WSJ -Sorry, Harvard. Everyone Wants to go to School in the South

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This has been going on for years along with northerners moving south. 30 years ago when I was in college, I remember a college administrator saying that kids go south for college, they don’t go north.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever floats your boat.
But DD is not keen to go anywhere south due to the draconian abortion policies and I think that’s smart.

It’s dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really interesting they want northern kids. If the kids settle there, that will certainly turns places blue for the most part.

The northern kids going to southern schools tend to be the more moderate ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever floats your boat.
But DD is not keen to go anywhere south due to the draconian abortion policies and I think that’s smart.

Same with my kid. I also do not see a lot of kids in our neighborhood going South. Also, Harvard’s never going to be hurting for applications. It’s the smaller LACs in the mid-Atlantic, NE, and the Eastern part of the Mid-West that are going to be hurting. There are just way more of them per capita than in the South.

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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.

Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.

+1. The good students are not interested in the subpar education and peer group of these large southern schools.

Your views are very antiquated. Among privates, Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice have long been T20 schools. Have you tried applying to Duke or Vanderbilt recently? Believing that only rejects from northern schools go to southern schools is profoundly out of date.

And among public universities, UVA, UNC, Georgia Tech, Texas-Austin, and Florida are all far better than any public university in the Northeast. Overall, smart kids have better opportunities in the South, particularly at the public universities.

Outside of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT what does the Northeast really have to offer bright 18 year olds today? And why would any intelligent and ambitious student choose a public school in New England or New York over vastly better schools in the South?

UPenn receives more applications than UTK, Clemson, University of Alabama…I could go on.

These blanket statements don’t hold much water when those pesky facts get in the way.

The correct comparison here is Penn State. Or U Mass. ir Rutgers. or SUNY Buffalo. Or U Conn. or UVM. Or U of … does New Hampshire even have a university?

Anyway the comparison isn’t Penn vs Auburn. It could be Penn vs Vandy though.

That’s no comparison…Penn state main campus gets way more applications than the southern schools.

Penn gets way more applications than Vandy. Almost 20,000 more.

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I have a problem with the headline of the article vs if the article was just titled “southern Power 4 universities see more northern students”…which admittedly isn’t a clickbait title.

None of the Ivy schools and definitely not Harvard are impacted. Northern flagships aren’t much impacted…in fact no top 100 school is much impacted. All of those schools have seen record applications and have fairly decent %ages of their student bodies from kids from southern states (actually much higher than the reverse).

It would be interesting to know the actual NE schools that are impacted. Maybe it is University of Maine or New Hampshire or SUNY schools.

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Anonymous wrote:yes, my child who has serious repro system problems is NOT attending school in a state that might make emergency surgery too difficult to obtain.

Those states tend to also be the same with anti-LGBTQ+ laws, which she specifically told us she wanted to avoid in solidarity with her many friends in that community.

Hey, good for your child who wanted to be the change. More power to them.

We made a different choice for our own personal reasons.

Why do you need to try to change my mind? It isn't needed. Our children are both happy with where they landed

Sounds like your kids will fit in perfectly in New England.

Bizarre you have a teenager with know serious reproductive issues, but okay.

NP. Most people know with the exception of Southern Republican politicians that endometriosis can cause issues with fertility.

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No doubt southern colleges are coming into their own like USC and UCLA did back in the day.

Why go to Temple when you can go to Georgie or LSU. The racism is more or less gone and the sports are sooooo much better.

If your kid isn't going to IVY+ or flagship state, then southern schools seem like a good place to spend 4 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Not surprising as the population in the US has been moving South and West.

Exactly. And the article mentions this too, which is spot on:

The Southern enrollment surge is taking place in some booming regional economies. The top five most promising locations to find work for newly minted college graduates are all in the South, according to a recent study by payroll provider ADP.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for years along with northerners moving south. 30 years ago when I was in college, I remember a college administrator saying that kids go south for college, they don’t go north.

Sure, but there has been a noticeable increase as the article confirms.

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Anonymous wrote:No doubt southern colleges are coming into their own like USC and UCLA did back in the day.

Why go to Temple when you can go to Georgie or LSU. The racism is more or less gone and the sports are sooooo much better.

If your kid isn't going to IVY+ or flagship state, then southern schools seem like a good place to spend 4 years.

Temple had 39,687 applications up from 36,876 the year before.

Everyone keeps throwing out schools that in theory are losing out to southern schools…just for the assertion to be incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:Not surprising as the population in the US has been moving South and West.

Climate change will catch up with them. Then, when the south is inundated and the west has no water, they'll come back.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really interesting they want northern kids. If the kids settle there, that will certainly turns places blue for the most part.

The northern kids going to southern schools tend to be the more moderate ones.

All these ridiculous generalizations on this thread, based on what? FFS.

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Am surprised that people - especially young women!- would support places that restrict basic reproductive rights.

Are people just turning their heads the other way? It's so fundamental to young women having basic care, and given that about 20 percent of women need to have an abortion at some time in their lives, are these girls flying home to get abortion pills? The number of rapes and accidental pregnancies on campuses is so high.

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Anonymous wrote:yes, my child who has serious repro system problems is NOT attending school in a state that might make emergency surgery too difficult to obtain.

Those states tend to also be the same with anti-LGBTQ+ laws, which she specifically told us she wanted to avoid in solidarity with her many friends in that community.

Hey, good for your child who wanted to be the change. More power to them.

We made a different choice for our own personal reasons.

Why do you need to try to change my mind? It isn't needed. Our children are both happy with where they landed

Sounds like your kids will fit in perfectly in New England.

Bizarre you have a teenager with know serious reproductive issues, but okay.

NP. Most people know with the exception of Southern Republican politicians that endometriosis can cause issues with fertility.

I’m the original poster of this sub thread. Thank you for understanding. Having repro system issues doesn’t mean my daughter is some cheap trollop. It means we have been through multiple ER visits for horrifically painful ovarian cysts. We have tried to help her with her terrible period cramps/pain and sadly had some of the solutions be worse than the original problem.

And I say again, I do not trust that she will be tested properly if an emergency situation arose in a red state. You can say I’m crying wolf or whatever, but doctors have had their hands tied to the point that women have died because a basically no brainer medical procedure to save her life is fought over by lawyers for too long and the doctors have to wait while they watch this woman slip away for no dang good reason.

I’ll be damned if I’m entrusting my daughters reproductive organs to any red state medical facility