wealthy kids and families and thus test scores won't drop and kids will have peer hobbies.

I'm not judging people who are weary of other DCPS HSs I'm simply stating that there is obviously an underlying SES impact at play here and causes issues for both families and the schools themselves.

In your zeal to burnish your woketastic credentials you've gone and said the quiet part out loud and exposed yourself as a hypocrite. Low SES is not the same thing as low performing. And black is not the same thing as low performing. Ironically YOU and your brethren here on DCUM make that argument not the people you are slinging arrows at.

You know who else won't send their kids to Eastern? Parents of high achieving black kids and parents of high achieving lol SES kids. I guess they are racist and classist too?

I want my kid to be in a large cohort of kids with college and professional job expectations. Don't care how rich they are or what color they are. The only people in this discussion arguing we should be cognizant of race or SES over performance is you.

Oh stuff it. we all know the PPs and you as well are equating black with low SES with uninterested in academics.

You are bringing your own implicit bias into this and confusing causation with correlation. Eastern's population is mostly uninterested in academics. It is also mostly back. I don't want my kid in an environment where almost all kids don't care about academics and are years behind grade level. Irrespective of race. The only person who can't separate those two things is you.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would be way more transparent about admissions and performance of the IB program. Maybe it's great! But there are numbers that exist that could be easily used to show this, if it's actually the case.

Well, clearly it's not great if 1% of the kids are passing the math CAPE. But yes, more information would be lovely.

If the 1% is the IB program students, then that’s fine. Your kid will be in the group of kids that are actually learning.

Not all the time. They will still take electives and participate in clubs and other ECs with the 99% of kids who are below grade level. Really think about what that means, to be in a school environment where the vast majority of students are struggling to meet minimum academic standards. Think how small and limited this will make your child's experience, how limiting it will be in terms of friendships, what it will look like for your kid post HS when so few peers pursue college, when many don't even graduate.

Some families don't have much choice of whether to send their kids to a school like that. But in DC people have a choice. And most parents who really value education will continue to not choose Eastern simply because they want more and better for their kids.

I mean … my kid is at a feeder MS for Eastern and I am aware of all of the considerations for his academic needs. But you sound really gross when you write off the less affluent and yes, Black kids, as being basically worthless. I can tell you that my kid is friends with kids of all types and some of those kids you see and worthless have been bright stars for his life. And he has learned to work with and understand all different types of people. I know you’ll claim I am a bad SJW parent but moving him to an all-white affluent school woule be a huge loss in many respects.

NP. You need to get help. No one is saying black kids are worthless. No one. All middle schools in the city are diverse and have black kids, some more than other.

Some kids don’t have options and have to take what life gives them and that is the lower SES kids is what PP is saying.

But as a parent, most with options will not send them to such a poorly performing school just because there of more diversity. They just are not. It’s not like kids at other schools are not friends with minority kids and can get the same experience either.

Also PP above is absolutely correct. The experience of your kid will be very different with friends who can’t relate to things, friends who can’t do things, etc….

The reason they won't send them though is because they don't want to interact with lower SES families and then the domino effect happens because almost all UMC families, who do have resources to help the school, leave.

Mann's PTO can literally fund teachers. Lots of Title 1 schools PTOs can maybe afford a couple pizza parties.

The education follows the money, not, as plenty here want to believe, the money follows the education. And you know that because your last sentence is literally we only want to be around other people with money.

When you are talking to parents that have their kids at an Eastern feeder for MS, to remotely suggest they don't want their kids at a school with Black or lower SES kids is laughable. This attitude is what drives people out of DCPS entirely. It's like when my coworkers with kids in the Whitman pyramid lecture me for being concerned about the lack of tracking in DCPS MSes outside of math and (sometimes) ELA. GTFO.

I actually said nothing about race. But the OP pretty blatantly said other kids "can't relate" so yes there's a clear SES issue at play at a lot of schools like Eastern. As higher SES kids leave, parents get gun shy about being the only ones left and that sets off a mad dash of higher performing kids.

I'm not saying Eastern is perfect, but there's absolutely SES prisoner's dilemma that happens at more diverse socioeconomic schools. There are whole threads on here about how terrible the J-R principal is and the drug problems at Hardy and MacArthur. And yet UMC families in other feeders are Hunger Games style lotterying for spots because since they're in predominantly wealthy areas there's the assumption that you'll always have a pipeline of UMC and wealthy kids and families and thus test scores won't drop and kids will have peer hobbies.

I'm not judging people who are weary of other DCPS HSs I'm simply stating that there is obviously an underlying SES impact at play here and causes issues for both families and the schools themselves.

In your zeal to burnish your woketastic credentials you've gone and said the quiet part out loud and exposed yourself as a hypocrite. Low SES is not the same thing as low performing. And black is not the same thing as low performing. Ironically YOU and your brethren here on DCUM make that argument not the people you are slinging arrows at.

You know who else won't send their kids to Eastern? Parents of high achieving black kids and parents of high achieving lol SES kids. I guess they are racist and classist too?

I want my kid to be in a large cohort of kids with college and professional job expectations. Don't care how rich they are or what color they are. The only people in this discussion arguing we should be cognizant of race or SES over performance is you.

Oh stuff it. we all know the PPs and you as well are equating black with low SES with uninterested in academics.

You are bringing your own implicit bias into this and confusing causation with correlation. Eastern's population is mostly uninterested in academics. It is also mostly back. I don't want my kid in an environment where almost all kids don't care about academics and are years behind grade level. Irrespective of race. The only person who can't separate those two things is you.

ask yourself why you feel the need to come here and enlighten us of those beliefs? Nobody asked you. We also know that if this was a thread about SH, EH, Hardy, McKinley, Banneker, JT or Macarthur, you would spout the same toxicity. there’s a certain type of parent who cannot tolerate the fact that not everyone runs away like they did/feel like they must do.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would be way more transparent about admissions and performance of the IB program. Maybe it's great! But there are numbers that exist that could be easily used to show this, if it's actually the case.

Well, clearly it's not great if 1% of the kids are passing the math CAPE. But yes, more information would be lovely.

If the 1% is the IB program students, then that’s fine. Your kid will be in the group of kids that are actually learning.

Not all the time. They will still take electives and participate in clubs and other ECs with the 99% of kids who are below grade level. Really think about what that means, to be in a school environment where the vast majority of students are struggling to meet minimum academic standards. Think how small and limited this will make your child's experience, how limiting it will be in terms of friendships, what it will look like for your kid post HS when so few peers pursue college, when many don't even graduate.

Some families don't have much choice of whether to send their kids to a school like that. But in DC people have a choice. And most parents who really value education will continue to not choose Eastern simply because they want more and better for their kids.

I mean … my kid is at a feeder MS for Eastern and I am aware of all of the considerations for his academic needs. But you sound really gross when you write off the less affluent and yes, Black kids, as being basically worthless. I can tell you that my kid is friends with kids of all types and some of those kids you see and worthless have been bright stars for his life. And he has learned to work with and understand all different types of people. I know you’ll claim I am a bad SJW parent but moving him to an all-white affluent school woule be a huge loss in many respects.

NP. You need to get help. No one is saying black kids are worthless. No one. All middle schools in the city are diverse and have black kids, some more than other.

Some kids don’t have options and have to take what life gives them and that is the lower SES kids is what PP is saying.

But as a parent, most with options will not send them to such a poorly performing school just because there of more diversity. They just are not. It’s not like kids at other schools are not friends with minority kids and can get the same experience either.

Also PP above is absolutely correct. The experience of your kid will be very different with friends who can’t relate to things, friends who can’t do things, etc….

The reason they won't send them though is because they don't want to interact with lower SES families and then the domino effect happens because almost all UMC families, who do have resources to help the school, leave.

Mann's PTO can literally fund teachers. Lots of Title 1 schools PTOs can maybe afford a couple pizza parties.

The education follows the money, not, as plenty here want to believe, the money follows the education. And you know that because your last sentence is literally we only want to be around other people with money.

When you are talking to parents that have their kids at an Eastern feeder for MS, to remotely suggest they don't want their kids at a school with Black or lower SES kids is laughable. This attitude is what drives people out of DCPS entirely. It's like when my coworkers with kids in the Whitman pyramid lecture me for being concerned about the lack of tracking in DCPS MSes outside of math and (sometimes) ELA. GTFO.

I actually said nothing about race. But the OP pretty blatantly said other kids "can't relate" so yes there's a clear SES issue at play at a lot of schools like Eastern. As higher SES kids leave, parents get gun shy about being the only ones left and that sets off a mad dash of higher performing kids.

I'm not saying Eastern is perfect, but there's absolutely SES prisoner's dilemma that happens at more diverse socioeconomic schools. There are whole threads on here about how terrible the J-R principal is and the drug problems at Hardy and MacArthur. And yet UMC families in other feeders are Hunger Games style lotterying for spots because since they're in predominantly wealthy areas there's the assumption that you'll always have a pipeline of UMC and wealthy kids and families and thus test scores won't drop and kids will have peer hobbies.

I'm not judging people who are weary of other DCPS HSs I'm simply stating that there is obviously an underlying SES impact at play here and causes issues for both families and the schools themselves.

In your zeal to burnish your woketastic credentials you've gone and said the quiet part out loud and exposed yourself as a hypocrite. Low SES is not the same thing as low performing. And black is not the same thing as low performing. Ironically YOU and your brethren here on DCUM make that argument not the people you are slinging arrows at.

You know who else won't send their kids to Eastern? Parents of high achieving black kids and parents of high achieving lol SES kids. I guess they are racist and classist too?

I want my kid to be in a large cohort of kids with college and professional job expectations. Don't care how rich they are or what color they are. The only people in this discussion arguing we should be cognizant of race or SES over performance is you.

Oh stuff it. we all know the PPs and you as well are equating black with low SES with uninterested in academics.

You are bringing your own implicit bias into this and confusing causation with correlation. Eastern's population is mostly uninterested in academics. It is also mostly back. I don't want my kid in an environment where almost all kids don't care about academics and are years behind grade level. Irrespective of race. The only person who can't separate those two things is you.

ask yourself why you feel the need to come here and enlighten us of those beliefs? Nobody asked you. We also know that if this was a thread about SH, EH, Hardy, McKinley, Banneker, JT or Macarthur, you would spout the same toxicity. there’s a certain type of parent who cannot tolerate the fact that not everyone runs away like they did/feel like they must do.

Please. PP is correct. Majority of kids don’t care about academics.

I suggest you read the truancy article posted. It’s incredible how many kids miss school and DCPS doesn’t do anything about it. Neither do some of the parents when someone at the school actually tries to call.

Above is also tied to increase juvenile crimes in the city BTW.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would be way more transparent about admissions and performance of the IB program. Maybe it's great! But there are numbers that exist that could be easily used to show this, if it's actually the case.

Well, clearly it's not great if 1% of the kids are passing the math CAPE. But yes, more information would be lovely.

If the 1% is the IB program students, then that’s fine. Your kid will be in the group of kids that are actually learning.

Not all the time. They will still take electives and participate in clubs and other ECs with the 99% of kids who are below grade level. Really think about what that means, to be in a school environment where the vast majority of students are struggling to meet minimum academic standards. Think how small and limited this will make your child's experience, how limiting it will be in terms of friendships, what it will look like for your kid post HS when so few peers pursue college, when many don't even graduate.

Some families don't have much choice of whether to send their kids to a school like that. But in DC people have a choice. And most parents who really value education will continue to not choose Eastern simply because they want more and better for their kids.

I mean … my kid is at a feeder MS for Eastern and I am aware of all of the considerations for his academic needs. But you sound really gross when you write off the less affluent and yes, Black kids, as being basically worthless. I can tell you that my kid is friends with kids of all types and some of those kids you see and worthless have been bright stars for his life. And he has learned to work with and understand all different types of people. I know you’ll claim I am a bad SJW parent but moving him to an all-white affluent school woule be a huge loss in many respects.

NP. You need to get help. No one is saying black kids are worthless. No one. All middle schools in the city are diverse and have black kids, some more than other.

Some kids don’t have options and have to take what life gives them and that is the lower SES kids is what PP is saying.

But as a parent, most with options will not send them to such a poorly performing school just because there of more diversity. They just are not. It’s not like kids at other schools are not friends with minority kids and can get the same experience either.

Also PP above is absolutely correct. The experience of your kid will be very different with friends who can’t relate to things, friends who can’t do things, etc….

The reason they won't send them though is because they don't want to interact with lower SES families and then the domino effect happens because almost all UMC families, who do have resources to help the school, leave.

Mann's PTO can literally fund teachers. Lots of Title 1 schools PTOs can maybe afford a couple pizza parties.

The education follows the money, not, as plenty here want to believe, the money follows the education. And you know that because your last sentence is literally we only want to be around other people with money.

When you are talking to parents that have their kids at an Eastern feeder for MS, to remotely suggest they don't want their kids at a school with Black or lower SES kids is laughable. This attitude is what drives people out of DCPS entirely. It's like when my coworkers with kids in the Whitman pyramid lecture me for being concerned about the lack of tracking in DCPS MSes outside of math and (sometimes) ELA. GTFO.

I actually said nothing about race. But the OP pretty blatantly said other kids "can't relate" so yes there's a clear SES issue at play at a lot of schools like Eastern. As higher SES kids leave, parents get gun shy about being the only ones left and that sets off a mad dash of higher performing kids.

I'm not saying Eastern is perfect, but there's absolutely SES prisoner's dilemma that happens at more diverse socioeconomic schools. There are whole threads on here about how terrible the J-R principal is and the drug problems at Hardy and MacArthur. And yet UMC families in other feeders are Hunger Games style lotterying for spots because since they're in predominantly wealthy areas there's the assumption that you'll always have a pipeline of UMC and wealthy kids and families and thus test scores won't drop and kids will have peer hobbies.

I'm not judging people who are weary of other DCPS HSs I'm simply stating that there is obviously an underlying SES impact at play here and causes issues for both families and the schools themselves.

In your zeal to burnish your woketastic credentials you've gone and said the quiet part out loud and exposed yourself as a hypocrite. Low SES is not the same thing as low performing. And black is not the same thing as low performing. Ironically YOU and your brethren here on DCUM make that argument not the people you are slinging arrows at.

You know who else won't send their kids to Eastern? Parents of high achieving black kids and parents of high achieving lol SES kids. I guess they are racist and classist too?

I want my kid to be in a large cohort of kids with college and professional job expectations. Don't care how rich they are or what color they are. The only people in this discussion arguing we should be cognizant of race or SES over performance is you.

Oh stuff it. we all know the PPs and you as well are equating black with low SES with uninterested in academics.

You are bringing your own implicit bias into this and confusing causation with correlation. Eastern's population is mostly uninterested in academics. It is also mostly back. I don't want my kid in an environment where almost all kids don't care about academics and are years behind grade level. Irrespective of race. The only person who can't separate those two things is you.

ask yourself why you feel the need to come here and enlighten us of those beliefs? Nobody asked you. We also know that if this was a thread about SH, EH, Hardy, McKinley, Banneker, JT or Macarthur, you would spout the same toxicity. there’s a certain type of parent who cannot tolerate the fact that not everyone runs away like they did/feel like they must do.

Please. PP is correct. Majority of kids don’t care about academics.

I suggest you read the truancy article posted. It’s incredible how many kids miss school and DCPS doesn’t do anything about it. Neither do some of the parents when someone at the school actually tries to call.

Above is also tied to increase juvenile crimes in the city BTW.

Ok. feel better now? ask yourself - I mean really ask yourself- why you feel the motivation to post this kind of stuff.