WSJ -Sorry, Harvard. Everyone Wants to go to School in the South

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Yes, but these are not the good students.

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I think generally many students want the work hard play hard have some standards for your life and the NE schools are too rigid with fun and too loose on standards and likely discussions in class also too stifling.

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Anonymous wrote:I think generally many students want the work hard play hard have some standards for your life and the NE schools are too rigid with fun and too loose on standards and likely discussions in class also too stifling.

Yes, the NE schools have become grim and depressing places.

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Yes, but these are not the good students.

Not the PP, but I’ve seen too many good students openly enthused about Southern schools to believe your outdated stereotypes. Ask any teacher at a competitive high school.

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The bashing of Southern colleges by snobs is exactly why kids are heading south. This seems to have struck many nerves on here.

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Anonymous wrote:I think generally many students want the work hard play hard have some standards for your life and the NE schools are too rigid with fun and too loose on standards and likely discussions in class also too stifling.

Yes, the NE schools have become grim and depressing places.

There seems to be a mismatch in terms of the NE schools people think kids don’t want to attend.

The Ivy schools nearly all have record applications…so they aren’t suffering for interest. Schools like Penn State and Pitt also have tons of applicants.

It’s not actually clear which NE schools are the ones “suffering”.

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Yes, but these are not the good students.

Not the PP, but I’ve seen too many good students openly enthused about Southern schools to believe your outdated stereotypes. Ask any teacher at a competitive high school.

I had a class of 2022 and have a class of 2025. The top students are not applying to southern schools. I do know kids who have gone to SC or TN but they are not good students. This thread is funny because it acts like the only options are NE and deep South.

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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.

Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.

+1. The good students are not interested in the subpar education and peer group of these large southern schools.

Your views are very antiquated. Among privates, Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice have long been T20 schools. Have you tried applying to Duke or Vanderbilt recently? Believing that only rejects from northern schools go to southern schools is profoundly out of date.

And among public universities, UVA, UNC, Georgia Tech, Texas-Austin, and Florida are all far better than any public university in the Northeast. Overall, smart kids have better opportunities in the South, particularly at the public universities.

Outside of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT what does the Northeast really have to offer bright 18 year olds today? And why would any intelligent and ambitious student choose a public school in New England or New York over vastly better schools in the South?

UPenn receives more applications than UTK, Clemson, University of Alabama…I could go on.

These blanket statements don’t hold much water when those pesky facts get in the way.

What facts? No one is comparing Ivy League Penn to Alabama, Clemson, or Tennessee. That's a stupid comparison. It's like comparing Duke to the University of New Hampshire.

And I just checked. Penn, Alabama, Clemson, and Tennessee all get roughly the same number of applicants - high 50,000s.

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Yes, but these are not the good students.

Not the PP, but I’ve seen too many good students openly enthused about Southern schools to believe your outdated stereotypes. Ask any teacher at a competitive high school.

I had a class of 2022 and have a class of 2025. The top students are not applying to southern schools. I do know kids who have gone to SC or TN but they are not good students. This thread is funny because it acts like the only options are NE and deep South.

I think everyone is missing the point.

Remember when it seemed like nobody from around here applied to southern schools? Because they didn’t—and the data backs that up. But now there is a dramatic uptick in kids from around here opting for schools in the south.

Sure, the ones you are likely most familiar with might not be the valedictorian. But ICYMI: the southern schools are aggressively recruiting smart kids and throwing money at them. It’s happening. And that’s the takeaway.

Assuming most of the posters don’t have a kid at a southern school and never bothered to visit, I’m happy to be your SEC doula. AMA

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, [b]the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Yes, but these are not the good students.

Not the PP, but I’ve seen too many good students openly enthused about Southern schools to believe your outdated stereotypes. Ask any teacher at a competitive high school.

I had a class of 2022 and have a class of 2025. [/b]The top students are not applying to southern schools.[b] I do know kids who have gone to SC or TN but they are not good students. This thread is funny because it acts like the only options are NE and deep South.

My experience as well with a 2024. They still are applying in mass to Ivies and selective slacs. Some Ga tech (engineering) and some U Mich & UVA as back up.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at a SEC school.

Only 1 kid from their HS was there a handful of years ago. Then 2 went the next year. Then a handful the next year. And now nearly a dozen are visiting.

Social media and word of mouth are compelling.

I reserved judgment when my kid applied. The tour was impressive; they want smart kids from the north and rolled out the red carpet for us. My kid is thriving and having a blast.

I had a 2020. Few of the top kids applied to places like Alabama, and the ones who did were very low key about it.

Fast forward to my 2024 grad. Dozens of their friends applied to southern schools, from Tennessee to Florda,Georgia, Alabama, Kentucky, Texas and the Carolinas. All top students. All excited about the fun vibe of the big southern universities, big scholarships, and great weather.

Preachy morality and judgemental censorship is definitely starting to fall out of fashion with the teen/young adult set.

If the divisive politicized university distopian vibe of the last few years bites the dust, it will be great for all of society.

There isn’t great weather. It’s still grossly hot in the 90s October and some have been hit hard by hurricanes. Maybe some kids like heat and humidity- mine can’t stand swamp @ss and prefer cooler climates.

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I’m relatively moderate and educated and would want my kids to attend school outside of the NE, if possible.

My opinion of many colleges in the NE is that they are extremely woke and a large % of the population is either 1) gay 2) got in because their parents are rich or 3) extremely left wing
I would never say this IRL but can on here.

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Yes, but these are not the good students.

Not the PP, but I’ve seen too many good students openly enthused about Southern schools to believe your outdated stereotypes. Ask any teacher at a competitive high school.

I had a class of 2022 and have a class of 2025. The top students are not applying to southern schools. I do know kids who have gone to SC or TN but they are not good students. This thread is funny because it acts like the only options are NE and deep South.

I think everyone is missing the point.

Remember when it seemed like nobody from around here applied to southern schools? Because they didn’t—and the data backs that up. But now there is a dramatic uptick in kids from around here opting for schools in the south.

Sure, the ones you are likely most familiar with might not be the valedictorian. But ICYMI: the southern schools are aggressively recruiting smart kids and throwing money at them. It’s happening. And that’s the takeaway.

Assuming most of the posters don’t have a kid at a southern school and never bothered to visit, I’m happy to be your SEC doula. AMA

This is a generous offer but people like the PP you are responding to will never accept such a profound change to their world view. I mean, these are same people having a temper tantrum in this thread because the WSJ wrote an article that shows the same thing. They’re just too rigid to cope with new information and so are lashing out.

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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.

Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.

+1. The good students are not interested in the subpar education and peer group of these large southern schools.

Your views are very antiquated. Among privates, Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice have long been T20 schools. Have you tried applying to Duke or Vanderbilt recently? Believing that only rejects from northern schools go to southern schools is profoundly out of date.

And among public universities, UVA, UNC, Georgia Tech, Texas-Austin, and Florida are all far better than any public university in the Northeast. Overall, smart kids have better opportunities in the South, particularly at the public universities.

Outside of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT what does the Northeast really have to offer bright 18 year olds today? And why would any intelligent and ambitious student choose a public school in New England or New York over vastly better schools in the South?

UPenn receives more applications than UTK, Clemson, University of Alabama…I could go on.

These blanket statements don’t hold much water when those pesky facts get in the way.

What facts? No one is comparing Ivy League Penn to Alabama, Clemson, or Tennessee. That's a stupid comparison. It's like comparing Duke to the University of New Hampshire.

And I just checked. Penn, Alabama, Clemson, and Tennessee all get roughly the same number of applicants - high 50,000s.

Penn had 66,500 this year. Pretty easy to actually check. You do realize it’s a much smaller school than those schools, right?

PP said the NE had nothing to offer beyond Harvard, Princeton and MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread was deleted.

Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Yes, but these are not the good students.

Not the PP, but I’ve seen too many good students openly enthused about Southern schools to believe your outdated stereotypes. Ask any teacher at a competitive high school.

I had a class of 2022 and have a class of 2025. The top students are not applying to southern schools. I do know kids who have gone to SC or TN but they are not good students. This thread is funny because it acts like the only options are NE and deep South.

I think everyone is missing the point.

Remember when it seemed like nobody from around here applied to southern schools? Because they didn’t—and the data backs that up. But now there is a dramatic uptick in kids from around here opting for schools in the south.

Sure, the ones you are likely most familiar with might not be the valedictorian. But ICYMI: the southern schools are aggressively recruiting smart kids and throwing money at them. It’s happening. And that’s the takeaway.

Assuming most of the posters don’t have a kid at a southern school and never bothered to visit, I’m happy to be your SEC doula. AMA

Yeah, we aren’t seeing smart kids go there. And I know a few older kids who just graduated from TN who are now unemployed in their parents’ house,