WSJ -Sorry, Harvard. Everyone Wants to go to School in the South

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious where the poster claiming youth are more conservative is getting their numbers for that

Because it is opposite of everything I have seen and read, and I actually keep up with polling

https://www.theupandup.us/p/gen-z-teens-conservative-shift-gallup-data.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at a SEC school.

Only 1 kid from their HS was there a handful of years ago. Then 2 went the next year. Then a handful the next year. And now nearly a dozen are visiting.

Social media and word of mouth are compelling.

I reserved judgment when my kid applied. The tour was impressive; they want smart kids from the north and rolled out the red carpet for us. My kid is thriving and having a blast.

I had a 2020. Few of the top kids applied to places like Alabama, and the ones who did were very low key about it.

Fast forward to my 2024 grad. Dozens of their friends applied to southern schools, from Tennessee to Florda,Georgia, Alabama, Kentucky, Texas and the Carolinas. All top students. All excited about the fun vibe of the big southern universities, big scholarships, and great weather.

Preachy morality and judgemental censorship is definitely starting to fall out of fashion with the teen/young adult set.

If the divisive politicized university distopian vibe of the last few years bites the dust, it will be great for all of society.

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Might be happening with academics too. DS at an SEC school has a history prof who came from Yale. He’s gotten to know him and the prof said Yale was rigid, politically stifling and he didn’t love raising his kids in New Haven. He loves raising his kids in their college town (and he is not conservative).

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Anonymous wrote:UPitt receives more applications than UTK or Clemson and they have doubled over the last 5 years.

Guess it doesn’t fit the narrative of the story.

Doesn't Pitt have rolling admissions that ho bery late into the season after early rejections?

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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.

Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.

+1. The good students are not interested in the subpar education and peer group of these large southern schools.

Your views are very antiquated. Among privates, Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice have long been T20 schools. Have you tried applying to Duke or Vanderbilt recently? Believing that only rejects from northern schools go to southern schools is profoundly out of date.

And among public universities, UVA, UNC, Georgia Tech, Texas-Austin, and Florida are all far better than any public university in the Northeast. Overall, smart kids have better opportunities in the South, particularly at the public universities.

Outside of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT what does the Northeast really have to offer bright 18 year olds today? And why would any intelligent and ambitious student choose a public school in New England or New York over vastly better schools in the South?

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TLDR of the article: rich kids who can't get into competitive colleges in the North are going to Southern schools as safeties

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really interesting they want northern kids. If the kids settle there, that will certainly turns places blue for the most part.

Or, they are purple kids interested in the advantages of living in a red area and the fun and intellectual freedom of a university in a red state

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at a SEC school.

Only 1 kid from their HS was there a handful of years ago. Then 2 went the next year. Then a handful the next year. And now nearly a dozen are visiting.

Social media and word of mouth are compelling.

I reserved judgment when my kid applied. The tour was impressive; they want smart kids from the north and rolled out the red carpet for us. My kid is thriving and having a blast.

I had a 2020. Few of the top kids applied to places like Alabama, and the ones who did were very low key about it.

Fast forward to my 2024 grad. Dozens of their friends applied to southern schools, from Tennessee to Florda,Georgia, Alabama, Kentucky, Texas and the Carolinas. All top students. All excited about the fun vibe of the big southern universities, big scholarships, and great weather.

Preachy morality and judgemental censorship is definitely starting to fall out of fashion with the teen/young adult set.

If the divisive politicized university distopian vibe of the last few years bites the dust, it will be great for all of society.

Florida is where the government is censoring education- in K-12 and in college.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really interesting they want northern kids. If the kids settle there, that will certainly turns places blue for the most part.

Or, they are purple kids interested in the advantages of living in a red area and the fun and intellectual freedom of a university in a red state

Are you joking? Have you seen how DeSantis has restricted education?

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Yep.

They are recruited bright students from the NE, dc metro area and beyond. Big time.

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This is just midwits at the WSJ using coded language to suggest that “conservative” students who feel “threatened” by people protesting genocidal killing of six-year-old girls and ambulance drivers trying to rescue them are part of a “big wave” of smart people choosing Bible Belt colleges over prestigious formerly Northern WASP institutions. It’s to make people feel better. I overheard two tacky women at Target talking this way last year and it made me gag. Enjoy finding a place where no one will prick your conscience about dead children!

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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.

Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.

+1. The good students are not interested in the subpar education and peer group of these large southern schools.

Your views are very antiquated. Among privates, Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice have long been T20 schools. Have you tried applying to Duke or Vanderbilt recently? Believing that only rejects from northern schools go to southern schools is profoundly out of date.

And among public universities, UVA, UNC, Georgia Tech, Texas-Austin, and Florida are all far better than any public university in the Northeast. Overall, smart kids have better opportunities in the South, particularly at the public universities.

Outside of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT what does the Northeast really have to offer bright 18 year olds today? And why would any intelligent and ambitious student choose a public school in New England or New York over vastly better schools in the South?

UPenn receives more applications than UTK, Clemson, University of Alabama…I could go on.

These blanket statements don’t hold much water when those pesky facts get in the way.

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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.

Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.

Cite?

You need a cite to show you that most kids are rejected from schools like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale? Have you been living under a rock?

You need a cite to show that kids applying to Alabama also applied to HYP.

A co-workers son who was a National Merit Scholar got into Princeton but chose University of Alabama honors college. He got tuition for 5 years (and extra year of undergrad or grad school), 4 years room and board, $4,000 stipend for expenses plus and $2,000 guaranteed research stipend.

They make around $300,000 -350,000 and didn’t get much aid from Princeton. Financially it didn’t make sense for them to blow $250,000 when they could save that money and give their child a down payment for a house or fund medical school.

Son is loving it there. He js amazed how friendly everyone is. Absolutely loves his honors college friends. Princeton has grade deflation which is awful for applying to graduate or med school. And when he toured the students didn’t seem excited to be there. He thought many students seemed stressed and/or depressed.

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Article says 600 of 6800 of current UTK freshman class is from the northeast.

I guess kids aren’t actually attending.