New Policy: APS school board adopts all-day ban on student phone use, makes one exception

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Anonymous wrote:Why would a parent need to text a kid everyday? What cants wait until the bell? Come on

that's not what this is about.

why can't a parent who doesn't want their kid to have a cell phone just take away their OWN kid's phone?

I'm so sick of this argument?!
Other kids' cell phones are ALSO the problem! It's not just MY kid or just any one other kid. PHONES period. I don't give a crap whether they belong to my kid or yours. NEITHER should be used in the classroom. And of course, I know YOUR kid never does and isn't the problem. So if your kid doesn't use their phone during school and isn't the problem, the policy shouldn't be a problem for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Love all the furor and exchanges on this topic before; but now that the policy has been voted on, the outrage seems to have evaporated.

Not in APS but a different local district and we see how implementation happened. It’s all a joke. This will be too. Read the thread on cheating in HS. It’s all for show and just encourages more burner phones. These bans never work.

It's already been implemented via pilot programs in APS. Yes, lots of kids have not been/are not putting their real phones into the pouches. But they also are not getting their real phones out and using them, and when someone does actually brazenly do so, the rule is actually much more effectively enforced and the stuent puts it way or is sent to the office. This is the experience and eyewitness testimony of my student.

A policy doesn't have to actually be conducted 100% the way it's supposed to in order for the ban itself to "work." If phones aren't out anymore and are not causing disruptions - even if it has minimized distractions - the ban WORKS.

They thought the same in FCCPS and cheating is worse than ever this year with phones. Teachers weren’t as worried because phones were not allowed and taken by being put in a mandatory phone holder in every room. Students were and are much better about sneaking them and took longer to get caught.

What are you talking about? Cheating how? Getting caught not putting their real phone in the pouch - or being caught using their phone during class?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you look at the survey results? Teachers and students were in line with cell phones being a problem. The parental responses were like 15% thought it was a problem. So the people in the classroom — teachers and students — got the policy they needed.

yes i looked, the survey didn't support a whole day ban in high schools

Look again.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it should be up to the individual school/teacher. And from what I can tell that’s still what’s happening (varies by teacher). Probably won’t change due to the new policy.

It's different from teacher to teacher and school to school because the existing policy allows that. This establishes a districtwide policy that will be more consistent across the board, which APS should have done YEARS ago when phones started showing up in classrooms.

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The constant whining about how impossible and hard this will be for kids — they can’t get their meds! They can’t take notes! They can’t make after school changes/plans during school hours! They can’t answer my text about what they want for dinner tonight! It’s like IMPOSSIBLE to do any of these things without a cell phone. How could one possibly do these things without one?

And there is no harm. Cell phones are just a part of life. All of you people/scientists saying cell phones are distracting or harmful, listen, we support RFK and no vaccines too. Stop telling me what to do.

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Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

1. Student to teacher: I'm supposed to have medication. My mom is going to drop it off (I know this because she told me so). Can I check at the office to see if she's dropped it off?

2. High schools ABSOLUTELY call students to the office.
3. They know where your kid is by looking at their schedule. If they are at lunch, they can help you locate them - they aren't wandering the building anymore (at least at our high school) and if they are a senior and leave campus for lunch, or you can't locate them, you can leave the medication and the message with the office or they will likely tell you take it to the clinic. The clinic staff will then contact your student.

Just how often are you dropping off medication, anyway? Sounds like a YOU problem, not a lack of phone problem.

PS: For most medications, you can't just give them to your student to carry around with them at school anyway - they need to be held by the nurse in the clinic. So, again, tell me how high schools work.

No you are completely wrong. Again this is telling that you have zero idea how things work for older kids.

DP and this is exactly how it works for my high school kids. The office will not take medication and my kid can’t have it on them. I have to take it directly to the nurse and they log it in and my kid goes to the clinic to take it.

+1 and why are you routinely dropping off medication at school? Are they forgetting to bring it? Maybe a bit more hassle will help them remember.

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Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

I’m assuming the medication is not a 911 situation, so they would wait until after lunch, look up their schedule and call her next class to have her come to the office. This is a time tested solution.

Again, they could stop by the office every other period to see if you dropped it off if you doubt the school. The bother of having to do this will be a natural consequence to help them not forgot medicine in the future.

As for them telling you to text your child, okay? Sure there are lazy admins but once the policy is there are no phones, they won’t press the easy button that no longer exists.

except this is not what happens in busy school offices. You really think the office staff has time for this??? please. You clearly know zip about how schools actually work!

Every time I go to our high school office they are pretty chill. What exactly are they doing that they can’t attend to an urgent medical situation for a particular student.

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Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

1. Student to teacher: I'm supposed to have medication. My mom is going to drop it off (I know this because she told me so). Can I check at the office to see if she's dropped it off?

2. High schools ABSOLUTELY call students to the office.
3. They know where your kid is by looking at their schedule. If they are at lunch, they can help you locate them - they aren't wandering the building anymore (at least at our high school) and if they are a senior and leave campus for lunch, or you can't locate them, you can leave the medication and the message with the office or they will likely tell you take it to the clinic. The clinic staff will then contact your student.

Just how often are you dropping off medication, anyway? Sounds like a YOU problem, not a lack of phone problem.

PS: For most medications, you can't just give them to your student to carry around with them at school anyway - they need to be held by the nurse in the clinic. So, again, tell me how high schools work.

No you are completely wrong. Again this is telling that you have zero idea how things work for older kids.

Okay, tell us what medicine does a child need every day and is walking around with.

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Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

1. Student to teacher: I'm supposed to have medication. My mom is going to drop it off (I know this because she told me so). Can I check at the office to see if she's dropped it off?

2. High schools ABSOLUTELY call students to the office.
3. They know where your kid is by looking at their schedule. If they are at lunch, they can help you locate them - they aren't wandering the building anymore (at least at our high school) and if they are a senior and leave campus for lunch, or you can't locate them, you can leave the medication and the message with the office or they will likely tell you take it to the clinic. The clinic staff will then contact your student.

Just how often are you dropping off medication, anyway? Sounds like a YOU problem, not a lack of phone problem.

except how would my kid know I'm dropping it off if we can't communicate via text anymore? And do I really want my head leaving class to go check every hour?

That's nice that at YOUR HS they don't wander the building at lunch, they do at ours. And which staff member has time to go and help me track down my child? And how do you think my child is going to like that?

In the past this was handled easily, efficiently and discreetly via a text. Not anymore thanks to people like you.

Your kids having to go check the office every period to get the message you left that your will drop off the meds later and then actually stopping again to pick it up will be a good lesson to remember medicine in the first place.

Do you even have a job or something better to do that you are dropping odd their meds on the regular, and they have lulled into complacency with your “discreet texts”. You are still bothering the office staff since they any adult approaching the building needs to be tracked because of all the shootings.

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Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

1. Student to teacher: I'm supposed to have medication. My mom is going to drop it off (I know this because she told me so). Can I check at the office to see if she's dropped it off?

2. High schools ABSOLUTELY call students to the office.
3. They know where your kid is by looking at their schedule. If they are at lunch, they can help you locate them - they aren't wandering the building anymore (at least at our high school) and if they are a senior and leave campus for lunch, or you can't locate them, you can leave the medication and the message with the office or they will likely tell you take it to the clinic. The clinic staff will then contact your student.

Just how often are you dropping off medication, anyway? Sounds like a YOU problem, not a lack of phone problem.

PS: For most medications, you can't just give them to your student to carry around with them at school anyway - they need to be held by the nurse in the clinic. So, again, tell me how high schools work.

No you are completely wrong. Again this is telling that you have zero idea how things work for older kids.

DP and this is exactly how it works for my high school kids. The office will not take medication and my kid can’t have it on them. I have to take it directly to the nurse and they log it in and my kid goes to the clinic to take it.

+1 and why are you routinely dropping off medication at school? Are they forgetting to bring it? Maybe a bit more hassle will help them remember.

thanks for your parenting advice. i'll give you some - learn parental controls for your kids phone and go spend some time with your kids instead of staying on social media all day Sunday

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Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

1. Student to teacher: I'm supposed to have medication. My mom is going to drop it off (I know this because she told me so). Can I check at the office to see if she's dropped it off?

2. High schools ABSOLUTELY call students to the office.
3. They know where your kid is by looking at their schedule. If they are at lunch, they can help you locate them - they aren't wandering the building anymore (at least at our high school) and if they are a senior and leave campus for lunch, or you can't locate them, you can leave the medication and the message with the office or they will likely tell you take it to the clinic. The clinic staff will then contact your student.

Just how often are you dropping off medication, anyway? Sounds like a YOU problem, not a lack of phone problem.

PS: For most medications, you can't just give them to your student to carry around with them at school anyway - they need to be held by the nurse in the clinic. So, again, tell me how high schools work.

No you are completely wrong. Again this is telling that you have zero idea how things work for older kids.

Okay, tell us what medicine does a child need every day and is walking around with.

wow you are clueless, you are also very privileged if you don't have a kid who needs to carry meds. but thanks for making this harder for my kid and my family.

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Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

I’m assuming the medication is not a 911 situation, so they would wait until after lunch, look up their schedule and call her next class to have her come to the office. This is a time tested solution.

Again, they could stop by the office every other period to see if you dropped it off if you doubt the school. The bother of having to do this will be a natural consequence to help them not forgot medicine in the future.

As for them telling you to text your child, okay? Sure there are lazy admins but once the policy is there are no phones, they won’t press the easy button that no longer exists.

except this is not what happens in busy school offices. You really think the office staff has time for this??? please. You clearly know zip about how schools actually work!

Every time I go to our high school office they are pretty chill. What exactly are they doing that they can’t attend to an urgent medical situation for a particular student.

aaah, you assume they are doing nothing? just like you thought teachers were on vacay during virtual instruction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would a parent need to text a kid everyday? What cants wait until the bell? Come on

that's not what this is about.

why can't a parent who doesn't want their kid to have a cell phone just take away their OWN kid's phone?

I'm so sick of this argument?!
Other kids' cell phones are ALSO the problem! It's not just MY kid or just any one other kid. PHONES period. I don't give a crap whether they belong to my kid or yours. NEITHER should be used in the classroom. And of course, I know YOUR kid never does and isn't the problem. So if your kid doesn't use their phone during school and isn't the problem, the policy shouldn't be a problem for you.

The away for the class policy is fine. The away for halls and lunch is not fine. It's group punishment. You still won't say why you won't take your own kid's phone away or put some controls on it. Start there.

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Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

1. Student to teacher: I'm supposed to have medication. My mom is going to drop it off (I know this because she told me so). Can I check at the office to see if she's dropped it off?

2. High schools ABSOLUTELY call students to the office.
3. They know where your kid is by looking at their schedule. If they are at lunch, they can help you locate them - they aren't wandering the building anymore (at least at our high school) and if they are a senior and leave campus for lunch, or you can't locate them, you can leave the medication and the message with the office or they will likely tell you take it to the clinic. The clinic staff will then contact your student.

Just how often are you dropping off medication, anyway? Sounds like a YOU problem, not a lack of phone problem.

except how would my kid know I'm dropping it off if we can't communicate via text anymore? And do I really want my head leaving class to go check every hour?

That's nice that at YOUR HS they don't wander the building at lunch, they do at ours. And which staff member has time to go and help me track down my child? And how do you think my child is going to like that?

In the past this was handled easily, efficiently and discreetly via a text. Not anymore thanks to people like you.

Your kids having to go check the office every period to get the message you left that your will drop off the meds later and then actually stopping again to pick it up will be a good lesson to remember medicine in the first place.

Do you even have a job or something better to do that you are dropping odd their meds on the regular, and they have lulled into complacency with your “discreet texts”. You are still bothering the office staff since they any adult approaching the building needs to be tracked because of all the shootings.

If bothering front office staff was your concern, you would not be telling me that can walk all over the building to find kids and deliver messages.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at a pouch pilot school. She lost the empty pouch and I haven’t heard from the school about replacing it. I can only assume that means she is following the rules. She claims none of her friends use the pouch but she’s 12 and she’s an unreliable narrator

no one is following it, it's all just a farce. what a waste of money!!!