Texas woman died because of abortion ban

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Anonymous wrote:Says she died from an infection

Yeah babe. When you don’t get a dying fetus out in time, you can go septic.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this her baby? I can’t even go there. Have mercy.

What? How can you carry someone else’s?

PP meant the living child pictured (her first child).

Her orphan.

Did abortion also kill the father?!?!

Baby lost her mom for no good reason at all. It does not have to be this way so get our there and vote to get rid of Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors

You are being intellectually dishonest (or dumb). The AG in TX over rode a TX doctor's recommendation for an abortion in Kate Cox's case. This is what happens when you let lawyers make decisions about healthcare instead of doctors. Those lawyers have become death panels.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/11/texas-abortion-lawsuit-kate-cox/

…”her doctors doctors refused to perform an abortion” so it hardly sounds like they recommended it or thought her life was in danger. Being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isnt an emergency. She was never hospitalized and there is no indication her doctors felt she needed an abortion. In fact, it was she who reached out to the Center for Reproductive Rights to have her case heard. She wanted an abortion so the baby didn’t suffer not because of imminent health risk. Seeing as there are zero statements from her doctors and they likely didn’t testify at court, or it would have been said. The person her felt her case fell under the health exception was “Duane, her lawyer”

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kate-cox-on-her-legal-fight-for-abortion-trisomy-18/

There it is, folks. Even though pregnancies like Cox's are doomed and can endanger a woman's life, "being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isn't an emergency" so f off, you have to go to term, even if it is more dangerous for you, even if you have to suffer 3 or more months of carrying a baby who will die, while having to tell strangers and colleagues that no, you are not excited about the birth, that it is is dying baby, and even if that means you never get pregnant again because you've lost your window of opportunity for having another baby (yes, there are some of us who struggle with fertility and know we cannot give up even 3 months of opportunity to try). That is just cruel.

You are misrepresenting facts to fit your narrative. You posted this example as evidence of when doctors felt a women’s health was in immediate danger and she needed an abortion and the courts overruled the doctors medical recommendations. But that isn’t what happened at all here. The doctors felt she didn’t meet the medical exception criteria for her health being at likely at major risk and they wouldn’t give her an abortion. So she went to court to try and overrule her doctors and get an exception, which the court denied and sided with the doctors. So she went out of state to get one.

And you are completely ignoring the facts to fit your narrative - notice how you did NOT respond to the fact that women who are carrying doomed fetuses and are denied abortions are faced with the cruelty of going to term against their will - 3 or 4 months or maybe even more - with a baby they know will die, having to answer questions left and right from strangers or colleagues or neighbors who don't know better than to ask about the fetus who it turns out is dying or going to die as soon as it is born. Waking up every morning knowing there is a dying baby inside them. Maybe some women want to deal with that heartbreak because they want to carry as far as possible to term, but many do not, many cannot withstand that psychological torture. I heard an interview with someone who was forced into this situation and she fell into a deep depression because of it. This is what you think is okay? Really? Disgusting. Yes, you are disgusting for shrugging at this scenario that does not have to happen. I didn't even mention the cruelty of the monetary costs of having to go to term, paying for NICU, paying for funerals, paying for postpartum care and time off.

That is completely irrelevant to the topic of this post

The topic of the post is that abortion bans HURT WOMEN. How is that irrelevant?

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Anonymous wrote:Is this her baby? I can’t even go there. Have mercy.

What? How can you carry someone else’s?

PP meant the living child pictured (her first child).

Her orphan.

Did abortion also kill the father?!?!

Baby lost her mom for no good reason at all. It does not have to be this way so get our there and vote to get rid of Trump.

+1 ^PP should tell those children who lost their moms because of MAGA/Trump should tell those kids.. "hey, you still have a dad, so it's ok that MAGA/Trump pushed for policies that got your mom killed. You're dad will just get another women pregnant to pop out another baby. And if she dies like your mom, your dad can just get another woman. See? These policies are great for men, not so much for living children or your moms."

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This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

When there is legal interference, doctors understandably hesitate. So take the law out and save women’s lives!

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.

In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors

You are being intellectually dishonest (or dumb). The AG in TX over rode a TX doctor's recommendation for an abortion in Kate Cox's case. This is what happens when you let lawyers make decisions about healthcare instead of doctors. Those lawyers have become death panels.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/11/texas-abortion-lawsuit-kate-cox/

…”her doctors doctors refused to perform an abortion” so it hardly sounds like they recommended it or thought her life was in danger. Being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isnt an emergency. She was never hospitalized and there is no indication her doctors felt she needed an abortion. In fact, it was she who reached out to the Center for Reproductive Rights to have her case heard. She wanted an abortion so the baby didn’t suffer not because of imminent health risk. Seeing as there are zero statements from her doctors and they likely didn’t testify at court, or it would have been said. The person her felt her case fell under the health exception was “Duane, her lawyer”

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kate-cox-on-her-legal-fight-for-abortion-trisomy-18/

There it is, folks. Even though pregnancies like Cox's are doomed and can endanger a woman's life, "being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isn't an emergency" so f off, you have to go to term, even if it is more dangerous for you, even if you have to suffer 3 or more months of carrying a baby who will die, while having to tell strangers and colleagues that no, you are not excited about the birth, that it is is dying baby, and even if that means you never get pregnant again because you've lost your window of opportunity for having another baby (yes, there are some of us who struggle with fertility and know we cannot give up even 3 months of opportunity to try). That is just cruel.

You are misrepresenting facts to fit your narrative. You posted this example as evidence of when doctors felt a women’s health was in immediate danger and she needed an abortion and the courts overruled the doctors medical recommendations. But that isn’t what happened at all here. The doctors felt she didn’t meet the medical exception criteria for her health being at likely at major risk and they wouldn’t give her an abortion. So she went to court to try and overrule her doctors and get an exception, which the court denied and sided with the doctors. So she went out of state to get one.

Oh, that’s not how it played out. A TX judge granted Cox her abortion and then Ken Paxton stepped in…

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/07/texas-emergency-abortion-lawsuit/

[Anonymous]

So much bullsh*t in this thread. These cases demonstrate quite clearly the double bind doctors are in trying to satisfy the state’s harsh threat of punishment while treating their patients.

Katie Cox’s case was a playbook to remind doctors of the anvils over their heads. A TX judge granted her an abortion and then Ken Paxton sent threatening letters to the hospitals who might have provided it therefore she had to leave the state. The AG of TX targeted a single pregnant woman ignoring the ruling of a TX judge. That should piss everyone off. How can doctors be expected to make sound medical decisions in that environment? It’s ridiculous and sophomoric to think they could.

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

They didn’t give her the medicine and allowed it go on too long because there was still a heartbeat. That is a direct result of the 2021 Texas law.

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.

What a great system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.

What a great system.

Our current surplus of doctors might finally get winnowed down, at least. /s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.

But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.

You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.

THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.

These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.

Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.

Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE

Sure thing, sailor. Go off on that.