Stephen Miller and Denaturalization

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. I've been a Democrat forever and agreed with the party's common-sense approach of allowing immigration based on calculations of labor market demands. That was the policy until the middle of the Obama years. That's when he pivoted from the correct stance that he "couldn't simply wave a magic wand" and give legal status to millions of unlawfully present aliens (as they are called in the Immigration and Nationality Act... also known as our country's law). Then he waved the magic Executive Order wand and the party got skewered by the famous SNL "Schoolhouse Rocks" skit that portrayed him pushing the legislative bill down the steps. That's when the Democrats jumped the shark on immigration.

If we end up with Stephen Miller as DHS Secretary or running ICE, that's won't be my beef with a Trump 2.0 administration. As a finance grad, I'm 100,000% more worried about tariffs, and the fact that we've allowed in way more unskilled labor than the market actually needed. I couldn't give a crap about people who falsified their way here. The border admissions and runaway use of humanitarian parole is out of control.

Anyone who entered based on some sort of fraud should be removed from the US, or even have their falsely gained citizenship. Everyone that they filed for as a relative should also be fruit form a poisonous tree and also removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0

The brownshirts won't be able to distinguish who is here legally or not, so you will see a lot of people of color, who were born here or here legally, being affected by this.

I just said it. Biometrics. Every legal encounter since probably 2022 or 2023 has included fingerscans. Anyone who sought permission to enter the United States voluntarily gave us their biometrics. Anyone who entered illegally but later adjusted status to a legal one also gave biometrics.

Anyone who can't give biometrics is going to be investigated as unlawfully present. I'm not sure how hard that is to understand.

So if I am a legal person but not in the biometricts system, what prevents me from being detained?

If you are legal, you have a record based on your A-number. If you are illegal and the United States has had an encounter with you in the past, you probably also have a file. This election is really not a vote about whether the records infrastructure is in place. It is. Its a vote about whether we chose to apply the immigration laws passed by Congress. We'll all know the results soon enough.

You are literally suggesting the Nazi equivalent of "show me your papers" - that isn't the US, or it isn't now, but it sure sounds like the one you want going forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here for the “if you have nothing to hide, you’ll have no problem complying with the law” comments …

exactly - civil rights be damned. and these are the same people complaining about the "deep state" and burdensome government.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

Right. This is all weird fantasies postulated by things that have never happened and will never happen to the author of the post. Deportation procedures have been well established for decades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

Given what is proposed by the OP/Stephen Miller, it could absolutely happen to me. That is why I am asking the questions. Please don't tell me about inventing scenarios that create anxiety. Miller and Trump are doing that already. We have seen this game before in history, so I want to understand how this would be different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

Given what is proposed by the OP/Stephen Miller, it could absolutely happen to me. That is why I am asking the questions. Please don't tell me about inventing scenarios that create anxiety. Miller and Trump are doing that already. We have seen this game before in history, so I want to understand how this would be different.

I posted an article you can read. There are others as well if you don't like that one. It is inventing if you say things without first looking up specifics. Nobody has the right to deport you on the spot the way you describe, and that's obviously a good thing. It's an entire process and a legal and administrative one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. I've been a Democrat forever and agreed with the party's common-sense approach of allowing immigration based on calculations of labor market demands. That was the policy until the middle of the Obama years. That's when he pivoted from the correct stance that he "couldn't simply wave a magic wand" and give legal status to millions of unlawfully present aliens (as they are called in the Immigration and Nationality Act... also known as our country's law). Then he waved the magic Executive Order wand and the party got skewered by the famous SNL "Schoolhouse Rocks" skit that portrayed him pushing the legislative bill down the steps. That's when the Democrats jumped the shark on immigration.

If we end up with Stephen Miller as DHS Secretary or running ICE, that's won't be my beef with a Trump 2.0 administration. As a finance grad, I'm 100,000% more worried about tariffs, and the fact that we've allowed in way more unskilled labor than the market actually needed. I couldn't give a crap about people who falsified their way here. The border admissions and runaway use of humanitarian parole is out of control.

Anyone who entered based on some sort of fraud should be removed from the US, or even have their falsely gained citizenship. Everyone that they filed for as a relative should also be fruit form a poisonous tree and also removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0

The brownshirts won't be able to distinguish who is here legally or not, so you will see a lot of people of color, who were born here or here legally, being affected by this.

I just said it. Biometrics. Every legal encounter since probably 2022 or 2023 has included fingerscans. Anyone who sought permission to enter the United States voluntarily gave us their biometrics. Anyone who entered illegally but later adjusted status to a legal one also gave biometrics.

Anyone who can't give biometrics is going to be investigated as unlawfully present. I'm not sure how hard that is to understand.

So if I am a legal person but not in the biometricts system, what prevents me from being detained?

If you are legal, you have a record based on your A-number. If you are illegal and the United States has had an encounter with you in the past, you probably also have a file. This election is really not a vote about whether the records infrastructure is in place. It is. Its a vote about whether we chose to apply the immigration laws passed by Congress. We'll all know the results soon enough.

And you think it is acceptable to be approached by "law enforcement" as a legal citizen and be asked for proof of legality?

If you are involved in a crime they run your background, there won't be any random searches

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

Given what is proposed by the OP/Stephen Miller, it could absolutely happen to me. That is why I am asking the questions. Please don't tell me about inventing scenarios that create anxiety. Miller and Trump are doing that already. We have seen this game before in history, so I want to understand how this would be different.

I posted an article you can read. There are others as well if you don't like that one. It is inventing if you say things without first looking up specifics. Nobody has the right to deport you on the spot the way you describe, and that's obviously a good thing. It's an entire process and a legal and administrative one.

I am not interested in being stopped/interrogated or otherwise harassed by federal officials. If you can't see the issue here, then you really don't believe in limited government intrusion or civil rights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

Given what is proposed by the OP/Stephen Miller, it could absolutely happen to me. That is why I am asking the questions. Please don't tell me about inventing scenarios that create anxiety. Miller and Trump are doing that already. We have seen this game before in history, so I want to understand how this would be different.

I posted an article you can read. There are others as well if you don't like that one. It is inventing if you say things without first looking up specifics. Nobody has the right to deport you on the spot the way you describe, and that's obviously a good thing. It's an entire process and a legal and administrative one.

I am not interested in being stopped/interrogated or otherwise harassed by federal officials. If you can't see the issue here, then you really don't believe in limited government intrusion or civil rights.

You don't sound interested in reading or learning anything about the topic and just want to rant. Nobody is okay with what you describe but it's also not how denaturalization happens concretely speaking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

Given what is proposed by the OP/Stephen Miller, it could absolutely happen to me. That is why I am asking the questions. Please don't tell me about inventing scenarios that create anxiety. Miller and Trump are doing that already. We have seen this game before in history, so I want to understand how this would be different.

I posted an article you can read. There are others as well if you don't like that one. It is inventing if you say things without first looking up specifics. Nobody has the right to deport you on the spot the way you describe, and that's obviously a good thing. It's an entire process and a legal and administrative one.

I am not interested in being stopped/interrogated or otherwise harassed by federal officials. If you can't see the issue here, then you really don't believe in limited government intrusion or civil rights.

There are laws and rules to privacy but if you commit a crime all investigations are on the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, as long as you have your papers in order it shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
Just don’t be caught out without them.
Have several copies in separate places in case of natural disasters.
Make sure you don’t upset anyone that might be willing to cast doubt on your immigration status. That includes all of the local bigots that you’ve never given much thought to because they obviously are “okay with” you.
Make sure your family members have their ducks in a row so their possible mess doesn’t come back to you.
Have lots of acquaintances that will vouch that you’re “one of the good ones”.
Easy breezy.

You are literally describing China.

--former expat who lived in China

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

Given what is proposed by the OP/Stephen Miller, it could absolutely happen to me. That is why I am asking the questions. Please don't tell me about inventing scenarios that create anxiety. Miller and Trump are doing that already. We have seen this game before in history, so I want to understand how this would be different.

I posted an article you can read. There are others as well if you don't like that one. It is inventing if you say things without first looking up specifics. Nobody has the right to deport you on the spot the way you describe, and that's obviously a good thing. It's an entire process and a legal and administrative one.

I am not interested in being stopped/interrogated or otherwise harassed by federal officials. If you can't see the issue here, then you really don't believe in limited government intrusion or civil rights.

There are laws and rules to privacy but if you commit a crime all investigations are on the table.

Party of law and order makes a return.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

Given what is proposed by the OP/Stephen Miller, it could absolutely happen to me. That is why I am asking the questions. Please don't tell me about inventing scenarios that create anxiety. Miller and Trump are doing that already. We have seen this game before in history, so I want to understand how this would be different.

I posted an article you can read. There are others as well if you don't like that one. It is inventing if you say things without first looking up specifics. Nobody has the right to deport you on the spot the way you describe, and that's obviously a good thing. It's an entire process and a legal and administrative one.

I am not interested in being stopped/interrogated or otherwise harassed by federal officials. If you can't see the issue here, then you really don't believe in limited government intrusion or civil rights.

There are laws and rules to privacy but if you commit a crime all investigations are on the table.

Party of law and order makes a return.

The party of breaking the law is trying to make a return after the 2020 embarrassment, but hopefully he fails.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

Given what is proposed by the OP/Stephen Miller, it could absolutely happen to me. That is why I am asking the questions. Please don't tell me about inventing scenarios that create anxiety. Miller and Trump are doing that already. We have seen this game before in history, so I want to understand how this would be different.

I posted an article you can read. There are others as well if you don't like that one. It is inventing if you say things without first looking up specifics. Nobody has the right to deport you on the spot the way you describe, and that's obviously a good thing. It's an entire process and a legal and administrative one.

I am not interested in being stopped/interrogated or otherwise harassed by federal officials. If you can't see the issue here, then you really don't believe in limited government intrusion or civil rights.

There are laws and rules to privacy but if you commit a crime all investigations are on the table.

And we have a prospective president and prospective administration who don't care about laws and rules. So where are those guarantees about civil rights?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

This isn't an actual thing happening to you. Read on how deportation works. Trump is bad enough as is without the need to invent scenarios that create real anxiety for people.

Given what is proposed by the OP/Stephen Miller, it could absolutely happen to me. That is why I am asking the questions. Please don't tell me about inventing scenarios that create anxiety. Miller and Trump are doing that already. We have seen this game before in history, so I want to understand how this would be different.

I posted an article you can read. There are others as well if you don't like that one. It is inventing if you say things without first looking up specifics. Nobody has the right to deport you on the spot the way you describe, and that's obviously a good thing. It's an entire process and a legal and administrative one.

Yeah, idiot. They're going to be held in a detention camp until the legal process can save them. WTH knows how long that might be?!?