New Policy: APS school board adopts all-day ban on student phone use, makes one exception

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.

Except it was disruptive according to your story.

You illustrated the problem with allowing teachers to use their phones during the day remarkably well.

There is a serious reading comprehension issue. The use of the cell phone by the teacher PREVENTED disruption in the classroom.

You obviously didn't read her story. Try again.

Haha! I'm the example providing poster and using my phone to contact the office meant I got the help I needed and the kids weren't disturbed while working on their assignment. Anyone who has been in a classroom knows that phone calls are too interesting for kids and they will stop what they are doing to listen in. That's pretty clearly an argument in favor of letting teachers have a cell phone.

And you said your texting also caused a disruption with your students, who rightfully questioned why you were allowed to use it during class.

No. I didn't read again:

Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.


The text to the office did not cause a disruption. That's the whole point. It's honestly very clear.

For the record, I never posted about how kids shouldn't have phones. I don't know why, when everything is anonymous, that people assume all posts are coming from one person. Different teachers at different schools and in different grades have different experiences. One shouldn't assume a 5th grade teacher and one teaching AP Gov would feel the same way about how to handle cell phone disruptions from their students. Yet, you seems to see teachers as a monolith.

You said earlier:

"I’m worried these people are teaching their kids that they should have the same privileges as their adult teachers. One of my colleagues texted me that we were out of Kleenex and some kid told her that her father said teachers shouldn’t be allowed on their phones, either. As you can imagine, she was really snotty about it. Allowing teenagers to believe that they should have the same privileges as their adult teachers is a mistake. That kind of thing is what is ruining education."

That certainly sounds like a disruption from using the phone.

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Anonymous wrote:Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.

Except it was disruptive according to your story.

You illustrated the problem with allowing teachers to use their phones during the day remarkably well.

There is a serious reading comprehension issue. The use of the cell phone by the teacher PREVENTED disruption in the classroom.

You obviously didn't read her story. Try again.

Haha! I'm the example providing poster and using my phone to contact the office meant I got the help I needed and the kids weren't disturbed while working on their assignment. Anyone who has been in a classroom knows that phone calls are too interesting for kids and they will stop what they are doing to listen in. That's pretty clearly an argument in favor of letting teachers have a cell phone.

And you said your texting also caused a disruption with your students, who rightfully questioned why you were allowed to use it during class.

No. I didn't read again:

Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.


The text to the office did not cause a disruption. That's the whole point. It's honestly very clear.

For the record, I never posted about how kids shouldn't have phones. I don't know why, when everything is anonymous, that people assume all posts are coming from one person. Different teachers at different schools and in different grades have different experiences. One shouldn't assume a 5th grade teacher and one teaching AP Gov would feel the same way about how to handle cell phone disruptions from their students. Yet, you seems to see teachers as a monolith.

It’s just some dumb troll trying to stir the pot.

Obviously teachers shouldn’t have the same rules as kids.

And obviously parents don’t get to make the workplace rules for other adults.

Again with the insults! The anti cell phone police are incapable of social media etiquette. Showing us once again why your children can't handle their phones if this is their model.

If PP is going to act like a dumb troll, then I’ll call them a dumb troll.

STFU, dumb troll.

There you go again with the insults. This tells me you can't respond with logic or reason. It also tells me that some parents are the problem their kids can't handle phones.

The appropriate response to inane trolling is to call it out. ESAD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

do students have the same verification?

No. Are students accessing programs with sensitive private information about other students that might require an additional layer of security to access? Use your brains!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.

Except it was disruptive according to your story.

You illustrated the problem with allowing teachers to use their phones during the day remarkably well.

There is a serious reading comprehension issue. The use of the cell phone by the teacher PREVENTED disruption in the classroom.

You obviously didn't read her story. Try again.

Haha! I'm the example providing poster and using my phone to contact the office meant I got the help I needed and the kids weren't disturbed while working on their assignment. Anyone who has been in a classroom knows that phone calls are too interesting for kids and they will stop what they are doing to listen in. That's pretty clearly an argument in favor of letting teachers have a cell phone.

And you said your texting also caused a disruption with your students, who rightfully questioned why you were allowed to use it during class.

No. I didn't read again:

Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.


The text to the office did not cause a disruption. That's the whole point. It's honestly very clear.

For the record, I never posted about how kids shouldn't have phones. I don't know why, when everything is anonymous, that people assume all posts are coming from one person. Different teachers at different schools and in different grades have different experiences. One shouldn't assume a 5th grade teacher and one teaching AP Gov would feel the same way about how to handle cell phone disruptions from their students. Yet, you seems to see teachers as a monolith.

You said earlier:

"I’m worried these people are teaching their kids that they should have the same privileges as their adult teachers. One of my colleagues texted me that we were out of Kleenex and some kid told her that her father said teachers shouldn’t be allowed on their phones, either. As you can imagine, she was really snotty about it. Allowing teenagers to believe that they should have the same privileges as their adult teachers is a mistake. That kind of thing is what is ruining education."

That certainly sounds like a disruption from using the phone.

That was a different poster. Oh my goodness. Yikes!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.

Except it was disruptive according to your story.

You illustrated the problem with allowing teachers to use their phones during the day remarkably well.

There is a serious reading comprehension issue. The use of the cell phone by the teacher PREVENTED disruption in the classroom.

You obviously didn't read her story. Try again.

Haha! I'm the example providing poster and using my phone to contact the office meant I got the help I needed and the kids weren't disturbed while working on their assignment. Anyone who has been in a classroom knows that phone calls are too interesting for kids and they will stop what they are doing to listen in. That's pretty clearly an argument in favor of letting teachers have a cell phone.

And you said your texting also caused a disruption with your students, who rightfully questioned why you were allowed to use it during class.

No. I didn't read again:

Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.


The text to the office did not cause a disruption. That's the whole point. It's honestly very clear.

For the record, I never posted about how kids shouldn't have phones. I don't know why, when everything is anonymous, that people assume all posts are coming from one person. Different teachers at different schools and in different grades have different experiences. One shouldn't assume a 5th grade teacher and one teaching AP Gov would feel the same way about how to handle cell phone disruptions from their students. Yet, you seems to see teachers as a monolith.

It’s just some dumb troll trying to stir the pot.

Obviously teachers shouldn’t have the same rules as kids.

And obviously parents don’t get to make the workplace rules for other adults.

Again with the insults! The anti cell phone police are incapable of social media etiquette. Showing us once again why your children can't handle their phones if this is their model.

If PP is going to act like a dumb troll, then I’ll call them a dumb troll.

STFU, dumb troll.

There you go again with the insults. This tells me you can't respond with logic or reason. It also tells me that some parents are the problem their kids can't handle phones.

The appropriate response to inane trolling is to call it out. ESAD.

A troll is not someone who disagrees with you. Your own behavior is trollish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

do students have the same verification?

No. Are students accessing programs with sensitive private information about other students that might require an additional layer of security to access? Use your brains!

Is that how you talk to your students? I can see why you retired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

do students have the same verification?

No. Are students accessing programs with sensitive private information about other students that might require an additional layer of security to access? Use your brains!

Is that how you talk to your students? I can see why you retired.

You are responding to a DP, not me who posted as the retiree substitute.

I don’t speak to students that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

do students have the same verification?

No. Are students accessing programs with sensitive private information about other students that might require an additional layer of security to access? Use your brains!

Is that how you talk to your students? I can see why you retired.

DP. What's wrong with a teacher telling students to use their brains?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.

Except it was disruptive according to your story.

You illustrated the problem with allowing teachers to use their phones during the day remarkably well.

There is a serious reading comprehension issue. The use of the cell phone by the teacher PREVENTED disruption in the classroom.

You obviously didn't read her story. Try again.

Haha! I'm the example providing poster and using my phone to contact the office meant I got the help I needed and the kids weren't disturbed while working on their assignment. Anyone who has been in a classroom knows that phone calls are too interesting for kids and they will stop what they are doing to listen in. That's pretty clearly an argument in favor of letting teachers have a cell phone.

And you said your texting also caused a disruption with your students, who rightfully questioned why you were allowed to use it during class.

No. I didn't read again:

Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.


The text to the office did not cause a disruption. That's the whole point. It's honestly very clear.

For the record, I never posted about how kids shouldn't have phones. I don't know why, when everything is anonymous, that people assume all posts are coming from one person. Different teachers at different schools and in different grades have different experiences. One shouldn't assume a 5th grade teacher and one teaching AP Gov would feel the same way about how to handle cell phone disruptions from their students. Yet, you seems to see teachers as a monolith.

It’s just some dumb troll trying to stir the pot.

Obviously teachers shouldn’t have the same rules as kids.

And obviously parents don’t get to make the workplace rules for other adults.

Again with the insults! The anti cell phone police are incapable of social media etiquette. Showing us once again why your children can't handle their phones if this is their model.

If PP is going to act like a dumb troll, then I’ll call them a dumb troll.

STFU, dumb troll.

There you go again with the insults. This tells me you can't respond with logic or reason. It also tells me that some parents are the problem their kids can't handle phones.

The appropriate response to inane trolling is to call it out. ESAD.

A troll is not someone who disagrees with you. Your own behavior is trollish.

A troll is someone who intentionally misrepresents what other posters say just to stir the pot.

Trolls should STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

eh I'm sure there are workarounds. What is a sub doesn't have a personal phone? Equity!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

eh I'm sure there are workarounds. What is a sub doesn't have a personal phone? Equity!

1. Any APS employee needs to be able to complete 2-step verification to access their email.
2. A substitute isn't going to need to access their email or Google to conduct class. The students have access to whatever Google docs they need, and the regular teacher will leave the necessary materials, info, instructions for the substitute. No (short-term) substitute is accessing student or class records.
3. "What if a regular full-time teacher doesn't have a personal phone????"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

eh I'm sure there are workarounds. What is a sub doesn't have a personal phone? Equity!

1. Any APS employee needs to be able to complete 2-step verification to access their email.
2. A substitute isn't going to need to access their email or Google to conduct class. The students have access to whatever Google docs they need, and the regular teacher will leave the necessary materials, info, instructions for the substitute. No (short-term) substitute is accessing student or class records.
3. "What if a regular full-time teacher doesn't have a personal phone????"

As a sub I need to sometime access Google Slides for lessons, station rotation charts, dismissal procedures, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.

Except it was disruptive according to your story.

You illustrated the problem with allowing teachers to use their phones during the day remarkably well.

There is a serious reading comprehension issue. The use of the cell phone by the teacher PREVENTED disruption in the classroom.

You obviously didn't read her story. Try again.

Haha! I'm the example providing poster and using my phone to contact the office meant I got the help I needed and the kids weren't disturbed while working on their assignment. Anyone who has been in a classroom knows that phone calls are too interesting for kids and they will stop what they are doing to listen in. That's pretty clearly an argument in favor of letting teachers have a cell phone.

And you said your texting also caused a disruption with your students, who rightfully questioned why you were allowed to use it during class.

No. I didn't read again:

Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.


The text to the office did not cause a disruption. That's the whole point. It's honestly very clear.

For the record, I never posted about how kids shouldn't have phones. I don't know why, when everything is anonymous, that people assume all posts are coming from one person. Different teachers at different schools and in different grades have different experiences. One shouldn't assume a 5th grade teacher and one teaching AP Gov would feel the same way about how to handle cell phone disruptions from their students. Yet, you seems to see teachers as a monolith.

It’s just some dumb troll trying to stir the pot.

Obviously teachers shouldn’t have the same rules as kids.

And obviously parents don’t get to make the workplace rules for other adults.

Again with the insults! The anti cell phone police are incapable of social media etiquette. Showing us once again why your children can't handle their phones if this is their model.

If PP is going to act like a dumb troll, then I’ll call them a dumb troll.

STFU, dumb troll.

There you go again with the insults. This tells me you can't respond with logic or reason. It also tells me that some parents are the problem their kids can't handle phones.

The appropriate response to inane trolling is to call it out. ESAD.

A troll is not someone who disagrees with you. Your own behavior is trollish.

A troll is someone who intentionally misrepresents what other posters say just to stir the pot.

Trolls should STFU.

Oh honey, your anger isn't healthy. I will pray for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

eh I'm sure there are workarounds. What is a sub doesn't have a personal phone? Equity!

1. Any APS employee needs to be able to complete 2-step verification to access their email.
2. A substitute isn't going to need to access their email or Google to conduct class. The students have access to whatever Google docs they need, and the regular teacher will leave the necessary materials, info, instructions for the substitute. No (short-term) substitute is accessing student or class records.
3. "What if a regular full-time teacher doesn't have a personal phone????"

As a sub I need to sometime access Google Slides for lessons, station rotation charts, dismissal procedures, etc.

I'm sure those can be printed out, just like everyone said students could workaround not having their phones.