Texas woman died because of abortion ban

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.

What a great system.

Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

In Texas, you have to weigh malpractice against murder charges. Insurance covers the first one. It is what it is. Texas is a backwards state, and this is now the expectation there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.

What a great system.

Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?

Why don't you ask the medical professionals and hospital lawyers who are dealing with this every single day in abortion ban states? If there is such widespread confusion regarding these bans I don't think it's these professionals' fault. Sounds like it's the poorly written legislation, written by non-medical professionals who have no f'n clue about the reality in this area of medicine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.

What a great system.

Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?

Not wanting to get prosecuted by the state, even if on false premises, if there is someone who decides to go after them for performing an abortion when there is still a heartbeat. Given how litigious-friendly Texas is in this area, it's a legitimate concern. At least with a patient dying you just have to deal with a lawsuit that insurance can pay off. I mean, if you had to choose either path - possible prosecution and jail time (even if temporary while waiting for appeals process) or possible wrongful death lawsuit that your insurance would pay off, which would you choose?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.

In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

The fetus was 17 weeks old with a heartbeat. The doctors believed she was miscarrying, but the fetus was still alive. What if there had been a miracle? A doctor intervening guarantees the woman aborts the baby. What’s the medical code on that? Is it classified as a miscarriage if it happens naturally, but an abortion as soon as a medication is introduced to expel the fetus?

It’s just so shortsighted to see these government forced situations as black/white decisions. The doctors are over a barrel while the state of Texas and the Christian right are willing to bet a woman’s life on a miracle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.

What a great system.

Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?

The entire issue since forced birthers have inserted themselves into women’s uteruses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re digging to 2021 to try and win this election?

Since you don’t know how these things work and you didn’t read the article:

“Like all states, Texas has a committee of maternal health experts who review such deaths to recommend ways to prevent them, but the committee’s reports on individual cases are not public and members said they have not finished examining cases from 2021, the year Barnica died.”

This is how far behind the committee that reviews hospital deaths in TX is. They only just ruled her death preventable. Pro Publica looked at the statistics that are provided by the committee (her cause of death was “sepsis” involving “products of conception”), investigated and figured out who she was, contacted her family, and the family gave them access to her medical records and autopsy report. Then they had their own panel of experts review the records.

Do you think the public should be ignorant about patients’ preventable deaths just because they happened 3 years ago and the medical review committee is behind? These committees exist to decrease mortality rates. Knowledge is power.

Sounds like a "death panel" to me. Oh wait.

Everything is projection with these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.

In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

The fetus was 17 weeks old with a heartbeat. The doctors believed she was miscarrying, but the fetus was still alive. What if there had been a miracle? A doctor intervening guarantees the woman aborts the baby. What’s the medical code on that? Is it classified as a miscarriage if it happens naturally, but an abortion as soon as a medication is introduced to expel the fetus?

It’s just so shortsighted to see these government forced situations as black/white decisions. The doctors are over a barrel while the state of Texas and the Christian right are willing to bet a woman’s life on a miracle.

It's not hard. It's a medical decision. not a legal one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.

What a great system.

Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?

Not wanting to get prosecuted by the state, even if on false premises, if there is someone who decides to go after them for performing an abortion when there is still a heartbeat. Given how litigious-friendly Texas is in this area, it's a legitimate concern. At least with a patient dying you just have to deal with a lawsuit that insurance can pay off. I mean, if you had to choose either path - possible prosecution and jail time (even if temporary while waiting for appeals process) or possible wrongful death lawsuit that your insurance would pay off, which would you choose?

You are depraved.

[Anonymous]

It’s a legal decision in Texas.
And it’s coming to a hospital near you if Trump wins next week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

THIS!!! OB’s have the highest malpractice insurance for a reason.

Please do not confuse MEDICAL MALPRACTICE with abortion laws.

We can see right through you. PP above, thank you for continuing to fight the good fight!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.

What a great system.

Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?

Not wanting to get prosecuted by the state, even if on false premises, if there is someone who decides to go after them for performing an abortion when there is still a heartbeat. Given how litigious-friendly Texas is in this area, it's a legitimate concern. At least with a patient dying you just have to deal with a lawsuit that insurance can pay off. I mean, if you had to choose either path - possible prosecution and jail time (even if temporary while waiting for appeals process) or possible wrongful death lawsuit that your insurance would pay off, which would you choose?

You are depraved.

The anti-abortionists are depraved for putting people in the position of CHOOSING.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

THIS!!! OB’s have the highest malpractice insurance for a reason.

Please do not confuse MEDICAL MALPRACTICE with abortion laws.

We can see right through you. PP above, thank you for continuing to fight the good fight!

Anti-abortionists love that medical malpractice spikes with abortion bans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.

What a great system.

Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?

Because the emergency treatment she needed was illegal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.

What a great system.

Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?

Because the emergency treatment she needed was illegal.

Actually it wasn’t, which is why it is malpractice. Emergency treatment IS legal, even abortions, in every single state