New Policy: APS school board adopts all-day ban on student phone use, makes one exception

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Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

1. Student to teacher: I'm supposed to have medication. My mom is going to drop it off (I know this because she told me so). Can I check at the office to see if she's dropped it off?

2. High schools ABSOLUTELY call students to the office.
3. They know where your kid is by looking at their schedule. If they are at lunch, they can help you locate them - they aren't wandering the building anymore (at least at our high school) and if they are a senior and leave campus for lunch, or you can't locate them, you can leave the medication and the message with the office or they will likely tell you take it to the clinic. The clinic staff will then contact your student.

Just how often are you dropping off medication, anyway? Sounds like a YOU problem, not a lack of phone problem.

except how would my kid know I'm dropping it off if we can't communicate via text anymore? And do I really want my head leaving class to go check every hour?

That's nice that at YOUR HS they don't wander the building at lunch, they do at ours. And which staff member has time to go and help me track down my child? And how do you think my child is going to like that?

In the past this was handled easily, efficiently and discreetly via a text. Not anymore thanks to people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:Love all the furor and exchanges on this topic before; but now that the policy has been voted on, the outrage seems to have evaporated.

It’s because people perceived it as an APE thing and that makes them go insane. I wouldn’t be surprised if some people who were initially against it or seeing a positive change in their students now that it’s being piloted at some school.

Nice try. We perceived it as an APE thing because it WAS an APE thing.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would a parent need to text a kid everyday? What cants wait until the bell? Come on

that's not what this is about.

why can't a parent who doesn't want their kid to have a cell phone just take away their OWN kid's phone?

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Anonymous wrote:Love all the furor and exchanges on this topic before; but now that the policy has been voted on, the outrage seems to have evaporated.

Not in APS but a different local district and we see how implementation happened. It’s all a joke. This will be too. Read the thread on cheating in HS. It’s all for show and just encourages more burner phones. These bans never work.

It's already been implemented via pilot programs in APS. Yes, lots of kids have not been/are not putting their real phones into the pouches. But they also are not getting their real phones out and using them, and when someone does actually brazenly do so, the rule is actually much more effectively enforced and the stuent puts it way or is sent to the office. This is the experience and eyewitness testimony of my student.

A policy doesn't have to actually be conducted 100% the way it's supposed to in order for the ban itself to "work." If phones aren't out anymore and are not causing disruptions - even if it has minimized distractions - the ban WORKS.

They thought the same in FCCPS and cheating is worse than ever this year with phones. Teachers weren’t as worried because phones were not allowed and taken by being put in a mandatory phone holder in every room. Students were and are much better about sneaking them and took longer to get caught.

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GOOD. I don't think they should be allowed at lunch they should be socializing in person at lunch not with their head in their phones.

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Also alexadria city needs to do the same but they have much bigger issues.

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Did you look at the survey results? Teachers and students were in line with cell phones being a problem. The parental responses were like 15% thought it was a problem. So the people in the classroom — teachers and students — got the policy they needed.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you look at the survey results? Teachers and students were in line with cell phones being a problem. The parental responses were like 15% thought it was a problem. So the people in the classroom — teachers and students — got the policy they needed.

yes i looked, the survey didn't support a whole day ban in high schools

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My kid is at a pouch pilot school. She lost the empty pouch and I haven’t heard from the school about replacing it. I can only assume that means she is following the rules. She claims none of her friends use the pouch but she’s 12 and she’s an unreliable narrator

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Anonymous wrote:Did you look at the survey results? Teachers and students were in line with cell phones being a problem. The parental responses were like 15% thought it was a problem. So the people in the classroom — teachers and students — got the policy they needed.

yes i looked, the survey didn't support a whole day ban in high schools

You must have looked at a different survey than I did. Or you’re one of the many parents who thinks there isn’t a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

1. Student to teacher: I'm supposed to have medication. My mom is going to drop it off (I know this because she told me so). Can I check at the office to see if she's dropped it off?

2. High schools ABSOLUTELY call students to the office.
3. They know where your kid is by looking at their schedule. If they are at lunch, they can help you locate them - they aren't wandering the building anymore (at least at our high school) and if they are a senior and leave campus for lunch, or you can't locate them, you can leave the medication and the message with the office or they will likely tell you take it to the clinic. The clinic staff will then contact your student.

Just how often are you dropping off medication, anyway? Sounds like a YOU problem, not a lack of phone problem.

PS: For most medications, you can't just give them to your student to carry around with them at school anyway - they need to be held by the nurse in the clinic. So, again, tell me how high schools work.

No you are completely wrong. Again this is telling that you have zero idea how things work for older kids.

DP and this is exactly how it works for my high school kids. The office will not take medication and my kid can’t have it on them. I have to take it directly to the nurse and they log it in and my kid goes to the clinic to take it.

[Anonymous]

I think it should be up to the individual school/teacher. And from what I can tell that’s still what’s happening (varies by teacher). Probably won’t change due to the new policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love all the furor and exchanges on this topic before; but now that the policy has been voted on, the outrage seems to have evaporated.

Not in APS but a different local district and we see how implementation happened. It’s all a joke. This will be too. Read the thread on cheating in HS. It’s all for show and just encourages more burner phones. These bans never work.

It's already been implemented via pilot programs in APS. Yes, lots of kids have not been/are not putting their real phones into the pouches. But they also are not getting their real phones out and using them, and when someone does actually brazenly do so, the rule is actually much more effectively enforced and the stuent puts it way or is sent to the office. This is the experience and eyewitness testimony of my student.

A policy doesn't have to actually be conducted 100% the way it's supposed to in order for the ban itself to "work." If phones aren't out anymore and are not causing disruptions - even if it has minimized distractions - the ban WORKS.

The same thing is happening in APS. This is just for show to appease the loud APEs.

And to say they did something.

Uh...yeah....like I said it's already being done in APS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

1. Student to teacher: I'm supposed to have medication. My mom is going to drop it off (I know this because she told me so). Can I check at the office to see if she's dropped it off?

2. High schools ABSOLUTELY call students to the office.
3. They know where your kid is by looking at their schedule. If they are at lunch, they can help you locate them - they aren't wandering the building anymore (at least at our high school) and if they are a senior and leave campus for lunch, or you can't locate them, you can leave the medication and the message with the office or they will likely tell you take it to the clinic. The clinic staff will then contact your student.

Just how often are you dropping off medication, anyway? Sounds like a YOU problem, not a lack of phone problem.

PS: For most medications, you can't just give them to your student to carry around with them at school anyway - they need to be held by the nurse in the clinic. So, again, tell me how high schools work.

No you are completely wrong. Again this is telling that you have zero idea how things work for older kids.

It's how it works in my kids' (and again, I've had two) high school. So please enlighten the rest of us how you think it really works. Is this a real thing for you, or are you just being obtuse and making it up to be obnoxious?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The APEs still have little kids. Wait til their kids get older and get to high school and they realize what they don't know now. Kids in high school can't just whip out their ipad to do what phones can because oops they don't have one. And practice changed but coach can't get a message to them in high school and front office sure isn't going to deliver it.

And also wait til they see this policy won't do anything because all the things they complain about with phones are being done on APS ipads.

I look forward to their outrage, but they will just have themselves to blame.

What are you even talking about? Yes iPads can do a lot of things iPhones can, but it’s way harder to sneak it in the back row of a classroom in your lap.

Most iPads will be school issued and limit social media; if they don’t that’s an IT problem not a policy problem.

Practice changed! The horror! They won’t find out till the end of the day, when they actually need to know rather than in 2nd period algebra. Your examples don’t even make sense.

My kids are in high school, and we have friends at privates where phones are banned all day.

Wait til you have to drop off medication for your kid but they never are given the message.

And your kid doesn't know they need medication, so they can't ask about it? Or, you can't wait for them to call your child to the office to ensure they're aware?

Ask who? How? If they had their phone they could ask me if I dropped it off and where but how do you want this to happen now that ppl like you took this away.

And you think high schools call kids to the offuce? Hahaha you are clueless. Tell me how that works during lunch please - how do they know where my kid is? Who do they call?

This isn’t elementary school. Last time this happened the school told me to text my child!!!

1. Student to teacher: I'm supposed to have medication. My mom is going to drop it off (I know this because she told me so). Can I check at the office to see if she's dropped it off?

2. High schools ABSOLUTELY call students to the office.
3. They know where your kid is by looking at their schedule. If they are at lunch, they can help you locate them - they aren't wandering the building anymore (at least at our high school) and if they are a senior and leave campus for lunch, or you can't locate them, you can leave the medication and the message with the office or they will likely tell you take it to the clinic. The clinic staff will then contact your student.

Just how often are you dropping off medication, anyway? Sounds like a YOU problem, not a lack of phone problem.

except how would my kid know I'm dropping it off if we can't communicate via text anymore? And do I really want my head leaving class to go check every hour?

That's nice that at YOUR HS they don't wander the building at lunch, they do at ours. And which staff member has time to go and help me track down my child? And how do you think my child is going to like that?

In the past this was handled easily, efficiently and discreetly via a text. Not anymore thanks to people like you.

You might gain a little sympathy if you explained why this is a situation for you. what medication would your child not know is being dropped off for them - that they can't wait a few more hours until the end of the school day for?
How do you think people managed this for decades and decades before pagers even, let alone cell phones?
If your kid already knows before going to school you're dropping something off, why can't they just check at lunch or why can't you give them an idea of when you'll be there?
Surely you're capable of a little thought and problem-solving?