Stephen Miller and Denaturalization

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Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

How the heck did people "unlawfully" obtain citizenship status? This is not like teens with fake IDs churned out by some mill. Takes years to obtain citizenship. There's even a test, guessing Trump would need to pay someone to sit for it.

Unlawfully obtaining U.S. citizenship happens through various forms of fraud or misrepresentation during the naturalization process, even though it takes years and involves passing a test. Some individuals may lie or hide critical information, such as their criminal history, residency, or marital status, to meet eligibility requirements (8 U.S.C. § 1451(a)). Others might enter into sham marriages to gain legal status (8 U.S.C. § 1186a(d)) or use false identities and forged documents to apply for citizenship (18 U.S.C. § 1028). This isn’t as simple as teens using fake IDs; it's serious fraud that undermines the integrity of the naturalization system. The real issue is that the Biden administration isn’t enforcing these existing laws as strictly as they should be, allowing some cases of fraud to go unchecked. The process should be fair for everyone, but it must also be protected from abuse.

Do you have some proof for this claim?

You mean like Melania?

[Anonymous]

Around 2005, the city council in Costa Mesa, California passed a city ordinance that required their police to ask for the immigration staus of anyone pulled over or questioned in the city. The city has a large Latino population, most of whom are legal residents, even if ther are darker skinned or speak Spanish. The police refused to do it, because they said it was a federal issue.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/community-members-express-concerns-over-orange-county-plan-involve-local-police

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

How the heck did people "unlawfully" obtain citizenship status? This is not like teens with fake IDs churned out by some mill. Takes years to obtain citizenship. There's even a test, guessing Trump would need to pay someone to sit for it.

If you didn't include something on your application that would have disqualified you from citizenship if known at the time, the citizenship is unlawfully obtained. There are certain crimes and convictions that make one ineligible for citizenship. That's the law on the books right now. Everything wasn't always as digitized as it is today.

This reeks of desperation. Who are all these folks with their illegally obtain citizenship? What have they done to you?

Under the Obama administration, according to officials who were there, the targets of denaturalization investigations were usually human rights and national security cases — cases in which someone hadn’t just lied to the government on a naturalization application but had covered up involvement in war crimes or donations the US would consider “material support for terrorism.”

But toward the end of the Obama administration, and going into the Trump administration, the government started filing denaturalization suits against people who’d committed other crimes that hadn’t been included on their naturalization applications.

It started with people who had been convicted of sex crimes against children — unsympathetic cases to most Americans, and people who, if they’d included the crimes on their citizenship applications, might well have gotten rejected for not having the “moral character” to become US citizens. In 2015, the government filed to denaturalize a man who’d failed to disclose a conviction for aggregated sexual assault of a child when he applied for citizenship in 1996. (The administration won the case in 2017.)

In November 2017, the government went a step further: It sued to denaturalize five men who had each been convicted of sexual crimes against children after they had been naturalized — because those convictions had included criminal activity stretching back before their naturalizations.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/18/17561538/denaturalization-citizenship-task-force-janus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

How the heck did people "unlawfully" obtain citizenship status? This is not like teens with fake IDs churned out by some mill. Takes years to obtain citizenship. There's even a test, guessing Trump would need to pay someone to sit for it.

If you didn't include something on your application that would have disqualified you from citizenship if known at the time, the citizenship is unlawfully obtained. There are certain crimes and convictions that make one ineligible for citizenship. That's the law on the books right now. Everything wasn't always as digitized as it is today.

And a lot of people are here legally but their "papers" were not in a digital form. Face it, this is just an excuse to harass an deport brown people, regardless of legal status. There is no mechanism, none, that prevents people in the US legally, from being rounded up and deported.

Your papers don't need to be in a digital form. The government has to make a case that you have obtained your citizenship unlawfully, i.e. you did not include information on your application form that would have made you ineligible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

How the heck did people "unlawfully" obtain citizenship status? This is not like teens with fake IDs churned out by some mill. Takes years to obtain citizenship. There's even a test, guessing Trump would need to pay someone to sit for it.

If you didn't include something on your application that would have disqualified you from citizenship if known at the time, the citizenship is unlawfully obtained. There are certain crimes and convictions that make one ineligible for citizenship. That's the law on the books right now. Everything wasn't always as digitized as it is today.

And a lot of people are here legally but their "papers" were not in a digital form. Face it, this is just an excuse to harass an deport brown people, regardless of legal status. There is no mechanism, none, that prevents people in the US legally, from being rounded up and deported.

Your papers don't need to be in a digital form. The government has to make a case that you have obtained your citizenship unlawfully, i.e. you did not include information on your application form that would have made you ineligible.

You are assuming any sort of due process. That is quite a reach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let them suffer the consequences. They deserve Trump.

No new wars and a better economy.

What eva will I do?

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Around 2005, the city council in Costa Mesa, California passed a city ordinance that required their police to ask for the immigration staus of anyone pulled over or questioned in the city. The city has a large Latino population, most of whom are legal residents, even if ther are darker skinned or speak Spanish. The police refused to do it, because they said it was a federal issue.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/community-members-express-concerns-over-orange-county-plan-involve-local-police

It IS a federal issue. But when local police and local authorities acknowledge they have no powers or authority to police or enforce immigration matters, the right wing throws a tantrum, calls them "sanctuary cities" and come up with all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories like as if we're making veterans homeless so that illegals can have a place to live with free food, no rent and whatever else, or that if an illegal commits assault or rape or theft they won't police it. They very much do police it. They just don't police them for immigration status. Because, they can't legally do that anyhow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let them suffer the consequences. They deserve Trump.

No new wars and a better economy.

What eva will I do?

🥺

Wrong about the economy and Trump has shown he doesn't know what to do in a national crisis (j6). Read what actual economists have to say. Trump policies would explode the deficit and drive inflation up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stephen Miller is talking about turbocharging the denaturalization process for US citizens of foreign origin in 2025 if Trump is elected.

I wonder if Sebastian Gorka will be included in this process.

Ok, let them start with Elon Musk.

I’d add the Dotard’s mother to the list. Didn’t she enter illegally? And now the Dotard is a convicted felon and rapist he should be sent ‘back’ immediately

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is a super interesting article breaking down that it does happen now and has for a long time/how Trump would expand on it:

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/18/17561538/denaturalization-citizenship-task-force-janus

Huh. It's super interesting that you neglect to mention the pertinent details. Let me help you:

Norma Borgono is a 63-year-old grandmother in Miami, scrambling to make ends meet while living with a rare kidney disease. The 28 years she’s spent in the US since arriving from Peru haven’t been easy or perfect: In 2011, she pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud for her role in a scheme to defraud the Export-Import Bank. But she cooperated with investigators to put together the case against the author of the fraud — the owner of the company where she worked as an office manager — and was sentenced to 12 months of house arrest and another several years of parole.

Borgono thought that was that. But years later, the Trump administration is taking her back to court, and threatening to upend her life. Borgono is a naturalized US citizen, and the Trump administration is seeking to strip her of her citizenship — to denaturalize her.

As explained in a Miami Herald profile, the Department of Justice claims that because Borgono was involved in the fraud scheme before she applied for citizenship in 2007, and because she didn’t mention the fraud when she applied — even when asked to list any crimes for which she’d never been punished — her citizenship application was itself fraudulent. And now it’s seeking to take back the citizenship it claims was given under false pretenses.

The month after Borgono found out that her citizenship was in jeopardy, the Trump administration announced a related initiative targeting naturalized citizens: a “denaturalization task force.” In June, US Citizenship and Immigration Services Director L. Francis Cissna announced that he was launching a team of investigators to complete the work of “Operation Janus,” a government effort stretching back a decade to identify people who’d gotten citizenship under false identities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

Just be cool with your paperwork being gone over with a fine tooth comb and hoping that the rules and regulations you previously followed aren’t suddenly deemed invalidating.

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Yep! Will the future well-being of my my kids be dependent on hope? My husband is a naturalized citizen and the main breadwinner in our family. Should he have to walk around with all his documentation and hope he is not deemed eligible for denaturalization? He is lucky, as he is white passing and has a very slight accent, but his name is obviously Spanish. Our kids also have Spanish names. Should they also have to walk around with their passports? I feel for Latino citizens who have more indigenous and African ancestry. They will be the targets of even more racism! Ugh!

Stephen Miller is just a horrible, horrible person!

Let’s clear up a few things and stop with the fear-based, politically charged rhetoric. First, no one who is a lawfully naturalized U.S. citizen needs to worry about being "randomly" deemed eligible for denaturalization, regardless of their race, accent, or name. The laws around denaturalization, such as 8 U.S.C. § 1451(a), focus on specific cases of fraud or misrepresentation during the citizenship process, like lying on applications or using false documents.

There’s no need for your husband or children to walk around with passports out of fear. If your husband became a citizen lawfully and truthfully, he is not at risk. Enforcement of immigration law is aimed at protecting the integrity of the system, not targeting innocent people based on race or ethnicity.

The real issue here is that the Biden administration is not consistently enforcing these existing laws regarding immigration fraud, which is the actual concern. This isn’t about race—it’s about enforcing laws that apply equally to everyone. Let’s focus on the facts and drop the talking points. Law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear.

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Honestly, Democrats prove themselves over and over to be fearmongers of the highest order. Naturally, OP completely omits the facts and the other morons just run with misinformation. This election can't come soon enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

Just be cool with your paperwork being gone over with a fine tooth comb and hoping that the rules and regulations you previously followed aren’t suddenly deemed invalidating.

m

Yep! Will the future well-being of my my kids be dependent on hope? My husband is a naturalized citizen and the main breadwinner in our family. Should he have to walk around with all his documentation and hope he is not deemed eligible for denaturalization? He is lucky, as he is white passing and has a very slight accent, but his name is obviously Spanish. Our kids also have Spanish names. Should they also have to walk around with their passports? I feel for Latino citizens who have more indigenous and African ancestry. They will be the targets of even more racism! Ugh!

Stephen Miller is just a horrible, horrible person!

Let’s clear up a few things and stop with the fear-based, politically charged rhetoric. First, no one who is a lawfully naturalized U.S. citizen needs to worry about being "randomly" deemed eligible for denaturalization, regardless of their race, accent, or name. The laws around denaturalization, such as 8 U.S.C. § 1451(a), focus on specific cases of fraud or misrepresentation during the citizenship process, like lying on applications or using false documents.

There’s no need for your husband or children to walk around with passports out of fear. If your husband became a citizen lawfully and truthfully, he is not at risk. Enforcement of immigration law is aimed at protecting the integrity of the system, not targeting innocent people based on race or ethnicity.

The real issue here is that the Biden administration is not consistently enforcing these existing laws regarding immigration fraud, which is the actual concern. This isn’t about race—it’s about enforcing laws that apply equally to everyone. Let’s focus on the facts and drop the talking points. Law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear.

It's very cute that you're still pretending that Trump believes in the rule of law, or that any laws apply to him. SCOTUS has said that by virtue of being the president, any actions he takes is legal. So, he can ignore those laws, and absolutely decide to go after the people with last names that sound "other". Who's going to hold him accountable?

DP. Do you understand how utterly idiotic you sound, pushing this garbage?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. I've been a Democrat forever and agreed with the party's common-sense approach of allowing immigration based on calculations of labor market demands. That was the policy until the middle of the Obama years. That's when he pivoted from the correct stance that he "couldn't simply wave a magic wand" and give legal status to millions of unlawfully present aliens (as they are called in the Immigration and Nationality Act... also known as our country's law). Then he waved the magic Executive Order wand and the party got skewered by the famous SNL "Schoolhouse Rocks" skit that portrayed him pushing the legislative bill down the steps. That's when the Democrats jumped the shark on immigration.

If we end up with Stephen Miller as DHS Secretary or running ICE, that's won't be my beef with a Trump 2.0 administration. As a finance grad, I'm 100,000% more worried about tariffs, and the fact that we've allowed in way more unskilled labor than the market actually needed. I couldn't give a crap about people who falsified their way here. The border admissions and runaway use of humanitarian parole is out of control.

Anyone who entered based on some sort of fraud should be removed from the US, or even have their falsely gained citizenship. Everyone that they filed for as a relative should also be fruit form a poisonous tree and also removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0

The brownshirts won't be able to distinguish who is here legally or not, so you will see a lot of people of color, who were born here or here legally, being affected by this.

I just said it. Biometrics. Every legal encounter since probably 2022 or 2023 has included fingerscans. Anyone who sought permission to enter the United States voluntarily gave us their biometrics. Anyone who entered illegally but later adjusted status to a legal one also gave biometrics.

Anyone who can't give biometrics is going to be investigated as unlawfully present. I'm not sure how hard that is to understand.

So if I am a legal person but not in the biometricts system, what prevents me from being detained?

If you are legal, you have a record based on your A-number. If you are illegal and the United States has had an encounter with you in the past, you probably also have a file. This election is really not a vote about whether the records infrastructure is in place. It is. Its a vote about whether we chose to apply the immigration laws passed by Congress. We'll all know the results soon enough.

And you think it is acceptable to be approached by "law enforcement" as a legal citizen and be asked for proof of legality?

Why do you keep pushing a fictional scenario? Are you hoping your low-information Dem. voters will buy it and vote accordingly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting dichotomy in this thread between people who, apparently, are actually very knowledgeable on immigration law and maybe enforce it for a living, versus those who believe feel-good Hulu shows like Handmaid's Tale are reality.

I call them feel-good because they are just that for a lot of the viewers. They're what I refer to as Victimhood Porn, created for people of a neo-Marxist 'oppressor versus oppressed' fantasy worldview.

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Some of these people actually *enjoy* their insane, doomsday, nutty scenarios. Those are the people I'm afraid of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let them suffer the consequences. They deserve Trump.

No new wars and a better economy.

What eva will I do?

🥺

Wrong about the economy and Trump has shown he doesn't know what to do in a national crisis (j6). Read what actual economists have to say. Trump policies would explode the deficit and drive inflation up.

Riots are the language of the unheard.

You snobs are just angry that the mostly peaceful but firey riot in question done by people protesting outside the halls of power designed by the rich white cisgender slaveowning men who founded this country rather than the small business owners in cities and towns who don’t run anything.