Stephen Miller and Denaturalization

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. I've been a Democrat forever and agreed with the party's common-sense approach of allowing immigration based on calculations of labor market demands. That was the policy until the middle of the Obama years. That's when he pivoted from the correct stance that he "couldn't simply wave a magic wand" and give legal status to millions of unlawfully present aliens (as they are called in the Immigration and Nationality Act... also known as our country's law). Then he waved the magic Executive Order wand and the party got skewered by the famous SNL "Schoolhouse Rocks" skit that portrayed him pushing the legislative bill down the steps. That's when the Democrats jumped the shark on immigration.

If we end up with Stephen Miller as DHS Secretary or running ICE, that's won't be my beef with a Trump 2.0 administration. As a finance grad, I'm 100,000% more worried about tariffs, and the fact that we've allowed in way more unskilled labor than the market actually needed. I couldn't give a crap about people who falsified their way here. The border admissions and runaway use of humanitarian parole is out of control.

Anyone who entered based on some sort of fraud should be removed from the US, or even have their falsely gained citizenship. Everyone that they filed for as a relative should also be fruit form a poisonous tree and also removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0

The brownshirts won't be able to distinguish who is here legally or not, so you will see a lot of people of color, who were born here or here legally, being affected by this.

I just said it. Biometrics. Every legal encounter since probably 2022 or 2023 has included fingerscans. Anyone who sought permission to enter the United States voluntarily gave us their biometrics. Anyone who entered illegally but later adjusted status to a legal one also gave biometrics.

Anyone who can't give biometrics is going to be investigated as unlawfully present. I'm not sure how hard that is to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. I've been a Democrat forever and agreed with the party's common-sense approach of allowing immigration based on calculations of labor market demands. That was the policy until the middle of the Obama years. That's when he pivoted from the correct stance that he "couldn't simply wave a magic wand" and give legal status to millions of unlawfully present aliens (as they are called in the Immigration and Nationality Act... also known as our country's law). Then he waved the magic Executive Order wand and the party got skewered by the famous SNL "Schoolhouse Rocks" skit that portrayed him pushing the legislative bill down the steps. That's when the Democrats jumped the shark on immigration.

If we end up with Stephen Miller as DHS Secretary or running ICE, that's won't be my beef with a Trump 2.0 administration. As a finance grad, I'm 100,000% more worried about tariffs, and the fact that we've allowed in way more unskilled labor than the market actually needed. I couldn't give a crap about people who falsified their way here. The border admissions and runaway use of humanitarian parole is out of control.

Anyone who entered based on some sort of fraud should be removed from the US, or even have their falsely gained citizenship. Everyone that they filed for as a relative should also be fruit form a poisonous tree and also removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0

The brownshirts won't be able to distinguish who is here legally or not, so you will see a lot of people of color, who were born here or here legally, being affected by this.

I just said it. Biometrics. Every legal encounter since probably 2022 or 2023 has included fingerscans. Anyone who sought permission to enter the United States voluntarily gave us their biometrics. Anyone who entered illegally but later adjusted status to a legal one also gave biometrics.

Anyone who can't give biometrics is going to be investigated as unlawfully present. I'm not sure how hard that is to understand.

So if I am a legal person but not in the biometricts system, what prevents me from being detained?

[Anonymous]

^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. I've been a Democrat forever and agreed with the party's common-sense approach of allowing immigration based on calculations of labor market demands. That was the policy until the middle of the Obama years. That's when he pivoted from the correct stance that he "couldn't simply wave a magic wand" and give legal status to millions of unlawfully present aliens (as they are called in the Immigration and Nationality Act... also known as our country's law). Then he waved the magic Executive Order wand and the party got skewered by the famous SNL "Schoolhouse Rocks" skit that portrayed him pushing the legislative bill down the steps. That's when the Democrats jumped the shark on immigration.

If we end up with Stephen Miller as DHS Secretary or running ICE, that's won't be my beef with a Trump 2.0 administration. As a finance grad, I'm 100,000% more worried about tariffs, and the fact that we've allowed in way more unskilled labor than the market actually needed. I couldn't give a crap about people who falsified their way here. The border admissions and runaway use of humanitarian parole is out of control.

Anyone who entered based on some sort of fraud should be removed from the US, or even have their falsely gained citizenship. Everyone that they filed for as a relative should also be fruit form a poisonous tree and also removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0

The brownshirts won't be able to distinguish who is here legally or not, so you will see a lot of people of color, who were born here or here legally, being affected by this.

I just said it. Biometrics. Every legal encounter since probably 2022 or 2023 has included fingerscans. Anyone who sought permission to enter the United States voluntarily gave us their biometrics. Anyone who entered illegally but later adjusted status to a legal one also gave biometrics.

Anyone who can't give biometrics is going to be investigated as unlawfully present. I'm not sure how hard that is to understand.

So if I am a legal person but not in the biometricts system, what prevents me from being detained?

If you are legal, you have a record based on your A-number. If you are illegal and the United States has had an encounter with you in the past, you probably also have a file. This election is really not a vote about whether the records infrastructure is in place. It is. Its a vote about whether we chose to apply the immigration laws passed by Congress. We'll all know the results soon enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stephen Miller is talking about turbocharging the denaturalization process for US citizens of foreign origin in 2025 if Trump is elected.

I wonder if Sebastian Gorka will be included in this process.

Yep he sure will sane as many others in Trumps world.

If you think your family is safe from
Nazi miller by all means vote for Don. I will be laughing when he rounds you up. Because he will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

That's a fun fantasy land conversation, but let's focus on how it actually works. Everyone who is known illegal has registered their whereabouts. We start there by removing them, and also focus on local law enforcement arrests for other crimes like assault or drug possession, and remove those. Then you inform the community that everyone who voluntarily leaves will have their period of unlawful presence waived, and that incentivizes several millions to leave on their own, because then they will have a chance to enter legally someday without that period of illegality creating a ban on admission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself. I've been a Democrat forever and agreed with the party's common-sense approach of allowing immigration based on calculations of labor market demands. That was the policy until the middle of the Obama years. That's when he pivoted from the correct stance that he "couldn't simply wave a magic wand" and give legal status to millions of unlawfully present aliens (as they are called in the Immigration and Nationality Act... also known as our country's law). Then he waved the magic Executive Order wand and the party got skewered by the famous SNL "Schoolhouse Rocks" skit that portrayed him pushing the legislative bill down the steps. That's when the Democrats jumped the shark on immigration.

If we end up with Stephen Miller as DHS Secretary or running ICE, that's won't be my beef with a Trump 2.0 administration. As a finance grad, I'm 100,000% more worried about tariffs, and the fact that we've allowed in way more unskilled labor than the market actually needed. I couldn't give a crap about people who falsified their way here. The border admissions and runaway use of humanitarian parole is out of control.

Anyone who entered based on some sort of fraud should be removed from the US, or even have their falsely gained citizenship. Everyone that they filed for as a relative should also be fruit form a poisonous tree and also removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0

The brownshirts won't be able to distinguish who is here legally or not, so you will see a lot of people of color, who were born here or here legally, being affected by this.

I just said it. Biometrics. Every legal encounter since probably 2022 or 2023 has included fingerscans. Anyone who sought permission to enter the United States voluntarily gave us their biometrics. Anyone who entered illegally but later adjusted status to a legal one also gave biometrics.

Anyone who can't give biometrics is going to be investigated as unlawfully present. I'm not sure how hard that is to understand.

So if I am a legal person but not in the biometricts system, what prevents me from being detained?

If you are legal, you have a record based on your A-number. If you are illegal and the United States has had an encounter with you in the past, you probably also have a file. This election is really not a vote about whether the records infrastructure is in place. It is. Its a vote about whether we chose to apply the immigration laws passed by Congress. We'll all know the results soon enough.

And you think it is acceptable to be approached by "law enforcement" as a legal citizen and be asked for proof of legality?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, as long as you have your papers in order it shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
Just don’t be caught out without them.
Have several copies in separate places in case of natural disasters.
Make sure you don’t upset anyone that might be willing to cast doubt on your immigration status. That includes all of the local bigots that you’ve never given much thought to because they obviously are “okay with” you.
Make sure your family members have their ducks in a row so their possible mess doesn’t come back to you.
Have lots of acquaintances that will vouch that you’re “one of the good ones”.
Easy breezy.

Dystopian hellscape. Vote for Harris please y'all! Who wants to live in Gilead?

"Papers. Papers please." Yeah, that's going to be popular every time you leave the house.

I don't understand Trump voters at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

That's a fun fantasy land conversation, but let's focus on how it actually works. Everyone who is known illegal has registered their whereabouts. We start there by removing them, and also focus on local law enforcement arrests for other crimes like assault or drug possession, and remove those. Then you inform the community that everyone who voluntarily leaves will have their period of unlawful presence waived, and that incentivizes several millions to leave on their own, because then they will have a chance to enter legally someday without that period of illegality creating a ban on admission.

You are only looking at this one way. You assume a level of benevolance on the part of the people doing the "enforcing" - but 1) how does the interaction take place? 2) what rights are there for people to prove their legality? what if a legal person doesn't have ID on them? How is it legal for this to take place without personal and civil rights being violated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

I walk around a lot without ID. So what happens if I get a approached? What if I don't want to be engaged by MAGA brownshirts? Am I going to get rounded up too?

[Anonymous]

Here for the “if you have nothing to hide, you’ll have no problem complying with the law” comments …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

Nobody will ever do that. In some countries they actually do do that so you just walk around with ID.

How do you ensure nobody will ever do that? there is precedence in history and in other countries right now that such is not the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Yep, it's all digitized, highly secure documents and electronic records nowadays. And the DNA resources are already in place worldwide to confirm that claimed blood relatives actually are related.

People talking about showing 'papers' are out of touch. The digital infrastructure has been put in place for years by both Democrats and Republicans. All that's lacking now is the political desire to enforce the law. And that's the primary issue on the ballot in a couple weeks.

again, I am walking down the street, I "look" like an immigrant. I don't have any "papers" with me, an enforcement officer approaches me. What is the law here? What am I expected to do? What are my rights?

That's a fun fantasy land conversation, but let's focus on how it actually works. Everyone who is known illegal has registered their whereabouts. We start there by removing them, and also focus on local law enforcement arrests for other crimes like assault or drug possession, and remove those. Then you inform the community that everyone who voluntarily leaves will have their period of unlawful presence waived, and that incentivizes several millions to leave on their own, because then they will have a chance to enter legally someday without that period of illegality creating a ban on admission.

Okay hotshot. How do you start removing them? Where to? With what budget? It's going to cost like a trillion to do this and massively spike food and construction costs.