Stephen Miller and Denaturalization

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

Just be cool with your paperwork being gone over with a fine tooth comb and hoping that the rules and regulations you previously followed aren’t suddenly deemed invalidating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

What are the criteria for "unlawfully obtained citizenship"? If someone got their citizenship through marriage, but later divorced, does that make their naturalization go away? If some form that was supposed to be filed during the process can no longer be found, does that make the citizenship "unlawfully obtained"? This is essentially a way to reduce the number of legal minority citizens in the country, because by and large, they do not support Trump.

Maybe this is Trump's way of getting out of his prenup with Melania since I'm sure she'd be subject to the same rules, right? Rigggghhht?

[Anonymous]

I get serious Goebbels vibes from Miller.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

Just be cool with your paperwork being gone over with a fine tooth comb and hoping that the rules and regulations you previously followed aren’t suddenly deemed invalidating.

U.S. citizenship laws, such as 8 U.S.C. § 1451(a), have long provided that citizenship obtained through fraud or misrepresentation can be revoked, and this isn’t a new policy. For example, sham marriages (8 U.S.C. § 1186a(d)) and false claims of citizenship (8 U.S.C. § 1324c(a)) are grounds for denaturalization.

The issue isn’t sudden invalidation of lawful citizenship but whether these existing laws are enforced. Under the Biden administration, enforcement of these laws, particularly regarding illegal entry and fraud, has been notably lax. This lack of enforcement creates the perception that rules might change when in fact, the laws are already in place—they’re just not being strictly applied. For those who followed the rules, there’s no risk unless fraud was involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

Just be cool with your paperwork being gone over with a fine tooth comb and hoping that the rules and regulations you previously followed aren’t suddenly deemed invalidating.

m

Yep! Will the future well-being of my my kids be dependent on hope? My husband is a naturalized citizen and the main breadwinner in our family. Should he have to walk around with all his documentation and hope he is not deemed eligible for denaturalization? He is lucky, as he is white passing and has a very slight accent, but his name is obviously Spanish. Our kids also have Spanish names. Should they also have to walk around with their passports? I feel for Latino citizens who have more indigenous and African ancestry. They will be the targets of even more racism! Ugh!

Stephen Miller is just a horrible, horrible person!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

Just be cool with your paperwork being gone over with a fine tooth comb and hoping that the rules and regulations you previously followed aren’t suddenly deemed invalidating.

m

Yep! Will the future well-being of my my kids be dependent on hope? My husband is a naturalized citizen and the main breadwinner in our family. Should he have to walk around with all his documentation and hope he is not deemed eligible for denaturalization? He is lucky, as he is white passing and has a very slight accent, but his name is obviously Spanish. Our kids also have Spanish names. Should they also have to walk around with their passports? I feel for Latino citizens who have more indigenous and African ancestry. They will be the targets of even more racism! Ugh!

Stephen Miller is just a horrible, horrible person!

Let’s clear up a few things and stop with the fear-based, politically charged rhetoric. First, no one who is a lawfully naturalized U.S. citizen needs to worry about being "randomly" deemed eligible for denaturalization, regardless of their race, accent, or name. The laws around denaturalization, such as 8 U.S.C. § 1451(a), focus on specific cases of fraud or misrepresentation during the citizenship process, like lying on applications or using false documents.

There’s no need for your husband or children to walk around with passports out of fear. If your husband became a citizen lawfully and truthfully, he is not at risk. Enforcement of immigration law is aimed at protecting the integrity of the system, not targeting innocent people based on race or ethnicity.

The real issue here is that the Biden administration is not consistently enforcing these existing laws regarding immigration fraud, which is the actual concern. This isn’t about race—it’s about enforcing laws that apply equally to everyone. Let’s focus on the facts and drop the talking points. Law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear.

[Anonymous]

Speak for yourself. I've been a Democrat forever and agreed with the party's common-sense approach of allowing immigration based on calculations of labor market demands. That was the policy until the middle of the Obama years. That's when he pivoted from the correct stance that he "couldn't simply wave a magic wand" and give legal status to millions of unlawfully present aliens (as they are called in the Immigration and Nationality Act... also known as our country's law). Then he waved the magic Executive Order wand and the party got skewered by the famous SNL "Schoolhouse Rocks" skit that portrayed him pushing the legislative bill down the steps. That's when the Democrats jumped the shark on immigration.

If we end up with Stephen Miller as DHS Secretary or running ICE, that's won't be my beef with a Trump 2.0 administration. As a finance grad, I'm 100,000% more worried about tariffs, and the fact that we've allowed in way more unskilled labor than the market actually needed. I couldn't give a crap about people who falsified their way here. The border admissions and runaway use of humanitarian parole is out of control.

Anyone who entered based on some sort of fraud should be removed from the US, or even have their falsely gained citizenship. Everyone that they filed for as a relative should also be fruit form a poisonous tree and also removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0

[Anonymous]

Let them suffer the consequences. They deserve Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

Just be cool with your paperwork being gone over with a fine tooth comb and hoping that the rules and regulations you previously followed aren’t suddenly deemed invalidating.

m

Yep! Will the future well-being of my my kids be dependent on hope? My husband is a naturalized citizen and the main breadwinner in our family. Should he have to walk around with all his documentation and hope he is not deemed eligible for denaturalization? He is lucky, as he is white passing and has a very slight accent, but his name is obviously Spanish. Our kids also have Spanish names. Should they also have to walk around with their passports? I feel for Latino citizens who have more indigenous and African ancestry. They will be the targets of even more racism! Ugh!

Stephen Miller is just a horrible, horrible person!

Let’s clear up a few things and stop with the fear-based, politically charged rhetoric. First, no one who is a lawfully naturalized U.S. citizen needs to worry about being "randomly" deemed eligible for denaturalization, regardless of their race, accent, or name. The laws around denaturalization, such as 8 U.S.C. § 1451(a), focus on specific cases of fraud or misrepresentation during the citizenship process, like lying on applications or using false documents.

There’s no need for your husband or children to walk around with passports out of fear. If your husband became a citizen lawfully and truthfully, he is not at risk. Enforcement of immigration law is aimed at protecting the integrity of the system, not targeting innocent people based on race or ethnicity.

The real issue here is that the Biden administration is not consistently enforcing these existing laws regarding immigration fraud, which is the actual concern. This isn’t about race—it’s about enforcing laws that apply equally to everyone. Let’s focus on the facts and drop the talking points. Law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear.

It's very cute that you're still pretending that Trump believes in the rule of law, or that any laws apply to him. SCOTUS has said that by virtue of being the president, any actions he takes is legal. So, he can ignore those laws, and absolutely decide to go after the people with last names that sound "other". Who's going to hold him accountable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

Just be cool with your paperwork being gone over with a fine tooth comb and hoping that the rules and regulations you previously followed aren’t suddenly deemed invalidating.

m

Yep! Will the future well-being of my my kids be dependent on hope? My husband is a naturalized citizen and the main breadwinner in our family. Should he have to walk around with all his documentation and hope he is not deemed eligible for denaturalization? He is lucky, as he is white passing and has a very slight accent, but his name is obviously Spanish. Our kids also have Spanish names. Should they also have to walk around with their passports? I feel for Latino citizens who have more indigenous and African ancestry. They will be the targets of even more racism! Ugh!

Stephen Miller is just a horrible, horrible person!

Let’s clear up a few things and stop with the fear-based, politically charged rhetoric. First, no one who is a lawfully naturalized U.S. citizen needs to worry about being "randomly" deemed eligible for denaturalization, regardless of their race, accent, or name. The laws around denaturalization, such as 8 U.S.C. § 1451(a), focus on specific cases of fraud or misrepresentation during the citizenship process, like lying on applications or using false documents.

There’s no need for your husband or children to walk around with passports out of fear. If your husband became a citizen lawfully and truthfully, he is not at risk. Enforcement of immigration law is aimed at protecting the integrity of the system, not targeting innocent people based on race or ethnicity.

The real issue here is that the Biden administration is not consistently enforcing these existing laws regarding immigration fraud, which is the actual concern. This isn’t about race—it’s about enforcing laws that apply equally to everyone. Let’s focus on the facts and drop the talking points. Law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear.

Right, because Trump has so much respect for the law. He'll do it, and he'll dare anyone to stop him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, as long as you have your papers in order it shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
Just don’t be caught out without them.
Have several copies in separate places in case of natural disasters.
Make sure you don’t upset anyone that might be willing to cast doubt on your immigration status. That includes all of the local bigots that you’ve never given much thought to because they obviously are “okay with” you.
Make sure your family members have their ducks in a row so their possible mess doesn’t come back to you.
Have lots of acquaintances that will vouch that you’re “one of the good ones”.
Easy breezy.

Dystopian hellscape. Vote for Harris please y'all! Who wants to live in Gilead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

Just be cool with your paperwork being gone over with a fine tooth comb and hoping that the rules and regulations you previously followed aren’t suddenly deemed invalidating.

m

Yep! Will the future well-being of my my kids be dependent on hope? My husband is a naturalized citizen and the main breadwinner in our family. Should he have to walk around with all his documentation and hope he is not deemed eligible for denaturalization? He is lucky, as he is white passing and has a very slight accent, but his name is obviously Spanish. Our kids also have Spanish names. Should they also have to walk around with their passports? I feel for Latino citizens who have more indigenous and African ancestry. They will be the targets of even more racism! Ugh!

Stephen Miller is just a horrible, horrible person!

Let’s clear up a few things and stop with the fear-based, politically charged rhetoric. First, no one who is a lawfully naturalized U.S. citizen needs to worry about being "randomly" deemed eligible for denaturalization, regardless of their race, accent, or name. The laws around denaturalization, such as 8 U.S.C. § 1451(a), focus on specific cases of fraud or misrepresentation during the citizenship process, like lying on applications or using false documents.

There’s no need for your husband or children to walk around with passports out of fear. If your husband became a citizen lawfully and truthfully, he is not at risk. Enforcement of immigration law is aimed at protecting the integrity of the system, not targeting innocent people based on race or ethnicity.

The real issue here is that the Biden administration is not consistently enforcing these existing laws regarding immigration fraud, which is the actual concern. This isn’t about race—it’s about enforcing laws that apply equally to everyone. Let’s focus on the facts and drop the talking points. Law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear.

How cute that you think Trump's bands of enforcers are going to give a crap about the law or papers. They will see what they want to see and round up who they want to round up. And people like you are trying to blanket it in "laws and rules" - you really don't get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. I've been a Democrat forever and agreed with the party's common-sense approach of allowing immigration based on calculations of labor market demands. That was the policy until the middle of the Obama years. That's when he pivoted from the correct stance that he "couldn't simply wave a magic wand" and give legal status to millions of unlawfully present aliens (as they are called in the Immigration and Nationality Act... also known as our country's law). Then he waved the magic Executive Order wand and the party got skewered by the famous SNL "Schoolhouse Rocks" skit that portrayed him pushing the legislative bill down the steps. That's when the Democrats jumped the shark on immigration.

If we end up with Stephen Miller as DHS Secretary or running ICE, that's won't be my beef with a Trump 2.0 administration. As a finance grad, I'm 100,000% more worried about tariffs, and the fact that we've allowed in way more unskilled labor than the market actually needed. I couldn't give a crap about people who falsified their way here. The border admissions and runaway use of humanitarian parole is out of control.

Anyone who entered based on some sort of fraud should be removed from the US, or even have their falsely gained citizenship. Everyone that they filed for as a relative should also be fruit form a poisonous tree and also removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0

The brownshirts won't be able to distinguish who is here legally or not, so you will see a lot of people of color, who were born here or here legally, being affected by this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, as long as you have your papers in order it shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
Just don’t be caught out without them.
Have several copies in separate places in case of natural disasters.
Make sure you don’t upset anyone that might be willing to cast doubt on your immigration status. That includes all of the local bigots that you’ve never given much thought to because they obviously are “okay with” you.
Make sure your family members have their ducks in a row so their possible mess doesn’t come back to you.
Have lots of acquaintances that will vouch that you’re “one of the good ones”.
Easy breezy.

Hellish.

Uh, we've been requiring digital finger scans for years of all non-Americans who want to enter the United States, or adjust status / naturalize, or file a form to petition for a foreign relative to immigrate. Since after the 9/11 attacks. Even people flying in visa-free from Japan, or Europe, South Korea, or any other visa waiver country has to do that. It has been widely supported by both sides of the political aisle. Having your documents organized is pretty minor than the longstanding practice of submitting biometric data. Also, the biometrics make the documents sort of redundant.

I'm not sure how "hellish" it is to have documents. That's sort of a candy-assed perspective, and also out of touch with reality; when I hire a new employee for my shop who is a green card holder and we fill out the I-9 form (also a bipartisan supported process for many decades), they're always proud and happy to show their documentation. Which is actually no more paperwork than I had to show to get a Fairfax County library card.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, as long as you have your papers in order it shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
Just don’t be caught out without them.
Have several copies in separate places in case of natural disasters.
Make sure you don’t upset anyone that might be willing to cast doubt on your immigration status. That includes all of the local bigots that you’ve never given much thought to because they obviously are “okay with” you.
Make sure your family members have their ducks in a row so their possible mess doesn’t come back to you.
Have lots of acquaintances that will vouch that you’re “one of the good ones”.
Easy breezy.

Dystopian hellscape. Vote for Harris please y'all! Who wants to live in Gilead?

"Papers. Papers please." Yeah, that's going to be popular every time you leave the house.