Petition to Rescind the appointment of AP at Rock Creek Valley ES

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Anonymous wrote:Winter isn’t a good person. He has sexually harrassed teachers (reported to MCPS and swept under the rug), only cares about his favorite students and doesn’t even try to engage with anyone else, and has blatantly lied to parents. He was incredibly rude to me when my child was there. I know many parents who actively dislike him. Teachers don’t like him unless he plays favorites towards them, too.

It’s not just this incident.

He needs a central office job or to just go do something else. He shouldn’t be in a school anymore.

The climate data at his school over the past few years seems to disagree with your take regarding his ineffectiveness.

Link?

DP. All school climate survey results are available here:

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

Yeah when 1/3 of my staff disagree that the school is a positive environment, that isn’t a good data point for me

[Anonymous]

When is he supposed to start at RCV?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When is he supposed to start at RCV?

This week

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Winter isn’t a good person. He has sexually harrassed teachers (reported to MCPS and swept under the rug), only cares about his favorite students and doesn’t even try to engage with anyone else, and has blatantly lied to parents. He was incredibly rude to me when my child was there. I know many parents who actively dislike him. Teachers don’t like him unless he plays favorites towards them, too.

It’s not just this incident.

He needs a central office job or to just go do something else. He shouldn’t be in a school anymore.

Any evidence to this? I don't want another Beidleman, but you just can't accuse someone without facts backing you up, PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Winter isn’t a good person. He has sexually harrassed teachers (reported to MCPS and swept under the rug), only cares about his favorite students and doesn’t even try to engage with anyone else, and has blatantly lied to parents. He was incredibly rude to me when my child was there. I know many parents who actively dislike him. Teachers don’t like him unless he plays favorites towards them, too.

It’s not just this incident.

He needs a central office job or to just go do something else. He shouldn’t be in a school anymore.

Any evidence to this? I don't want another Beidleman, but you just can't accuse someone without facts backing you up, PP.

You don't think an anonymous poster on Dcum would ever lie or exaggerate, do you? /s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Winter isn’t a good person. He has sexually harrassed teachers (reported to MCPS and swept under the rug), only cares about his favorite students and doesn’t even try to engage with anyone else, and has blatantly lied to parents. He was incredibly rude to me when my child was there. I know many parents who actively dislike him. Teachers don’t like him unless he plays favorites towards them, too.

It’s not just this incident.

He needs a central office job or to just go do something else. He shouldn’t be in a school anymore.

Any evidence to this? I don't want another Beidleman, but you just can't accuse someone without facts backing you up, PP.

You don't think an anonymous poster on Dcum would ever lie or exaggerate, do you? /s

Teacher here - worked with him myself and saw it firsthand. Sorry I can’t “out myself” on a forum and say my name or position but it’s all true and many other staff members saw it too

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I have a child with special needs. I am fine with this Principal.

+1. I have a child with ASD that has SIBs and a tendancy to elope, which sounds similar to this child. Grabbing his sweatshirt stop hin from running off can be an important way to keep him and others safe, and is something I have to so frequently anytime we're in public. I see no reason to question the decisions of this person.

I'm ok with grabbing a shirt in a situation you are describing but this was not the situation and if you read online about this principal he had a past with anger management issues. He should go to central office.

It doesn't sound that different of a situation based on the moco360 article and the judge's reaction.

I don't understand why you're going after someone that was cleared of wrongdoing. This wasn't a case of something being swept under the rug. There was an investigation and trial and he was cleared.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Winter isn’t a good person. He has sexually harrassed teachers (reported to MCPS and swept under the rug), only cares about his favorite students and doesn’t even try to engage with anyone else, and has blatantly lied to parents. He was incredibly rude to me when my child was there. I know many parents who actively dislike him. Teachers don’t like him unless he plays favorites towards them, too.

It’s not just this incident.

He needs a central office job or to just go do something else. He shouldn’t be in a school anymore.

Any evidence to this? I don't want another Beidleman, but you just can't accuse someone without facts backing you up, PP.

You don't think an anonymous poster on Dcum would ever lie or exaggerate, do you? /s

Teacher here - worked with him myself and saw it firsthand. Sorry I can’t “out myself” on a forum and say my name or position but it’s all true and many other staff members saw it too

How credible...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Winter isn’t a good person. He has sexually harrassed teachers (reported to MCPS and swept under the rug), only cares about his favorite students and doesn’t even try to engage with anyone else, and has blatantly lied to parents. He was incredibly rude to me when my child was there. I know many parents who actively dislike him. Teachers don’t like him unless he plays favorites towards them, too.

It’s not just this incident.

He needs a central office job or to just go do something else. He shouldn’t be in a school anymore.

Any evidence to this? I don't want another Beidleman, but you just can't accuse someone without facts backing you up, PP.

You don't think an anonymous poster on Dcum would ever lie or exaggerate, do you? /s

Teacher here - worked with him myself and saw it firsthand. Sorry I can’t “out myself” on a forum and say my name or position but it’s all true and many other staff members saw it too

Yes, how could anyone question the veracity of vague accusations from unnamed people in unidentified positions? It's on the internet therefore it must be true!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Winter isn’t a good person. He has sexually harrassed teachers (reported to MCPS and swept under the rug), only cares about his favorite students and doesn’t even try to engage with anyone else, and has blatantly lied to parents. He was incredibly rude to me when my child was there. I know many parents who actively dislike him. Teachers don’t like him unless he plays favorites towards them, too.

It’s not just this incident.

He needs a central office job or to just go do something else. He shouldn’t be in a school anymore.

The climate data at his school over the past few years seems to disagree with your take regarding his ineffectiveness.

Link?

DP. All school climate survey results are available here:

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

Yeah when 1/3 of my staff disagree that the school is a positive environment, that isn’t a good data point for me

What is really sad is that over 90% of students in grades 3-5 returned the survey and on the answer to question

Most of the time, my teachers can teach without being interrupted by students who misbehave.
5.1% of students strongly agreed
30.1% of students agreed
44.2% of students disagreed
20.5% of students strongly disagreed

This is such a sad metric that the majority of students in 23-24 school responded this way.

But going back to school climate in 22-23 the answer to
How positive is the tone that school leaders set for the culture of the school?
0.0% of staff replied not at all
11.5 % of staff replied somewhat
73.1 % of staff replied quite
15.4 % replied extremely.

Those numbers look pretty good. Then looks what happens when he isn't there the whole year for 23-24 what the responses are
6. How positive is the tone that school leaders set for the culture of the school?
4.3% now say not at all
65.2% now replied somewhat (compared to 11.5% the previous year)
17.4% replied quite
13.0% replied extremely

So if the principal were so awful how come these numbers went down. And again students last year ran the show there
18. Students in this school behave in an orderly manner.
8.7 % strongly agree
26.1% agree
47.8 % disagree
17.4% strongly disagree

I am just randomly reading post procrastinating so actually have no vested interested. I work for a different school system but the complaints seem from parents whose kids did not behave in an orderly manner. Most of my colleagues are counting down the years until we retire and telling our kids don't even consider being a public school teacher.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Be happy there is an administrator who is willing to not let kids do whatever they want. It appears that some parents get upset when their children cant do whatever they want whenever they want to.

News reports indicate

During the trial, several people testified that the student had difficulties staying in class for long periods and would often get up to walk around the school. On the day of the incident, the student left the cafeteria several times.


During a roughly five-hour bench trial, Montgomery County Circuit Judge Sharon Burrell said the student was inconsistent in his testimony and that he showed no outward signs of pain in the video. She said the state didn’t prove whether the student was upset because his foot was stomped on or if it was because he was scared or upset about having to do something he didn’t want to do.

There wasn’t even enough evidence to continue the trial. He was NOT acquitted, the case was so weak the judge dismissed the case.

Read your post. He did it. There were a million ways to handle it. This is abuse. A child with special needs may express pain differently. What if it were your child?

There was no case. Stop trying to ruin this man’s life.

The original post was about how the elementary school community has a petition to keep him out of their building. No one is trying to ruin his life. Perhaps he should take a hint that he’s not exactly welcome back to schools and pursue something in offices away from kids. This is just not a good fit after everything that has happened

Since he was cleared by the courts and MCPS he should be allowed to continue his career. Making an argument not to permit him in a school is saying what happened in the courts and with his due process doesn’t matter. As a result you are saying he did do it when it was never proven which does in fact ruin him. Let’s also be honest he didn’t choose where to go, MCPS did.

+1

It sounds like he has already suffered a lot.

Hopefully mcps will rethink that decision now that the community at RCV has expressed themselves and they don’t seem to be standing down.

Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread honestly makes me concerned about the Rockville cluster now.

About the judgmental parents in this area? Yeah. +1

+2. Never even went to trial, but random nobodies bleating “judges don’t always make the best decisions?” Please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's clear this guy has some defenders on DCUM. Maybe it's himself, maybe it's MCPS trying to do damage control. I suggest those interested in this case read the actual news reports.

Or “maybe,” like me, it’s neither.

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Anonymous wrote:Just because there is not enough evidence to convict him does not convince me that he should be around small children.

Even if it’s not true?

The video. Speaks for itself

The video does not show he hit the child’s foot. The judge noted that the child does not react as if his foot was ever hit.

Enough already. He lost his school, was arrested, case was dismissed or he was acquitted, and MCPS seems lucky that he didn’t sue them for how things were handled.

I believe it’s time to move on and allow him to return. No doubt he will be micromanaged and watched.

I actually Hope the family sues mcps. And wouldn’t Mr winter be suing mcpd ? What does mcps have to do with his arrest and the charges ? Nothing at all

Oh grow up. The parents clearly don’t know how to parent, and are mad that once their kid can’t do everything he wants and someone disciplines him, they should sue?? No way.

Go back to your hole, troll

+1 bye Andrew!!!

Do you know how stupid you sound when you post these things? Just checking.

not PP, not “Andrew!!” Feel free to ask the moderator.

[Anonymous]

I worked with him in two schools and he was always positive and wanted only the best for kids. While he sometimes confronted teachers about how they were teaching and got pushback he never was sexually inappropriate with anyone. This allegation that is being made is truly unfounded and libel. I was very involved in both schools and there were no reports about that ever made.

He didn’t always handle every situation best but his intentions I believe were always good. There were staff who wanted to be left alone and not consider his feedback and they became very defensive and confrontational.

I think it is sad that someone who went through due process and the courts and was cleared to return isn’t being given a fair chance to do his job that he’s devoted his life to doing.