Foreign student voted in Michigan

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how it happens. Don't you have to be registered to vote to even physically get a ballot when you show up?


Evidently, Michigan is lenient in these matters. No harm dobe, right? Any vote counts.
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Anonymous wrote:And, he's being prosecuted. Rightly so. One vote is not going to make an election. What if he voted for Trump? The Chinese want Trump to win? Would you still care?

THIS IS NOT A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT YOUR MAGA MASTER SAYS.


Correct.

At most, it probably only happens a half million or so times each national election. Tops. No more than that.


That is fake news from your dear leader. If you can find reputable sources saying that 500K noncitizens are voting for the president then I’ll share your outrage.

I’ll wait….


Every illegal vote cancels a citizen’s vote. It’s a shame you aren’t at all upset by someone being disenfranchised unnecessarily.


Virginia is removing from the voting rolls 1600 people suspecting that they may not be citizens, just days before the election even though state law said this type of actions should not be done in the last 90 days before the election (who knows why Youngkin sat on his a$$ until right before the election to do something). news outlets have already identified a number of people who were canceled who are US citizens, two of them actually born in the US, one of them had no clue she had been cancelled. many more or even all of the 1600 may be citizens, but I bet you could not care less that they are disenfranchised right?



Except VA has same day registration. If a citizen was removed by accident they can register at any day from now until Nov. 5, so none of what you are blathering about matters. Democrats obviously hate any form of security to ensure people voting are citizens. It's truly insane when every other 1st world democracy on the planet does it.
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Anonymous wrote:And, he's being prosecuted. Rightly so. One vote is not going to make an election. What if he voted for Trump? The Chinese want Trump to win? Would you still care?

THIS IS NOT A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT YOUR MAGA MASTER SAYS.


Correct.

At most, it probably only happens a half million or so times each national election. Tops. No more than that.


That is fake news from your dear leader. If you can find reputable sources saying that 500K noncitizens are voting for the president then I’ll share your outrage.

I’ll wait….


Every illegal vote cancels a citizen’s vote. It’s a shame you aren’t at all upset by someone being disenfranchised unnecessarily.


I’m definitely upset about being disenfranchised by the GOP and Trump’s talk about how voting is rigged and tainted and that he will only lose because of voter fraud. That’s scary sh!t and I’m definitely afraid of his bullying states to not certify their electors. I’m definitely afraid of voter disenfranchisement, but not because of one random foreign student at Michigan.


Trump was upset that Pennsylvania was illegally closing voting lines on the last day of mail in ballot requests, at 1:45 pm. The law says the lines had to stay open until five. Luckily a judge agreed and is forcing another day for voters. We just have to hope that those disenfranchised Bucks County voters who were illegally turned away come again to vote.

Surely you would agree with Trump and the judge that Pennsylvania needs to follow the law?

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/philadelphia/news/bucks-county-ballots-mail-lawsuit-pennsylvania-election/


Sounds like election shenanigans.
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Anonymous wrote:Ok here is the Detroit News.

Used a student ID - exactly why Republicans do not support them as voter ID.

And the vote counts.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/30/chinese-university-of-michigan-college-student-voted-presidential-election-michigan-china-benson/75936701007/
I went to UofM and voted absentee in Maryland in my years there . It’s shocking they would take student id since tons of nonresidents attend Michigan


If they are attending Michigan they are residents of Michigan.


Nope.


College students should not be able to register to vote in at their university location unless they pay in state tuition rates or have an in state driver license. It makes no sense that people can vote in a state if the are not even considered a state resident for college tuition purposes.


Then maybe they should not be subject to the state and local laws, taxes, and ordinances while at college. /s

You are being ridiculous. The university is taking their money, they live there for most of the year, many of them work part time and pay taxes, and they are counted in the Census for Congressional apportionment and for formula federal grants to the state and local government. College students should have the same option as members of the military or out-of-state workers who are temporary residents for a few years - you can register and vote at either your hometown or at the location where you reside for school, work, or service. Don't discriminate against college students just because they are less likely to vote for fascists.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And, he's being prosecuted. Rightly so. One vote is not going to make an election. What if he voted for Trump? The Chinese want Trump to win? Would you still care?

THIS IS NOT A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT YOUR MAGA MASTER SAYS.


Correct.

At most, it probably only happens a half million or so times each national election. Tops. No more than that.


That is fake news from your dear leader. If you can find reputable sources saying that 500K noncitizens are voting for the president then I’ll share your outrage.

I’ll wait….


Every illegal vote cancels a citizen’s vote. It’s a shame you aren’t at all upset by someone being disenfranchised unnecessarily.


Virginia is removing from the voting rolls 1600 people suspecting that they may not be citizens, just days before the election even though state law said this type of actions should not be done in the last 90 days before the election (who knows why Youngkin sat on his a$$ until right before the election to do something). news outlets have already identified a number of people who were canceled who are US citizens, two of them actually born in the US, one of them had no clue she had been cancelled. many more or even all of the 1600 may be citizens, but I bet you could not care less that they are disenfranchised right?


1600 people who self-identified as non-citizens and therefore ineligible to vote*
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Though he faces charges his vote will still count



UMich alone has 30,000+ foreign and NY, CA, NJ, PA, DC, and IL students. It's total bulls*** the Democratic Party spends millions of dollars to get these kids to vote in a state they don't actually reside in, don't have driver's licenses in, and will literally never live in full time now or after college. Not just POTUS and U.S. senate elections, these kids have the ability to swing literally every local election. Ann Arbor only has about 120k residents.

And down the street at Michigan State University there are another 15,000+ foreign and out of state kids in East Lansing, which has less than 50k residents.

Especially with mail-in absentees given to everyone, 100% of these kids should be voting in their home states, period.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And, he's being prosecuted. Rightly so. One vote is not going to make an election. What if he voted for Trump? The Chinese want Trump to win? Would you still care?

THIS IS NOT A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT YOUR MAGA MASTER SAYS.


Correct.

At most, it probably only happens a half million or so times each national election. Tops. No more than that.


That is fake news from your dear leader. If you can find reputable sources saying that 500K noncitizens are voting for the president then I’ll share your outrage.

I’ll wait….


Every illegal vote cancels a citizen’s vote. It’s a shame you aren’t at all upset by someone being disenfranchised unnecessarily.


Virginia is removing from the voting rolls 1600 people suspecting that they may not be citizens, just days before the election even though state law said this type of actions should not be done in the last 90 days before the election (who knows why Youngkin sat on his a$$ until right before the election to do something). news outlets have already identified a number of people who were canceled who are US citizens, two of them actually born in the US, one of them had no clue she had been cancelled. many more or even all of the 1600 may be citizens, but I bet you could not care less that they are disenfranchised right?


1600 people who self-identified as non-citizens and therefore ineligible to vote*


Stop lying. They did not self-identify as non-citizens.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:He will have his student visa revoked and will be deported. That is the deterrent.


No chance. The MI SOS, MI AG, and the Washtenaw County prosecutor are all far left radicals.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:He was caught. The system works!



He wasn’t “caught.” He called the clerk’s office and tried to get his ballot back. He essentially turned himself in. Plus his vote cannot be revoked.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:He was caught. The system works!


Try reading the article. He was only caught because he literally told on himself. How many hundreds or thousands of U-M students did the same and didn't call the clerk? Nobody knows. This crap is fraud and it's rampant. And I will bet anything the charge is quietly dropped after the election because he's ESL.
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Anonymous wrote:“Every vote counts.”

Presumably, the student has now canceled out someone else’s vote. This is justice denied.

The real problem is that is unreasonable to expect Americans to have confidence in an electoral system that makes it difficult to virtually impossible to detect fraud.

Perhaps voter fraud is not a widespread problem. Perhaps it is. There really is no way to know because election security is not taken seriously.


Yes, we should cancel all American votes and allow our political elites and lobbyists to choose the PRESIDENT.

Right?


Nah just require photo ID and actually require proof of citizenship, not just self attesting.


What is your proof of citizenship?


Birth certificate or passport.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And, he's being prosecuted. Rightly so. One vote is not going to make an election. What if he voted for Trump? The Chinese want Trump to win? Would you still care?

THIS IS NOT A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT YOUR MAGA MASTER SAYS.


Correct.

At most, it probably only happens a half million or so times each national election. Tops. No more than that.


That is fake news from your dear leader. If you can find reputable sources saying that 500K noncitizens are voting for the president then I’ll share your outrage.

I’ll wait….


Every illegal vote cancels a citizen’s vote. It’s a shame you aren’t at all upset by someone being disenfranchised unnecessarily.


Virginia is removing from the voting rolls 1600 people suspecting that they may not be citizens, just days before the election even though state law said this type of actions should not be done in the last 90 days before the election (who knows why Youngkin sat on his a$$ until right before the election to do something). news outlets have already identified a number of people who were canceled who are US citizens, two of them actually born in the US, one of them had no clue she had been cancelled. many more or even all of the 1600 may be citizens, but I bet you could not care less that they are disenfranchised right?


1600 people who self-identified as non-citizens and therefore ineligible to vote*


Stop lying. They did not self-identify as non-citizens.


+1 They lied and self identified as citizens.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Every vote counts.”

Presumably, the student has now canceled out someone else’s vote. This is justice denied.

The real problem is that is unreasonable to expect Americans to have confidence in an electoral system that makes it difficult to virtually impossible to detect fraud.

Perhaps voter fraud is not a widespread problem. Perhaps it is. There really is no way to know because election security is not taken seriously.


Yes, we should cancel all American votes and allow our political elites and lobbyists to choose the PRESIDENT.

Right?


Nah just require photo ID and actually require proof of citizenship, not just self attesting.


What is your proof of citizenship?


Birth certificate or passport.


+1 yep. Required in GA.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Every vote counts.”

Presumably, the student has now canceled out someone else’s vote. This is justice denied.

The real problem is that is unreasonable to expect Americans to have confidence in an electoral system that makes it difficult to virtually impossible to detect fraud.

Perhaps voter fraud is not a widespread problem. Perhaps it is. There really is no way to know because election security is not taken seriously.


Okay. So sounds like you're already calling for the the election to be halted.

This must be the GOP playbook. They know Trump is going to lose so they are coming up with all sorts of disaster scenarios why it has to be tossed out.

Meanwhile, there has never once been an election in this country without some fraudulent votes or miscounted votes. Never. Not one. Yet we've survived -- because in the scheme of things a handful of wrongly counted or bad ballots is not going to change the outcome in an election with millions of votes.


I called for no such halting of the election.

All I know is that every time a “handful” of either party’s key constituency is denied a chance to vote (say, long lines at polling stations necessitating longer operating hours) I hear all about how “every single vote must count.” When we have verifiable instances of voter fraud then “it’s just a handful of votes that don’t matter.”

What I also understand is that in many states election integrity is an afterthought and it is very difficult to virtually impossible to know if voter fraud (disenfranchisement) is or is not happening. How do you verify election integrity when chain of custody and voter records are very difficult to track?

If a foreign student can register and vote (possibly as a misguided prank) then a more nefarious actor could do so much worse.

Yes, you’ll be able to respond that there is no proof of widespread fraud. But it is equally true that you cannot prove our elections are secure and safe because in many states election integrity is simply not addressed.

Plz note: I’m staying away from partisan implications, here.


The Michigan SOS office confirmed once a ballot is cast in person and has been put into the tabulator, it will be counted, despite being illegally cast.

https://www.wlns.com/news/international-student-arrested-and-charged-for-voting-in-ann-arbor/
Anonymous
Cannot believe any student in Michigan can just show a student ID, check a box attesting they are a US citizen (with no documentation to verify), and bam, they can vote in a general election. That is absolutely bananas. Who makes these rules?
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