Texas woman died because of abortion ban

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to start banning Viagra

If the Republicans ban gender-affirming care there goes Viagra. And Rogaine.

No, nothing that makes life softer and easier for men would ever get banned.

But women have to die.

This, right here. The day the Dobbs decision came out, commentators couldn’t even spend that one day talking exclusively about the loss of abortion rights. They kept talking about how Obergefell could be next, what about gay marriage? They mentioned Virginia v. Loving, what about interracial marriage? Congress wouldn’t pass a law restoring the rights under Roe, but they did shore up the right to gay marriage, even though the same religious groups that oppose abortion also oppose gay marriage. The difference is that Obergefell and Loving protect men’s rights. They’re safe.

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Anonymous wrote:I want a man to go to the emergency room but not be knocking on death's door and be refused care until he is. I don't care what the issue is. Heart attack stroke choking wait until that man is about ready to cross over the line and then step in and offer him some options

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Men who support MAGA don't really care that much about their wives, daughters, sisters as far as I'm concerned.

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Here's the second ProPublica story - about a teenager who went to 3 emergency rooms but because she was 6 months pregnant and the fetus had a heartbeat no one would touch her until she literally had one foot through death's door - and by then it was too late. This is what the bans are doing. She was 19 years old.

https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala

Candace Fails screamed for someone in the Texas hospital to help her pregnant daughter. “Do something,” she pleaded, on the morning of Oct. 29, 2023.

Nevaeh Crain was crying in pain, too weak to walk, blood staining her thighs. Feverish and vomiting the day of her baby shower, the 18-year-old had gone to two different emergency rooms within 12 hours, returning home each time worse than before.

The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.

Now on Crain’s third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to “confirm fetal demise,” a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care.

By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crain’s blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were “blue and dusky.” Her organs began failing.

Hours later, she was dead.

Fails, who would have seen her daughter turn 20 this Friday, still cannot understand why Crain’s emergency was not treated like an emergency.

But that is what many pregnant women are now facing in states with strict abortion bans, doctors and lawyers have told ProPublica.

“Pregnant women have become essentially untouchables,” said Sara Rosenbaum, a health law and policy professor emerita at George Washington University.

Texas’s abortion ban threatens prison time for interventions that end a fetal heartbeat, whether the pregnancy is wanted or not. It includes exceptions for life-threatening conditions, but still, doctors told ProPublica that confusion and fear about the potential legal repercussions are changing the way their colleagues treat pregnant patients with complications.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the second ProPublica story - about a teenager who went to 3 emergency rooms but because she was 6 months pregnant and the fetus had a heartbeat no one would touch her until she literally had one foot through death's door - and by then it was too late. This is what the bans are doing. She was 19 years old.

https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala

Candace Fails screamed for someone in the Texas hospital to help her pregnant daughter. “Do something,” she pleaded, on the morning of Oct. 29, 2023.

Nevaeh Crain was crying in pain, too weak to walk, blood staining her thighs. Feverish and vomiting the day of her baby shower, the 18-year-old had gone to two different emergency rooms within 12 hours, returning home each time worse than before.

The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.

Now on Crain’s third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to “confirm fetal demise,” a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care.

By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crain’s blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were “blue and dusky.” Her organs began failing.

Hours later, she was dead.

Fails, who would have seen her daughter turn 20 this Friday, still cannot understand why Crain’s emergency was not treated like an emergency.

But that is what many pregnant women are now facing in states with strict abortion bans, doctors and lawyers have told ProPublica.

“Pregnant women have become essentially untouchables,” said Sara Rosenbaum, a health law and policy professor emerita at George Washington University.

Texas’s abortion ban threatens prison time for interventions that end a fetal heartbeat, whether the pregnancy is wanted or not. It includes exceptions for life-threatening conditions, but still, doctors told ProPublica that confusion and fear about the potential legal repercussions are changing the way their colleagues treat pregnant patients with complications.

In addition to GOP/state issue, this was at a Christian hospital. There was another case in the news about one in CA. They cannot be trusted with reproductive care at ALL.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the second ProPublica story - about a teenager who went to 3 emergency rooms but because she was 6 months pregnant and the fetus had a heartbeat no one would touch her until she literally had one foot through death's door - and by then it was too late. This is what the bans are doing. She was 19 years old.

https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala

Candace Fails screamed for someone in the Texas hospital to help her pregnant daughter. “Do something,” she pleaded, on the morning of Oct. 29, 2023.

Nevaeh Crain was crying in pain, too weak to walk, blood staining her thighs. Feverish and vomiting the day of her baby shower, the 18-year-old had gone to two different emergency rooms within 12 hours, returning home each time worse than before.

The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.

Now on Crain’s third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to “confirm fetal demise,” a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care.

By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crain’s blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were “blue and dusky.” Her organs began failing.

Hours later, she was dead.

Fails, who would have seen her daughter turn 20 this Friday, still cannot understand why Crain’s emergency was not treated like an emergency.

But that is what many pregnant women are now facing in states with strict abortion bans, doctors and lawyers have told ProPublica.

“Pregnant women have become essentially untouchables,” said Sara Rosenbaum, a health law and policy professor emerita at George Washington University.

Texas’s abortion ban threatens prison time for interventions that end a fetal heartbeat, whether the pregnancy is wanted or not. It includes exceptions for life-threatening conditions, but still, doctors told ProPublica that confusion and fear about the potential legal repercussions are changing the way their colleagues treat pregnant patients with complications.

Here is a concrete example of how these laws hamper doctors -- in order to perform an abortion in Texas, or even a procedure that could lead to the death of a fetus, there has to be an ultrasound that confirms absence of fetal heartbeat. So in the case of an emergency as here, that took away precious time that should have been devoted to saving the teenager, not documenting the demise of the fetus.

At 10 a.m., Melissa McIntosh, a labor and delivery nurse, spoke to Totorica about Crain’s condition. The teen was now having contractions. “Dr. Totorica states to not move patient,” she wrote after talking with him. “Dr. Totorica states there is a slight chance patient may need to go to ICU and he wants the bedside ultrasound to be done stat for sure before admitting to room.”

Though he had already performed an ultrasound, he was asking for a second.

The first hadn’t preserved an image of Crain’s womb in the medical record. “Bedside ultrasounds aren’t always set up to save images permanently,” said Abbott, the Boston OB-GYN.

The state’s laws banning abortion require that doctors record the absence of a fetal heartbeat before intervening with a procedure that could end a pregnancy. Exceptions for medical emergencies demand physicians document their reasoning. “Pretty consistently, people say, ‘Until we can be absolutely certain this isn’t a normal pregnancy, we can’t do anything, because it could be alleged that we were doing an abortion,’” said Dr. Tony Ogburn, an OB-GYN in San Antonio.

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I wish this article was required reading in order to participate in voting or legislating or enforcing or interpreting the law.

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When will we legislate men!

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Political messaging is simplistic. Human bodies are complex. Republican abortion bans leave no room for the complexities of medicine.

Medical decisions should be made by adult human beings in consultation with trained medical providers. Politicians have no place — zero — in those decisions.

This is going to keep happening unless we get the politicians out of the exam rooms.

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For every abortion ban, we need a ban in Viagra or to gain or a number of other thingss men enjoy

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But women are hysterical...am j right?

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Pretty awful

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want a man to go to the emergency room but not be knocking on death's door and be refused care until he is. I don't care what the issue is. Heart attack stroke choking wait until that man is about ready to cross over the line and then step in and offer him some options

+1

Men who support MAGA don't really care that much about their wives, daughters, sisters as far as I'm concerned.

#basedoesntcare. The majority of white women voted for Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:But women are hysterical...am j right?

So right. We are just emotional about this election. Suck it up, take away the Mifepristone make room for those viagra pills on the pharmacy shelf.

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Anonymous wrote:Political messaging is simplistic. Human bodies are complex. Republican abortion bans leave no room for the complexities of medicine.

Medical decisions should be made by adult human beings in consultation with trained medical providers. Politicians have no place — zero — in those decisions.

This is going to keep happening unless we get the politicians out of the exam rooms.

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