Texas woman died because of abortion ban

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors

You are being intellectually dishonest (or dumb). The AG in TX over rode a TX doctor's recommendation for an abortion in Kate Cox's case. This is what happens when you let lawyers make decisions about healthcare instead of doctors. Those lawyers have become death panels.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/11/texas-abortion-lawsuit-kate-cox/

…”her doctors doctors refused to perform an abortion” so it hardly sounds like they recommended it or thought her life was in danger. Being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isnt an emergency. She was never hospitalized and there is no indication her doctors felt she needed an abortion. In fact, it was she who reached out to the Center for Reproductive Rights to have her case heard. She wanted an abortion so the baby didn’t suffer not because of imminent health risk. Seeing as there are zero statements from her doctors and they likely didn’t testify at court, or it would have been said. The person her felt her case fell under the health exception was “Duane, her lawyer”

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kate-cox-on-her-legal-fight-for-abortion-trisomy-18/

There it is, folks. Even though pregnancies like Cox's are doomed and can endanger a woman's life, "being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isn't an emergency" so f off, you have to go to term, even if it is more dangerous for you, even if you have to suffer 3 or more months of carrying a baby who will die, while having to tell strangers and colleagues that no, you are not excited about the birth, that it is is dying baby, and even if that means you never get pregnant again because you've lost your window of opportunity for having another baby (yes, there are some of us who struggle with fertility and know we cannot give up even 3 months of opportunity to try). That is just cruel.

[Anonymous]

Reports are stating that she is an illegal immigrant from Honduras, which caused her to forgo medical care earlier on as she didn't have health insurance, and she refused to have an abortion. So, this story isn't as clear-cut as the abortion was denied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re digging to 2021 to try and win this election?

Since you don’t know how these things work and you didn’t read the article:

“Like all states, Texas has a committee of maternal health experts who review such deaths to recommend ways to prevent them, but the committee’s reports on individual cases are not public and members said they have not finished examining cases from 2021, the year Barnica died.”

This is how far behind the committee that reviews hospital deaths in TX is. They only just ruled her death preventable. Pro Publica looked at the statistics that are provided by the committee (her cause of death was “sepsis” involving “products of conception”), investigated and figured out who she was, contacted her family, and the family gave them access to her medical records and autopsy report. Then they had their own panel of experts review the records.

Do you think the public should be ignorant about patients’ preventable deaths just because they happened 3 years ago and the medical review committee is behind? These committees exist to decrease mortality rates. Knowledge is power.

This happened before Roe v Wade was overturned (not to deny the tragedy), but why did the doctors deny her abortion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re digging to 2021 to try and win this election?

Since you don’t know how these things work and you didn’t read the article:

“Like all states, Texas has a committee of maternal health experts who review such deaths to recommend ways to prevent them, but the committee’s reports on individual cases are not public and members said they have not finished examining cases from 2021, the year Barnica died.”

This is how far behind the committee that reviews hospital deaths in TX is. They only just ruled her death preventable. Pro Publica looked at the statistics that are provided by the committee (her cause of death was “sepsis” involving “products of conception”), investigated and figured out who she was, contacted her family, and the family gave them access to her medical records and autopsy report. Then they had their own panel of experts review the records.

Do you think the public should be ignorant about patients’ preventable deaths just because they happened 3 years ago and the medical review committee is behind? These committees exist to decrease mortality rates. Knowledge is power.

This happened before Roe v Wade was overturned (not to deny the tragedy), but why did the doctors deny her abortion?

Because Texas passed a law outlawing abortions before Roe v Wade was overturned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re digging to 2021 to try and win this election?

Since you don’t know how these things work and you didn’t read the article:

“Like all states, Texas has a committee of maternal health experts who review such deaths to recommend ways to prevent them, but the committee’s reports on individual cases are not public and members said they have not finished examining cases from 2021, the year Barnica died.”

This is how far behind the committee that reviews hospital deaths in TX is. They only just ruled her death preventable. Pro Publica looked at the statistics that are provided by the committee (her cause of death was “sepsis” involving “products of conception”), investigated and figured out who she was, contacted her family, and the family gave them access to her medical records and autopsy report. Then they had their own panel of experts review the records.

Do you think the public should be ignorant about patients’ preventable deaths just because they happened 3 years ago and the medical review committee is behind? These committees exist to decrease mortality rates. Knowledge is power.

This happened before Roe v Wade was overturned (not to deny the tragedy), but why did the doctors deny her abortion?

Because Texas passed a law outlawing abortions before Roe v Wade was overturned.

JFC. Is it really that hard to keep up with the timeline of loss of rights for half our citizens? I guess so. Better get a diagram going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re digging to 2021 to try and win this election?

Since you don’t know how these things work and you didn’t read the article:

“Like all states, Texas has a committee of maternal health experts who review such deaths to recommend ways to prevent them, but the committee’s reports on individual cases are not public and members said they have not finished examining cases from 2021, the year Barnica died.”

This is how far behind the committee that reviews hospital deaths in TX is. They only just ruled her death preventable. Pro Publica looked at the statistics that are provided by the committee (her cause of death was “sepsis” involving “products of conception”), investigated and figured out who she was, contacted her family, and the family gave them access to her medical records and autopsy report. Then they had their own panel of experts review the records.

Do you think the public should be ignorant about patients’ preventable deaths just because they happened 3 years ago and the medical review committee is behind? These committees exist to decrease mortality rates. Knowledge is power.

This happened before Roe v Wade was overturned (not to deny the tragedy), but why did the doctors deny her abortion?

Because Texas passed a law outlawing abortions before Roe v Wade was overturned.

JFC. Is it really that hard to keep up with the timeline of loss of rights for half our citizens? I guess so. Better get a diagram going.

Technically, they didn't outlaw abortion. What they did was arm people with the right to sue anyone who provided an abortion. Basically, circumvented R v W. Who would want to be sued providing medical care? Like I said, this is what happens when lawyers play healthcare providers and sit on a death panel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reports are stating that she is an illegal immigrant from Honduras, which caused her to forgo medical care earlier on as she didn't have health insurance, and she refused to have an abortion. So, this story isn't as clear-cut as the abortion was denied.

Hey Ghoul, please post a reference to this report. How "pro-life" of you to justify the death by associating this woman's death with your pet-peeve - immigration!

[Anonymous]

https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban is a detailed article

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors

You are being intellectually dishonest (or dumb). The AG in TX over rode a TX doctor's recommendation for an abortion in Kate Cox's case. This is what happens when you let lawyers make decisions about healthcare instead of doctors. Those lawyers have become death panels.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/11/texas-abortion-lawsuit-kate-cox/

…”her doctors doctors refused to perform an abortion” so it hardly sounds like they recommended it or thought her life was in danger. Being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isnt an emergency. She was never hospitalized and there is no indication her doctors felt she needed an abortion. In fact, it was she who reached out to the Center for Reproductive Rights to have her case heard. She wanted an abortion so the baby didn’t suffer not because of imminent health risk. Seeing as there are zero statements from her doctors and they likely didn’t testify at court, or it would have been said. The person her felt her case fell under the health exception was “Duane, her lawyer”

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kate-cox-on-her-legal-fight-for-abortion-trisomy-18/

There it is, folks. Even though pregnancies like Cox's are doomed and can endanger a woman's life, "being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isn't an emergency" so f off, you have to go to term, even if it is more dangerous for you, even if you have to suffer 3 or more months of carrying a baby who will die, while having to tell strangers and colleagues that no, you are not excited about the birth, that it is is dying baby, and even if that means you never get pregnant again because you've lost your window of opportunity for having another baby (yes, there are some of us who struggle with fertility and know we cannot give up even 3 months of opportunity to try). That is just cruel.

You are misrepresenting facts to fit your narrative. You posted this example as evidence of when doctors felt a women’s health was in immediate danger and she needed an abortion and the courts overruled the doctors medical recommendations. But that isn’t what happened at all here. The doctors felt she didn’t meet the medical exception criteria for her health being at likely at major risk and they wouldn’t give her an abortion. So she went to court to try and overrule her doctors and get an exception, which the court denied and sided with the doctors. So she went out of state to get one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban is a detailed article

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

This is unacceptable and it does not need to be like this. Get rid of Trump and his abortion bans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors

You are being intellectually dishonest (or dumb). The AG in TX over rode a TX doctor's recommendation for an abortion in Kate Cox's case. This is what happens when you let lawyers make decisions about healthcare instead of doctors. Those lawyers have become death panels.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/11/texas-abortion-lawsuit-kate-cox/

…”her doctors doctors refused to perform an abortion” so it hardly sounds like they recommended it or thought her life was in danger. Being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isnt an emergency. She was never hospitalized and there is no indication her doctors felt she needed an abortion. In fact, it was she who reached out to the Center for Reproductive Rights to have her case heard. She wanted an abortion so the baby didn’t suffer not because of imminent health risk. Seeing as there are zero statements from her doctors and they likely didn’t testify at court, or it would have been said. The person her felt her case fell under the health exception was “Duane, her lawyer”

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kate-cox-on-her-legal-fight-for-abortion-trisomy-18/

There it is, folks. Even though pregnancies like Cox's are doomed and can endanger a woman's life, "being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isn't an emergency" so f off, you have to go to term, even if it is more dangerous for you, even if you have to suffer 3 or more months of carrying a baby who will die, while having to tell strangers and colleagues that no, you are not excited about the birth, that it is is dying baby, and even if that means you never get pregnant again because you've lost your window of opportunity for having another baby (yes, there are some of us who struggle with fertility and know we cannot give up even 3 months of opportunity to try). That is just cruel.

You are misrepresenting facts to fit your narrative. You posted this example as evidence of when doctors felt a women’s health was in immediate danger and she needed an abortion and the courts overruled the doctors medical recommendations. But that isn’t what happened at all here. The doctors felt she didn’t meet the medical exception criteria for her health being at likely at major risk and they wouldn’t give her an abortion. So she went to court to try and overrule her doctors and get an exception, which the court denied and sided with the doctors. So she went out of state to get one.

Why are talking about a completely different case than the one about the woman denied an abortion for a miscarriage in process? Do you think that horrible case - miss me with the “doctors felt” crap, you know it was the hospital lawyers talking - makes your terrible forced birther, women-killing politics any better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban is a detailed article

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

This is unacceptable and it does not need to be like this. Get rid of Trump and his abortion bans.

Actually, vote sapphire blue all down ballot until the christofascism is defeated and gets cleansed from the Republican Party. This is the product of so many more awful Republican congresscritters who hate women with every fiber of their being.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Guess she should have kept her legs closed, according to MAGA

These despicable people have so much blood on their hands

This is devastating to read! She is so young, vital and a mom. Miscarriage is a hell I wouldn't want to inflict on anyone, but now the mother can't be saved either. Just because of this fetal heartbeat rule that precludes doctors/women from making decisions about their own survival.

[Anonymous]

Wow. Texas is now telling hospitals to check citizenship of patients.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/17/texas-undocumented-immigrants-hospitals-greg-abbott/

Supposedly it's to see what medical costs are for undocumented people. But Texas also has a huge number of uninsured people (5.4 million, which is more than 3x the number of undocumented immigrants).

[Anonymous]

OMG. This is so sad. This is from May, but a Texas woman couldn't get a DNC for a baby with no heartbeat, and was traumatized by the medical establishment. Her husband said they are now getting death threats and he's going to go off social media. This also illustrates how this affects men (and not to mention the economy and crime):