New Policy: APS school board adopts all-day ban on student phone use, makes one exception

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

do students have the same verification?

No. Are students accessing programs with sensitive private information about other students that might require an additional layer of security to access? Use your brains!

No, students are not accessing other students' information but they are accessing their OWN private information. There are a lot of times when I need to complete a 2 step verification to access my OWN information, such as when I log into online banking accounts. Have you really never experienced this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

do students have the same verification?

No. Are students accessing programs with sensitive private information about other students that might require an additional layer of security to access? Use your brains!

No, students are not accessing other students' information but they are accessing their OWN private information. There are a lot of times when I need to complete a 2 step verification to access my OWN information, such as when I log into online banking accounts. Have you really never experienced this?

Students do not need 2-step verification to access their own information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

do students have the same verification?

No. Are students accessing programs with sensitive private information about other students that might require an additional layer of security to access? Use your brains!

No, students are not accessing other students' information but they are accessing their OWN private information. There are a lot of times when I need to complete a 2 step verification to access my OWN information, such as when I log into online banking accounts. Have you really never experienced this?

Students do not need 2-step verification to access their own information.

Maybe they should. APS is pretty lax in its controls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

do students have the same verification?

No. Are students accessing programs with sensitive private information about other students that might require an additional layer of security to access? Use your brains!

No, students are not accessing other students' information but they are accessing their OWN private information. There are a lot of times when I need to complete a 2 step verification to access my OWN information, such as when I log into online banking accounts. Have you really never experienced this?

I’m sure your 14 year old can BANK at home.

While at school they shouldn’t be accessing their private accounts anyways, the school laptops are for education not banking or instagram or whatever.

2 factor for APS accounts could be implemented a number of ways, but most computers cache login for a long time, so this would be an infrequent request, and it could be implemented via an app on the computer or a token that the teachers have access to.

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Anonymous wrote:Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.

Except it was disruptive according to your story.

You illustrated the problem with allowing teachers to use their phones during the day remarkably well.

There is a serious reading comprehension issue. The use of the cell phone by the teacher PREVENTED disruption in the classroom.

You obviously didn't read her story. Try again.

Haha! I'm the example providing poster and using my phone to contact the office meant I got the help I needed and the kids weren't disturbed while working on their assignment. Anyone who has been in a classroom knows that phone calls are too interesting for kids and they will stop what they are doing to listen in. That's pretty clearly an argument in favor of letting teachers have a cell phone.

And you said your texting also caused a disruption with your students, who rightfully questioned why you were allowed to use it during class.

No. I didn't read again:

Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.


The text to the office did not cause a disruption. That's the whole point. It's honestly very clear.

For the record, I never posted about how kids shouldn't have phones. I don't know why, when everything is anonymous, that people assume all posts are coming from one person. Different teachers at different schools and in different grades have different experiences. One shouldn't assume a 5th grade teacher and one teaching AP Gov would feel the same way about how to handle cell phone disruptions from their students. Yet, you seems to see teachers as a monolith.

It’s just some dumb troll trying to stir the pot.

Obviously teachers shouldn’t have the same rules as kids.

And obviously parents don’t get to make the workplace rules for other adults.

Again with the insults! The anti cell phone police are incapable of social media etiquette. Showing us once again why your children can't handle their phones if this is their model.

If PP is going to act like a dumb troll, then I’ll call them a dumb troll.

STFU, dumb troll.

There you go again with the insults. This tells me you can't respond with logic or reason. It also tells me that some parents are the problem their kids can't handle phones.

The appropriate response to inane trolling is to call it out. ESAD.

A troll is not someone who disagrees with you. Your own behavior is trollish.

A troll is someone who intentionally misrepresents what other posters say just to stir the pot.

Trolls should STFU.

Oh honey, your anger isn't healthy. I will pray for you.

Yes, we know you’re one of those kinds of kunts.

As I said, trolls should STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

eh I'm sure there are workarounds. What is a sub doesn't have a personal phone? Equity!

1. Any APS employee needs to be able to complete 2-step verification to access their email.
2. A substitute isn't going to need to access their email or Google to conduct class. The students have access to whatever Google docs they need, and the regular teacher will leave the necessary materials, info, instructions for the substitute. No (short-term) substitute is accessing student or class records.
3. "What if a regular full-time teacher doesn't have a personal phone????"

As a sub I need to sometime access Google Slides for lessons, station rotation charts, dismissal procedures, etc.

I'm sure those can be printed out, just like everyone said students could workaround not having their phones.

No. There is no need to make teachers’ and subs’ lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

do students have the same verification?

No. Are students accessing programs with sensitive private information about other students that might require an additional layer of security to access? Use your brains!

No, students are not accessing other students' information but they are accessing their OWN private information. There are a lot of times when I need to complete a 2 step verification to access my OWN information, such as when I log into online banking accounts. Have you really never experienced this?

I’m sure your 14 year old can BANK at home.

While at school they shouldn’t be accessing their private accounts anyways, the school laptops are for education not banking or instagram or whatever.

2 factor for APS accounts could be implemented a number of ways, but most computers cache login for a long time, so this would be an infrequent request, and it could be implemented via an app on the computer or a token that the teachers have access to.

Or just let them keep doing what is working today.

No need to go to extreme measures because some parents have raging anxieties and rigid fixations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

eh I'm sure there are workarounds. What is a sub doesn't have a personal phone? Equity!

1. Any APS employee needs to be able to complete 2-step verification to access their email.
2. A substitute isn't going to need to access their email or Google to conduct class. The students have access to whatever Google docs they need, and the regular teacher will leave the necessary materials, info, instructions for the substitute. No (short-term) substitute is accessing student or class records.
3. "What if a regular full-time teacher doesn't have a personal phone????"

As a sub I need to sometime access Google Slides for lessons, station rotation charts, dismissal procedures, etc.

I'm sure those can be printed out, just like everyone said students could workaround not having their phones.

No. There is no need to make teachers’ and subs’ lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents.

Well there was apparently a need to make kids and parents lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents who would rather blame phones over their own bad parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

eh I'm sure there are workarounds. What is a sub doesn't have a personal phone? Equity!

1. Any APS employee needs to be able to complete 2-step verification to access their email.
2. A substitute isn't going to need to access their email or Google to conduct class. The students have access to whatever Google docs they need, and the regular teacher will leave the necessary materials, info, instructions for the substitute. No (short-term) substitute is accessing student or class records.
3. "What if a regular full-time teacher doesn't have a personal phone????"

As a sub I need to sometime access Google Slides for lessons, station rotation charts, dismissal procedures, etc.

I'm sure those can be printed out, just like everyone said students could workaround not having their phones.

No. There is no need to make teachers’ and subs’ lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents.

Well there was apparently a need to make kids and parents lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents who would rather blame phones over their own bad parenting.

If teachers don’t want kids to have phones in the classroom, I 100% support that.

Parents don’t get to make up dumb ass rules for teachers though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

eh I'm sure there are workarounds. What is a sub doesn't have a personal phone? Equity!

1. Any APS employee needs to be able to complete 2-step verification to access their email.
2. A substitute isn't going to need to access their email or Google to conduct class. The students have access to whatever Google docs they need, and the regular teacher will leave the necessary materials, info, instructions for the substitute. No (short-term) substitute is accessing student or class records.
3. "What if a regular full-time teacher doesn't have a personal phone????"

As a sub I need to sometime access Google Slides for lessons, station rotation charts, dismissal procedures, etc.

I'm sure those can be printed out, just like everyone said students could workaround not having their phones.

No. There is no need to make teachers’ and subs’ lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents.

Well there was apparently a need to make kids and parents lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents who would rather blame phones over their own bad parenting.

It’s not the parents. Did you watch the school board presentation? Teachers do not want phones in schools. That’s the reason the policy passed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

eh I'm sure there are workarounds. What is a sub doesn't have a personal phone? Equity!

1. Any APS employee needs to be able to complete 2-step verification to access their email.
2. A substitute isn't going to need to access their email or Google to conduct class. The students have access to whatever Google docs they need, and the regular teacher will leave the necessary materials, info, instructions for the substitute. No (short-term) substitute is accessing student or class records.
3. "What if a regular full-time teacher doesn't have a personal phone????"

As a sub I need to sometime access Google Slides for lessons, station rotation charts, dismissal procedures, etc.

I'm sure those can be printed out, just like everyone said students could workaround not having their phones.

No. There is no need to make teachers’ and subs’ lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents.

Well there was apparently a need to make kids and parents lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents who would rather blame phones over their own bad parenting.

It’s not the parents. Did you watch the school board presentation? Teachers do not want phones in schools. That’s the reason the policy passed.

Oh my God! If you really think that they actually care about what teachers say, then you’re stupider than I thought. Parents. They care what the parents say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.

Except it was disruptive according to your story.

You illustrated the problem with allowing teachers to use their phones during the day remarkably well.

There is a serious reading comprehension issue. The use of the cell phone by the teacher PREVENTED disruption in the classroom.

You obviously didn't read her story. Try again.

Haha! I'm the example providing poster and using my phone to contact the office meant I got the help I needed and the kids weren't disturbed while working on their assignment. Anyone who has been in a classroom knows that phone calls are too interesting for kids and they will stop what they are doing to listen in. That's pretty clearly an argument in favor of letting teachers have a cell phone.

And you said your texting also caused a disruption with your students, who rightfully questioned why you were allowed to use it during class.

No. I didn't read again:

Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.


The text to the office did not cause a disruption. That's the whole point. It's honestly very clear.

For the record, I never posted about how kids shouldn't have phones. I don't know why, when everything is anonymous, that people assume all posts are coming from one person. Different teachers at different schools and in different grades have different experiences. One shouldn't assume a 5th grade teacher and one teaching AP Gov would feel the same way about how to handle cell phone disruptions from their students. Yet, you seems to see teachers as a monolith.

It’s just some dumb troll trying to stir the pot.

Obviously teachers shouldn’t have the same rules as kids.

And obviously parents don’t get to make the workplace rules for other adults.

Again with the insults! The anti cell phone police are incapable of social media etiquette. Showing us once again why your children can't handle their phones if this is their model.

If PP is going to act like a dumb troll, then I’ll call them a dumb troll.

STFU, dumb troll.

There you go again with the insults. This tells me you can't respond with logic or reason. It also tells me that some parents are the problem their kids can't handle phones.

The appropriate response to inane trolling is to call it out. ESAD.

A troll is not someone who disagrees with you. Your own behavior is trollish.

A troll is someone who intentionally misrepresents what other posters say just to stir the pot.

Trolls should STFU.

Oh honey, your anger isn't healthy. I will pray for you.

Yes, we know you’re one of those kinds of kunts.

As I said, trolls should STFU.

Oh so angry! I will pray harder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.

Except it was disruptive according to your story.

You illustrated the problem with allowing teachers to use their phones during the day remarkably well.

There is a serious reading comprehension issue. The use of the cell phone by the teacher PREVENTED disruption in the classroom.

You obviously didn't read her story. Try again.

Haha! I'm the example providing poster and using my phone to contact the office meant I got the help I needed and the kids weren't disturbed while working on their assignment. Anyone who has been in a classroom knows that phone calls are too interesting for kids and they will stop what they are doing to listen in. That's pretty clearly an argument in favor of letting teachers have a cell phone.

And you said your texting also caused a disruption with your students, who rightfully questioned why you were allowed to use it during class.

No. I didn't read again:

Not that it's needed, but here's a simple example of how a cell phone was helpful for me, a grown up, while teaching in a classroom. Perhaps I needed assistance in my classroom and my kids were reading quietly. I could text the office and ask for someone to be sent down. The kids wouldn't be disturbed, like if I had called on the landline, and we'd get the support we needed. No harm. No foul. Cell phones aren't the horrible thing some make them out to be.


The text to the office did not cause a disruption. That's the whole point. It's honestly very clear.

For the record, I never posted about how kids shouldn't have phones. I don't know why, when everything is anonymous, that people assume all posts are coming from one person. Different teachers at different schools and in different grades have different experiences. One shouldn't assume a 5th grade teacher and one teaching AP Gov would feel the same way about how to handle cell phone disruptions from their students. Yet, you seems to see teachers as a monolith.

It’s just some dumb troll trying to stir the pot.

Obviously teachers shouldn’t have the same rules as kids.

And obviously parents don’t get to make the workplace rules for other adults.

Again with the insults! The anti cell phone police are incapable of social media etiquette. Showing us once again why your children can't handle their phones if this is their model.

If PP is going to act like a dumb troll, then I’ll call them a dumb troll.

STFU, dumb troll.

There you go again with the insults. This tells me you can't respond with logic or reason. It also tells me that some parents are the problem their kids can't handle phones.

The appropriate response to inane trolling is to call it out. ESAD.

A troll is not someone who disagrees with you. Your own behavior is trollish.

A troll is someone who intentionally misrepresents what other posters say just to stir the pot.

Trolls should STFU.

Oh honey, your anger isn't healthy. I will pray for you.

Yes, we know you’re one of those kinds of kunts.

As I said, trolls should STFU.

Oh so angry! I will pray harder.

Of course you will. Like the hypocritical POS that you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a retired teacher, now substitute. I had to get my phone out 3 times today to complete 2-step verifications to access email and Google.

Seems like a legitimate use.

eh I'm sure there are workarounds. What is a sub doesn't have a personal phone? Equity!

1. Any APS employee needs to be able to complete 2-step verification to access their email.
2. A substitute isn't going to need to access their email or Google to conduct class. The students have access to whatever Google docs they need, and the regular teacher will leave the necessary materials, info, instructions for the substitute. No (short-term) substitute is accessing student or class records.
3. "What if a regular full-time teacher doesn't have a personal phone????"

As a sub I need to sometime access Google Slides for lessons, station rotation charts, dismissal procedures, etc.

I'm sure those can be printed out, just like everyone said students could workaround not having their phones.

No. There is no need to make teachers’ and subs’ lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents.

Well there was apparently a need to make kids and parents lives more difficult just to appease some mentally ill parents who would rather blame phones over their own bad parenting.

It’s not the parents. Did you watch the school board presentation? Teachers do not want phones in schools. That’s the reason the policy passed.

Oh my God! If you really think that they actually care about what teachers say, then you’re stupider than I thought. Parents. They care what the parents say.

Um, you are VERY uninformed if you beieve this in Arlington County.