Serious effort to remove IB from FCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

It’s fine to like AP better but you don’t need to insult IB just because you are not a fan. Just like people who like IB don’t need to diss AP. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?

I’ve taught both AP and IB English. I prefer IB, and that’s where I placed my own child.

I’ve been listening to AP vs IB arguments for over a decade. I’ve noticed that most people against IB don’t have strong knowledge of the program.

We don't really need a program that results in 82.5% to 97.4% of the seniors at high schools within FCPS not getting a IB diploma, which is the original goal of IB at the high school level.

The IBO only started encouraging kids to take courses a la carte to generate more revenue when it became clear relatively few American students were interested in doing the full IB diploma "programme."

IB English produces writers. My own child wasn’t a diploma candidate, but her experience in IB courses turned her into a remarkably strong communicator.

There’s value in the classes, not just the program.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

It’s fine to like AP better but you don’t need to insult IB just because you are not a fan. Just like people who like IB don’t need to diss AP. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?

I’ve taught both AP and IB English. I prefer IB, and that’s where I placed my own child.

I’ve been listening to AP vs IB arguments for over a decade. I’ve noticed that most people against IB don’t have strong knowledge of the program.

We don't really need a program that results in 82.5% to 97.4% of the seniors at high schools within FCPS not getting a IB diploma, which is the original goal of IB at the high school level.

The IBO only started encouraging kids to take courses a la carte to generate more revenue when it became clear relatively few American students were interested in doing the full IB diploma "programme."

IB English produces writers. My own child wasn’t a diploma candidate, but her experience in IB courses turned her into a remarkably strong communicator.

There’s value in the classes, not just the program.

AP English classes require lots and lots of writing. So do AP History classes. IB does not have a monopoly on writing.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

It’s fine to like AP better but you don’t need to insult IB just because you are not a fan. Just like people who like IB don’t need to diss AP. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?

I’ve taught both AP and IB English. I prefer IB, and that’s where I placed my own child.

I’ve been listening to AP vs IB arguments for over a decade. I’ve noticed that most people against IB don’t have strong knowledge of the program.

We don't really need a program that results in 82.5% to 97.4% of the seniors at high schools within FCPS not getting a IB diploma, which is the original goal of IB at the high school level.

The IBO only started encouraging kids to take courses a la carte to generate more revenue when it became clear relatively few American students were interested in doing the full IB diploma "programme."

IB English produces writers. My own child wasn’t a diploma candidate, but her experience in IB courses turned her into a remarkably strong communicator.

There’s value in the classes, not just the program.

The goal of the IB diploma programme, or at least the original goal, is an IB diploma. The overwhelming majority of FCPS students in IB schools are not pursuing an IB diploma, and they could get just as valuable writing experience at lower cost to taxpayers in AP classes.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

It’s fine to like AP better but you don’t need to insult IB just because you are not a fan. Just like people who like IB don’t need to diss AP. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?

I’ve taught both AP and IB English. I prefer IB, and that’s where I placed my own child.

I’ve been listening to AP vs IB arguments for over a decade. I’ve noticed that most people against IB don’t have strong knowledge of the program.

We don't really need a program that results in 82.5% to 97.4% of the seniors at high schools within FCPS not getting a IB diploma, which is the original goal of IB at the high school level.

The IBO only started encouraging kids to take courses a la carte to generate more revenue when it became clear relatively few American students were interested in doing the full IB diploma "programme."

IB English produces writers. My own child wasn’t a diploma candidate, but her experience in IB courses turned her into a remarkably strong communicator.

There’s value in the classes, not just the program.

AP English classes require lots and lots of writing. So do AP History classes. IB does not have a monopoly on writing.

I prefer the way IB teaches writing, and I appreciate that the assessments are almost exclusively writing-based. I also appreciate the oral component in the IB program.

If you’re happy with AP, then great. I’m happy with IB.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

It’s fine to like AP better but you don’t need to insult IB just because you are not a fan. Just like people who like IB don’t need to diss AP. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?

I’ve taught both AP and IB English. I prefer IB, and that’s where I placed my own child.

I’ve been listening to AP vs IB arguments for over a decade. I’ve noticed that most people against IB don’t have strong knowledge of the program.

We don't really need a program that results in 82.5% to 97.4% of the seniors at high schools within FCPS not getting a IB diploma, which is the original goal of IB at the high school level.

The IBO only started encouraging kids to take courses a la carte to generate more revenue when it became clear relatively few American students were interested in doing the full IB diploma "programme."

IB English produces writers. My own child wasn’t a diploma candidate, but her experience in IB courses turned her into a remarkably strong communicator.

There’s value in the classes, not just the program.

The goal of the IB diploma programme, or at least the original goal, is an IB diploma. The overwhelming majority of FCPS students in IB schools are not pursuing an IB diploma, and they could get just as valuable writing experience at lower cost to taxpayers in AP classes.

No... the goal isn't the diploma. Directly from the IB mission statement:

"The International Baccalaureate® aims to develop inquiring, knowledgeable and caring young people who help to create a better and more peaceful world through intercultural understanding and respect. To this end the organization works with schools, governments and international organizations to develop challenging programmes of international education and rigorous assessment. These programmes encourage students across the world to become active, compassionate and lifelong learners who understand that other people, with their differences, can also be right."

I'd argue that now is a GREAT time to teach students to be compassionate, lifelong learners who can appreciate different viewpoints.

I've been to a ton of IB trainings over the years. Never once have I heard that the purpose of the program is to spit out diplomas. There's no quota.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

It’s fine to like AP better but you don’t need to insult IB just because you are not a fan. Just like people who like IB don’t need to diss AP. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?

I’ve taught both AP and IB English. I prefer IB, and that’s where I placed my own child.

I’ve been listening to AP vs IB arguments for over a decade. I’ve noticed that most people against IB don’t have strong knowledge of the program.

We don't really need a program that results in 82.5% to 97.4% of the seniors at high schools within FCPS not getting a IB diploma, which is the original goal of IB at the high school level.

The IBO only started encouraging kids to take courses a la carte to generate more revenue when it became clear relatively few American students were interested in doing the full IB diploma "programme."

IB English produces writers. My own child wasn’t a diploma candidate, but her experience in IB courses turned her into a remarkably strong communicator.

There’s value in the classes, not just the program.

AP English classes require lots and lots of writing. So do AP History classes. IB does not have a monopoly on writing.

I prefer the way IB teaches writing, and I appreciate that the assessments are almost exclusively writing-based. I also appreciate the oral component in the IB program.

If you’re happy with AP, then great. I’m happy with IB.

You're in the minority in FCPS, and you're just feeding the fire by continuing to sing IB's praises knowing that most people do not want to be redistricted from AP schools into failing or under-enrolled IB schools.

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Do they think there are no assessments in AP classes?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

It’s fine to like AP better but you don’t need to insult IB just because you are not a fan. Just like people who like IB don’t need to diss AP. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?

I’ve taught both AP and IB English. I prefer IB, and that’s where I placed my own child.

I’ve been listening to AP vs IB arguments for over a decade. I’ve noticed that most people against IB don’t have strong knowledge of the program.

We don't really need a program that results in 82.5% to 97.4% of the seniors at high schools within FCPS not getting a IB diploma, which is the original goal of IB at the high school level.

The IBO only started encouraging kids to take courses a la carte to generate more revenue when it became clear relatively few American students were interested in doing the full IB diploma "programme."

IB English produces writers. My own child wasn’t a diploma candidate, but her experience in IB courses turned her into a remarkably strong communicator.

There’s value in the classes, not just the program.

AP English classes require lots and lots of writing. So do AP History classes. IB does not have a monopoly on writing.

I prefer the way IB teaches writing, and I appreciate that the assessments are almost exclusively writing-based. I also appreciate the oral component in the IB program.

If you’re happy with AP, then great. I’m happy with IB.

You're in the minority in FCPS, and you're just feeding the fire by continuing to sing IB's praises knowing that most people do not want to be redistricted from AP schools into failing or under-enrolled IB schools.

I may be in the minority. That's not going to stop me from defending quality coursework. I have a reasoned, valuable viewpoint and the desire to share it.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they think there are no assessments in AP classes?

Of course people know there are assessments in AP classes.

Often, when people speak of "assessments" at the AP and IB level, they are talking about the tests necessary to earn college credit. In an AP course, that's at the end of the year and is often writing and multiple choice. In an IB class, these assessments are spread throughout the course and tend to take the form of essays and oral components.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

It’s fine to like AP better but you don’t need to insult IB just because you are not a fan. Just like people who like IB don’t need to diss AP. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?

I’ve taught both AP and IB English. I prefer IB, and that’s where I placed my own child.

I’ve been listening to AP vs IB arguments for over a decade. I’ve noticed that most people against IB don’t have strong knowledge of the program.

We don't really need a program that results in 82.5% to 97.4% of the seniors at high schools within FCPS not getting a IB diploma, which is the original goal of IB at the high school level.

The IBO only started encouraging kids to take courses a la carte to generate more revenue when it became clear relatively few American students were interested in doing the full IB diploma "programme."

IB English produces writers. My own child wasn’t a diploma candidate, but her experience in IB courses turned her into a remarkably strong communicator.

There’s value in the classes, not just the program.

The goal of the IB diploma programme, or at least the original goal, is an IB diploma. The overwhelming majority of FCPS students in IB schools are not pursuing an IB diploma, and they could get just as valuable writing experience at lower cost to taxpayers in AP classes.

No... the goal isn't the diploma. Directly from the IB mission statement:

"The International Baccalaureate® aims to develop inquiring, knowledgeable and caring young people who help to create a better and more peaceful world through intercultural understanding and respect. To this end the organization works with schools, governments and international organizations to develop challenging programmes of international education and rigorous assessment. These programmes encourage students across the world to become active, compassionate and lifelong learners who understand that other people, with their differences, can also be right."

I'd argue that now is a GREAT time to teach students to be compassionate, lifelong learners who can appreciate different viewpoints.

I've been to a ton of IB trainings over the years. Never once have I heard that the purpose of the program is to spit out diplomas. There's no quota.

You've regurgitated a bunch of PR puffery and conveniently overlooked the fact that every school that the IBO agrees to designate as an "IB World School" has to commit to offer the full diploma programme. Absent that commitment, which skews academic resources at IB schools, the school can't offer any IB courses at the HS level.

The IBO also characterizes its programmes for students ages 3-19 as the "Primary Years Programme" (i.e., IB prep at the ES level), the "Middle Years Programme (i.e., IB prep at the MS level), and the "Diploma Programme" (i.e., IB at the HS level). So, nice try, but fail on your part. While the IBO wouldn't say the purpose of the programme is to "spit out" diplomas, the main goal is absolutely the full IB diploma. Relatively few students in FCPS pursue a full IB diploma, however, and certainly not enough to justify the current expense.

We should not be funding eight IB schools and we certainly should not be considering redistricting kids from AP schools to IB schools against their will.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

It’s fine to like AP better but you don’t need to insult IB just because you are not a fan. Just like people who like IB don’t need to diss AP. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?

I’ve taught both AP and IB English. I prefer IB, and that’s where I placed my own child.

I’ve been listening to AP vs IB arguments for over a decade. I’ve noticed that most people against IB don’t have strong knowledge of the program.

We don't really need a program that results in 82.5% to 97.4% of the seniors at high schools within FCPS not getting a IB diploma, which is the original goal of IB at the high school level.

The IBO only started encouraging kids to take courses a la carte to generate more revenue when it became clear relatively few American students were interested in doing the full IB diploma "programme."

IB English produces writers. My own child wasn’t a diploma candidate, but her experience in IB courses turned her into a remarkably strong communicator.

There’s value in the classes, not just the program.

AP English classes require lots and lots of writing. So do AP History classes. IB does not have a monopoly on writing.

I prefer the way IB teaches writing, and I appreciate that the assessments are almost exclusively writing-based. I also appreciate the oral component in the IB program.

If you’re happy with AP, then great. I’m happy with IB.

You're in the minority in FCPS, and you're just feeding the fire by continuing to sing IB's praises knowing that most people do not want to be redistricted from AP schools into failing or under-enrolled IB schools.

I may be in the minority. That's not going to stop me from defending quality coursework. I have a reasoned, valuable viewpoint and the desire to share it.

Mostly you're just obstinately repeating yourself at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they think there are no assessments in AP classes?

Of course people know there are assessments in AP classes.

Often, when people speak of "assessments" at the AP and IB level, they are talking about the tests necessary to earn college credit. In an AP course, that's at the end of the year and is often writing and multiple choice. In an IB class, these assessments are spread throughout the course and tend to take the form of essays and oral components.

Well, I don't know what they call them, but my kids had regular assessments in AP. Do you really think they don't write until the AP test? And, there might have been some multiple choice, but I don't remember that being practiced. Seems to me it was all about the essays.
There is a lot of writing in AP English. Ask the teachers how much time they spend grading the essays/compositions.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope not. It’s an excellent program and we have been extremely pleased with the rigor.

The only rigor on display at most IB schools in FCPS is rigor mortis. That’s a main reason why they are so keen to redistrict. Easier than dealing with the root causes.

It’s fine to like AP better but you don’t need to insult IB just because you are not a fan. Just like people who like IB don’t need to diss AP. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?

I’ve taught both AP and IB English. I prefer IB, and that’s where I placed my own child.

I’ve been listening to AP vs IB arguments for over a decade. I’ve noticed that most people against IB don’t have strong knowledge of the program.

We don't really need a program that results in 82.5% to 97.4% of the seniors at high schools within FCPS not getting a IB diploma, which is the original goal of IB at the high school level.

The IBO only started encouraging kids to take courses a la carte to generate more revenue when it became clear relatively few American students were interested in doing the full IB diploma "programme."

IB English produces writers. My own child wasn’t a diploma candidate, but her experience in IB courses turned her into a remarkably strong communicator.

There’s value in the classes, not just the program.

AP English classes require lots and lots of writing. So do AP History classes. IB does not have a monopoly on writing.

I prefer the way IB teaches writing, and I appreciate that the assessments are almost exclusively writing-based. I also appreciate the oral component in the IB program.

If you’re happy with AP, then great. I’m happy with IB.

If you are at an IB school, how do you even know how AP teaches writing?

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Anonymous wrote:Do they think there are no assessments in AP classes?

Yes.

No assessments, no writing, no critical thinking, only a narrow viewpoint.



The anti AP/pro IB posts are kinda funny

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Anonymous wrote:Do they think there are no assessments in AP classes?

Of course people know there are assessments in AP classes.

Often, when people speak of "assessments" at the AP and IB level, they are talking about the tests necessary to earn college credit. In an AP course, that's at the end of the year and is often writing and multiple choice. In an IB class, these assessments are spread throughout the course and tend to take the form of essays and oral components.

What are you talking about??

AP has constant written assessments throughout the year.