Impact of McLean/Langley boundary change on McLean real estate choice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here- this is my first response, what a strange thread this turned out to be. I don’t live in an area getting rezoned, by the way. That was an incorrect assumption. Rezoning has nothing to do with why we are moving.

We have to leave our current Langley pyramid home as a result of a divorce and I want to make sure that the new home is also in the Langley pyramid so my middle schooler doesn’t have to go through more change. This was on the advice of a therapist. Are you happy?

(I’m a traitor? Wtf?)

Langley district isn't a budget friendly place for divorcees unless you married Jeff bezos

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi OP: first of all, sorry for your situation, sounds like you are wisely planning ahead and trying to make the best of it, and second of all, sorry for how most of this thread turned out (seems like mainly one weird poster).

My .02 is I'd expect most of the current Spring Hill and Churchill Road ES areas to remain at Langley. Probably Colvin Run too? Maybe Great Falls also? But probably not Forestville I'd guess. But I'd think there could also be some reshuffling... e.g. parts of Colvin Run or GF ES could go to Forestville, part of Colvin Run could go to GF, Colvin Run could pick up some or all of the Westbriar island, Westbriar could pick up part of SH near Tysons, etc. Point being those areas seem much more likely to see some form adjustments (not necessarily the ones I just listed, only examples of potential shifts) versus the current Spring Hill (north of 267/7) and Churchill Road ES areas, so that's where I'd focus if you want to ensure Langley assignment long-term. The more north and/or east in those zones the lower the risk, as transportation-wise those areas have shortest travel distance to Langley and hence seem least likely to get juggled.

It's possible part of Franklin Sherman could get rezoned to Langley, but this seems much less likely given they just redid the ES boundaries of McLean pyramid in the past year and probably would want to avoid a second move in such quick succession nor create a split feeder. They could though move the entirety of Franklin Sherman to Langley, and possibly move Lemon Road and/or Westgate to McLean (eliminating split feeders), maybe shifting Timber Lane to Marshall? That runs counter to balancing FARMS percentages (by removing TL from McLean), but does remove an attendance island which is another priority factor they're considering.

Point is, I'd anticipate a lot of the shifts won't necessarily be because there's an obvious immediate need to move a specific area, but might be the result of cascading effects from elsewhere, which brings me back to my point that the closer you are to Langley within it's current zone, the lower the risk of getting moved to another school.

Best of luck!

Forestville is a no brainer to be sent to Herndon.

I would avoid Forestville if Langley is the goal.

Many neighborhoods (Holly Knoll) are 10 mins drive to HHS vs 30 min plus to LHS.

It won’t happen for a few years, but it’s really only a matter of time.

With the growth planned for Herndon, there isn’t any room. The school board is starting to see this too.

No. The Shouse move to Langley will be fully implemented in SY2025-26. CIP SY2028-29 has Langley at 98% and that is before any changes from this process. The Langley location removes it from any logical change for receiving students from anywhere but Mclean HS except for the weird stuff along Route 7 that's at Marshall. That could end up at Madison or South Lakes? I have no clue.

Meanwhile the sheer geographic scope of the Langley boundary includes Herndon addresses that vote at Herndon HS. Those households attend Forestville. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-2025Region1withSchoolLocations.pdf Forestville attendance area has many schools bordering it and one with a really funky map is Dranesville with a long tail.

I have no clue on who will attend Dranesville ES which is being expanded to 1000 seats which includes a large addition but that addition including classrooms removes the large difference between design and program capacity. Lower class size ratios mean more classroom required at any site. . CIP FY2022-26:
Dranesville ES design 1,008 program 834

Looks like someone is reading last year’s news. Langley and McLean sept ‘24 numbers dropped significantly from the recent CIP projections, and the projections for the upcoming CIP will reflect that. In fact there is room now for the Tyson’s attendance island to move to Langley and still not overcrowd the school.

It’s an equity-minded dream to move western GF, but it’s not supported by the current membership numbers whatsoever.

And I didn’t read anything in your post about Herndon middle school, which is the school at most risk of overcrowding in that neck of the woods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like someone is reading last year’s news. Langley and McLean sept ‘24 numbers dropped significantly from the recent CIP projections, and the projections for the upcoming CIP will reflect that. In fact there is room now for the Tyson’s attendance island to move to Langley and still not overcrowd the school.

It’s an equity-minded dream to move western GF, but it’s not supported by the current membership numbers whatsoever.

And I didn’t read anything in your post about Herndon middle school, which is the school at most risk of overcrowding in that neck of the woods.

How many students are at McLean HS in 2024 vs. 2023? My DS graduated from McLean in 2023 and his graduation had over 750 students. My DS graduated in '21 and her class had almost 800 students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like someone is reading last year’s news. Langley and McLean sept ‘24 numbers dropped significantly from the recent CIP projections, and the projections for the upcoming CIP will reflect that. In fact there is room now for the Tyson’s attendance island to move to Langley and still not overcrowd the school.

It’s an equity-minded dream to move western GF, but it’s not supported by the current membership numbers whatsoever.

And I didn’t read anything in your post about Herndon middle school, which is the school at most risk of overcrowding in that neck of the woods.

How many students are at McLean HS in 2024 vs. 2023? My DS graduated from McLean in 2023 and his graduation had over 750 students. My DS graduated in '21 and her class had almost 800 students.

McLean is currently overcapacity but eliminating the attendance islands by moving one to Langley and the other too falls church high solves the overcrowding. They projected 62 more students this year than actually materialized.

Classes are right around 600 per year right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like someone is reading last year’s news. Langley and McLean sept ‘24 numbers dropped significantly from the recent CIP projections, and the projections for the upcoming CIP will reflect that. In fact there is room now for the Tyson’s attendance island to move to Langley and still not overcrowd the school.

It’s an equity-minded dream to move western GF, but it’s not supported by the current membership numbers whatsoever.

And I didn’t read anything in your post about Herndon middle school, which is the school at most risk of overcrowding in that neck of the woods.

How many students are at McLean HS in 2024 vs. 2023? My DS graduated from McLean in 2023 and his graduation had over 750 students. My DS graduated in '21 and her class had almost 800 students.

McLean HS had 2419 students last month, down 16 students from October 2023.

It had 624 seniors in June 2023 and 574 seniors in June 2021. Your numbers are significantly inflated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like someone is reading last year’s news. Langley and McLean sept ‘24 numbers dropped significantly from the recent CIP projections, and the projections for the upcoming CIP will reflect that. In fact there is room now for the Tyson’s attendance island to move to Langley and still not overcrowd the school.

It’s an equity-minded dream to move western GF, but it’s not supported by the current membership numbers whatsoever.

And I didn’t read anything in your post about Herndon middle school, which is the school at most risk of overcrowding in that neck of the woods.

How many students are at McLean HS in 2024 vs. 2023? My DS graduated from McLean in 2023 and his graduation had over 750 students. My DS graduated in '21 and her class had almost 800 students.

McLean HS had 2419 students last month, down 16 students from October 2023.

It had 624 seniors in June 2023 and 574 seniors in June 2021. Your numbers are significantly inflated.

source?

[Anonymous]

Some people on here are angry because they are about to be rezoned to a hood school district. It's understandable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like someone is reading last year’s news. Langley and McLean sept ‘24 numbers dropped significantly from the recent CIP projections, and the projections for the upcoming CIP will reflect that. In fact there is room now for the Tyson’s attendance island to move to Langley and still not overcrowd the school.

It’s an equity-minded dream to move western GF, but it’s not supported by the current membership numbers whatsoever.

And I didn’t read anything in your post about Herndon middle school, which is the school at most risk of overcrowding in that neck of the woods.

How many students are at McLean HS in 2024 vs. 2023? My DS graduated from McLean in 2023 and his graduation had over 750 students. My DS graduated in '21 and her class had almost 800 students.

McLean HS had 2419 students last month, down 16 students from October 2023.

It had 624 seniors in June 2023 and 574 seniors in June 2021. Your numbers are significantly inflated.

source?

The McLean high school website. Go to membership.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like someone is reading last year’s news. Langley and McLean sept ‘24 numbers dropped significantly from the recent CIP projections, and the projections for the upcoming CIP will reflect that. In fact there is room now for the Tyson’s attendance island to move to Langley and still not overcrowd the school.

It’s an equity-minded dream to move western GF, but it’s not supported by the current membership numbers whatsoever.

And I didn’t read anything in your post about Herndon middle school, which is the school at most risk of overcrowding in that neck of the woods.

How many students are at McLean HS in 2024 vs. 2023? My DS graduated from McLean in 2023 and his graduation had over 750 students. My DS graduated in '21 and her class had almost 800 students.

McLean HS had 2419 students last month, down 16 students from October 2023.

It had 624 seniors in June 2023 and 574 seniors in June 2021. Your numbers are significantly inflated.

source?

FCPS monthly membership reports, available on the FCPS web site.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/performance-and-accountability/student-reporting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Moving residences is also disruptive. This does not seem to be a logical solution.

It is not the PUBLIC SCHOOL's system responsibility to deal with you or your child not being able to handle change. If anything they are forcing you to develop life skills that you will need to use multiple times throughout your life.

Thanks Robin Lady. We'll toughen those kids right up.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi OP: first of all, sorry for your situation, sounds like you are wisely planning ahead and trying to make the best of it, and second of all, sorry for how most of this thread turned out (seems like mainly one weird poster).

My .02 is I'd expect most of the current Spring Hill and Churchill Road ES areas to remain at Langley. Probably Colvin Run too? Maybe Great Falls also? But probably not Forestville I'd guess. But I'd think there could also be some reshuffling... e.g. parts of Colvin Run or GF ES could go to Forestville, part of Colvin Run could go to GF, Colvin Run could pick up some or all of the Westbriar island, Westbriar could pick up part of SH near Tysons, etc. Point being those areas seem much more likely to see some form adjustments (not necessarily the ones I just listed, only examples of potential shifts) versus the current Spring Hill (north of 267/7) and Churchill Road ES areas, so that's where I'd focus if you want to ensure Langley assignment long-term. The more north and/or east in those zones the lower the risk, as transportation-wise those areas have shortest travel distance to Langley and hence seem least likely to get juggled.

It's possible part of Franklin Sherman could get rezoned to Langley, but this seems much less likely given they just redid the ES boundaries of McLean pyramid in the past year and probably would want to avoid a second move in such quick succession nor create a split feeder. They could though move the entirety of Franklin Sherman to Langley, and possibly move Lemon Road and/or Westgate to McLean (eliminating split feeders), maybe shifting Timber Lane to Marshall? That runs counter to balancing FARMS percentages (by removing TL from McLean), but does remove an attendance island which is another priority factor they're considering.

Point is, I'd anticipate a lot of the shifts won't necessarily be because there's an obvious immediate need to move a specific area, but might be the result of cascading effects from elsewhere, which brings me back to my point that the closer you are to Langley within it's current zone, the lower the risk of getting moved to another school.

Best of luck!

Forestville is a no brainer to be sent to Herndon.

I would avoid Forestville if Langley is the goal.

Many neighborhoods (Holly Knoll) are 10 mins drive to HHS vs 30 min plus to LHS.

It won’t happen for a few years, but it’s really only a matter of time.

With the growth planned for Herndon, there isn’t any room. The school board is starting to see this too.

No. The Shouse move to Langley will be fully implemented in SY2025-26. CIP SY2028-29 has Langley at 98% and that is before any changes from this process. The Langley location removes it from any logical change for receiving students from anywhere but Mclean HS except for the weird stuff along Route 7 that's at Marshall. That could end up at Madison or South Lakes? I have no clue.

Meanwhile the sheer geographic scope of the Langley boundary includes Herndon addresses that vote at Herndon HS. Those households attend Forestville. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-2025Region1withSchoolLocations.pdf Forestville attendance area has many schools bordering it and one with a really funky map is Dranesville with a long tail.

I have no clue on who will attend Dranesville ES which is being expanded to 1000 seats which includes a large addition but that addition including classrooms removes the large difference between design and program capacity. Lower class size ratios mean more classroom required at any site. . CIP FY2022-26:
Dranesville ES design 1,008 program 834

Looks like someone is reading last year’s news. Langley and McLean sept ‘24 numbers dropped significantly from the recent CIP projections, and the projections for the upcoming CIP will reflect that. In fact there is room now for the Tyson’s attendance island to move to Langley and still not overcrowd the school.

It’s an equity-minded dream to move western GF, but it’s not supported by the current membership numbers whatsoever.

And I didn’t read anything in your post about Herndon middle school, which is the school at most risk of overcrowding in that neck of the woods.

My post had zero to do with equity if you are applying the word to FARMS and ESL %. Keep blathering about Herndon which got an addition and is now larger than Langley. Actual FCPS projected less October 2034 membership and avg per grade level:
Langley HS (37) (9.25) 93% program capacity pre full CRES and any more from Mclean
Cooper MS (51) (25.50)
Churchill Road with out modular 35 5.00 -program capacity 133%
Colvin Run (24) (3.43)
Forestville (44) (6.29)
Great Falls (35) (5.00)
Spring Hill (17) (2.43) program capacity 100%

Yes Herndon middle school capacity is an issue - should have AAP - add back in Hughes current feed and it can't hold another school unless something comes out. No one knows what will happen - ES converted to 6-8 MS so select ES have 2 years of pre k for all?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like someone is reading last year’s news. Langley and McLean sept ‘24 numbers dropped significantly from the recent CIP projections, and the projections for the upcoming CIP will reflect that. In fact there is room now for the Tyson’s attendance island to move to Langley and still not overcrowd the school.

It’s an equity-minded dream to move western GF, but it’s not supported by the current membership numbers whatsoever.

And I didn’t read anything in your post about Herndon middle school, which is the school at most risk of overcrowding in that neck of the woods.

How many students are at McLean HS in 2024 vs. 2023? My DS graduated from McLean in 2023 and his graduation had over 750 students. My DS graduated in '21 and her class had almost 800 students.

McLean HS had 2419 students last month, down 16 students from October 2023.

It had 624 seniors in June 2023 and 574 seniors in June 2021. Your numbers are significantly inflated.

source?

FCPS monthly membership reports, available on the FCPS web site.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/performance-and-accountability/student-reporting

Anyone actually verifies that the data is not rigged?

[Anonymous]

They don’t have an incentive to under-report the number of students. More students means more money and more teachers for the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some people on here are angry because they are about to be rezoned to a hood school district. It's understandable.

Sniveling Sandy Anderson has entered the chat!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi OP: first of all, sorry for your situation, sounds like you are wisely planning ahead and trying to make the best of it, and second of all, sorry for how most of this thread turned out (seems like mainly one weird poster).

My .02 is I'd expect most of the current Spring Hill and Churchill Road ES areas to remain at Langley. Probably Colvin Run too? Maybe Great Falls also? But probably not Forestville I'd guess. But I'd think there could also be some reshuffling... e.g. parts of Colvin Run or GF ES could go to Forestville, part of Colvin Run could go to GF, Colvin Run could pick up some or all of the Westbriar island, Westbriar could pick up part of SH near Tysons, etc. Point being those areas seem much more likely to see some form adjustments (not necessarily the ones I just listed, only examples of potential shifts) versus the current Spring Hill (north of 267/7) and Churchill Road ES areas, so that's where I'd focus if you want to ensure Langley assignment long-term. The more north and/or east in those zones the lower the risk, as transportation-wise those areas have shortest travel distance to Langley and hence seem least likely to get juggled.

It's possible part of Franklin Sherman could get rezoned to Langley, but this seems much less likely given they just redid the ES boundaries of McLean pyramid in the past year and probably would want to avoid a second move in such quick succession nor create a split feeder. They could though move the entirety of Franklin Sherman to Langley, and possibly move Lemon Road and/or Westgate to McLean (eliminating split feeders), maybe shifting Timber Lane to Marshall? That runs counter to balancing FARMS percentages (by removing TL from McLean), but does remove an attendance island which is another priority factor they're considering.

Point is, I'd anticipate a lot of the shifts won't necessarily be because there's an obvious immediate need to move a specific area, but might be the result of cascading effects from elsewhere, which brings me back to my point that the closer you are to Langley within it's current zone, the lower the risk of getting moved to another school.

Best of luck!

Forestville is a no brainer to be sent to Herndon.

I would avoid Forestville if Langley is the goal.

Many neighborhoods (Holly Knoll) are 10 mins drive to HHS vs 30 min plus to LHS.

It won’t happen for a few years, but it’s really only a matter of time.

With the growth planned for Herndon, there isn’t any room. The school board is starting to see this too.

No. The Shouse move to Langley will be fully implemented in SY2025-26. CIP SY2028-29 has Langley at 98% and that is before any changes from this process. The Langley location removes it from any logical change for receiving students from anywhere but Mclean HS except for the weird stuff along Route 7 that's at Marshall. That could end up at Madison or South Lakes? I have no clue.

Meanwhile the sheer geographic scope of the Langley boundary includes Herndon addresses that vote at Herndon HS. Those households attend Forestville. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-2025Region1withSchoolLocations.pdf Forestville attendance area has many schools bordering it and one with a really funky map is Dranesville with a long tail.

I have no clue on who will attend Dranesville ES which is being expanded to 1000 seats which includes a large addition but that addition including classrooms removes the large difference between design and program capacity. Lower class size ratios mean more classroom required at any site. . CIP FY2022-26:
Dranesville ES design 1,008 program 834

Looks like someone is reading last year’s news. Langley and McLean sept ‘24 numbers dropped significantly from the recent CIP projections, and the projections for the upcoming CIP will reflect that. In fact there is room now for the Tyson’s attendance island to move to Langley and still not overcrowd the school.

It’s an equity-minded dream to move western GF, but it’s not supported by the current membership numbers whatsoever.

And I didn’t read anything in your post about Herndon middle school, which is the school at most risk of overcrowding in that neck of the woods.

My post had zero to do with equity if you are applying the word to FARMS and ESL %. Keep blathering about Herndon which got an addition and is now larger than Langley. Actual FCPS projected less October 2034 membership and avg per grade level:
Langley HS (37) (9.25) 93% program capacity pre full CRES and any more from Mclean
Cooper MS (51) (25.50)
Churchill Road with out modular 35 5.00 -program capacity 133%
Colvin Run (24) (3.43)
Forestville (44) (6.29)
Great Falls (35) (5.00)
Spring Hill (17) (2.43) program capacity 100%

Yes Herndon middle school capacity is an issue - should have AAP - add back in Hughes current feed and it can't hold another school unless something comes out. No one knows what will happen - ES converted to 6-8 MS so select ES have 2 years of pre k for all?

DP, but one of the bigger issues they are going to have to confront is the conflict between wanting to align feeder patterns and the mismatch between MS/HS capacities. At present, Herndon MS is too small for Herndon HS, Cooper MS is too small for Langley HS, and McLean HS is too small for Longfellow MS.

An expansion of McLean HS is the most obvious need, but you can also make the argument that Herndon MS needs to be expanded and that they goofed by not planning a bigger expansion of Cooper MS during its ongoing renovation.