Rejected by Dartmouth but admitted into Yale, Princeton, Brown, UPenn, Cornell, Duke, and UCLA???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth is looking for a specific kind of kid. They're not interested in the STEM bots that shot-gun all the Ivies.

This.
The OP is a bored newbie who has no idea how this works.

Sheesh.

Of course, I have no idea how this works.

Why else would I ask these questions if I had the answers?

Spend some time reading on here.
Search “holistic admissions “ rather than wasting everyone’s time.
Search admissions officers “rubric”. It’s not the same formula everywhere.

Once you figure that out, if you really want advice for your own child, post your kid’s stats, the type of high school they go to, what unique pointy interests they have, any awards, majors and how they have shown academic vitality, and let us know the 20 schools they are looking at.

People here will be honest and give you a lot of good tips. But you have to do some work.

[Anonymous]

OP must be a teenager…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is this possible when Dartmouth is the least prestigious of these schools?

The same person was rejected by Harvard, Stanford, and Columbia. Is Dartmouth trying to say it is on par with these other schools? LMAO.

Surely someone admitted into Yale and Princeton should be able to get into Dartmouth easily.

Dartmouth is literally not even in the top 100 best schools like seriously.

I have not read the entire post.

OP: Clearly, you are new at the college admissions game. Such results are not uncommon. Just shows that elite schools actually read the applications beyond the numbers.

The applicant applied to all 8 Ivy League schools plus Stanford, Duke, & UCLA. Doesn't show much in the way of identifying fit beyond prestige. Difficult to imagine a student who would fit in at Columbia as well as Dartmouth College. At least Dartmouth, Harvard, Stanford, and Columbia appear to have read the applicant's essays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My high-stats, unhooked DC was admitted this year. I did a fair amount of research (in lieu of hiring a consultant). Current and former Dartmouth AOs are prolific in media--e.g., Lee Coffin's podcast (and appearances on others' podcasts), Valedictorians at the Gate (book), Inside the Admissions Office podcast, etc. Critically, there's no formula and the threshold issue is academic capability. Applicants must do very well in high school: Top 5-10% in class, many APs/IBs, high test scores, and reasonable AP test performance. But academic capability only gets one's foot in the door. Beyond that, here are some of the things that Dartmouth looks for:

Impact: This applies to all colleges, but Dartmouth likes applicants who show that they make an impact, whether it is in their classroom, community, or broader.

Demonstrated Interest: I'm not talking about tours or website visits. Dartmouth is probably the most distinct flavor of the Ivies, and it wants you to understand that distinction rather than merely applying because of its Ivy status. This means understanding that it offers a liberal arts education (broad and often interdisciplinary) and that it's rural location and tight campus community are integral to the Dartmouth experience. Applicants should show that they understand this and that it strongly appeals to them. Dartmouth likes applicants that genuinely like Dartmouth.

Benefit to the Community: As an isolated, small school with a tight community, applicants should show what they bring to that community and that they, well, aren't jerks. This doesn't require anything specific, but I think it helps if applicants can show things like they are kind, they are great teammates or friends, they inspire others, leadership, they're funny, they're quiet but profound, etc., etc. Applicants show show that they'd contribute to the community positively and, if possible, distinctly.

Intellectual Curiosity: This goes back a little to Dartmouth's liberal arts nature, but I think Dartmouth likely prefers kids who are interested in learning for learning's sake. If an applicant's application only shows myopic and pragmatic interest in, say, computer science, one has to question why that applicant is applying to Dartmouth.

Anyhow, it's a great school for the right kid.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1206949.page

Your thoughts were reasonable until you wrote the bolded portion.

Typical DCUM. Someone does their best to provide genuine insight in good faith only for some inarticulate jamoke to criticize their effort without elaboration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My high-stats, unhooked DC was admitted this year. I did a fair amount of research (in lieu of hiring a consultant). Current and former Dartmouth AOs are prolific in media--e.g., Lee Coffin's podcast (and appearances on others' podcasts), Valedictorians at the Gate (book), Inside the Admissions Office podcast, etc. Critically, there's no formula and the threshold issue is academic capability. Applicants must do very well in high school: Top 5-10% in class, many APs/IBs, high test scores, and reasonable AP test performance. But academic capability only gets one's foot in the door. Beyond that, here are some of the things that Dartmouth looks for:

Impact: This applies to all colleges, but Dartmouth likes applicants who show that they make an impact, whether it is in their classroom, community, or broader.

Demonstrated Interest: I'm not talking about tours or website visits. Dartmouth is probably the most distinct flavor of the Ivies, and it wants you to understand that distinction rather than merely applying because of its Ivy status. This means understanding that it offers a liberal arts education (broad and often interdisciplinary) and that it's rural location and tight campus community are integral to the Dartmouth experience. Applicants should show that they understand this and that it strongly appeals to them. Dartmouth likes applicants that genuinely like Dartmouth.

Benefit to the Community: As an isolated, small school with a tight community, applicants should show what they bring to that community and that they, well, aren't jerks. This doesn't require anything specific, but I think it helps if applicants can show things like they are kind, they are great teammates or friends, they inspire others, leadership, they're funny, they're quiet but profound, etc., etc. Applicants show show that they'd contribute to the community positively and, if possible, distinctly.

Intellectual Curiosity: This goes back a little to Dartmouth's liberal arts nature, but I think Dartmouth likely prefers kids who are interested in learning for learning's sake. If an applicant's application only shows myopic and pragmatic interest in, say, computer science, one has to question why that applicant is applying to Dartmouth.

Anyhow, it's a great school for the right kid.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1206949.page

This is really comprehensive.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Based on the SCOIR data of our private school, the students that got into Dartmouth have higher stats than those that got into Princeton, Brown, Columbia and Penn.

No way.

I don't believe this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth has been having a very heavy DEI, gender diversity push lately.

Not true. Class of 2027 is 60% white. 60%. In AMERICA.

It takes effort to be an elite school with 60% white kids. And more boys than girls too.


https://admissions.dartmouth.edu/apply/class-profile-testing

The US is 60% white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Based on the SCOIR data of our private school, the students that got into Dartmouth have higher stats than those that got into Princeton, Brown, Columbia and Penn.

No way.

I don't believe this.

Why? They’re peer institutes. If it makes you feel sour, Princeton has the lowest admit stats according to DC’s Naviance. College hasn’t been about raw stats in decades

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth has been having a very heavy DEI, gender diversity push lately.

Not true. Class of 2027 is 60% white. 60%. In AMERICA.

It takes effort to be an elite school with 60% white kids. And more boys than girls too.


https://admissions.dartmouth.edu/apply/class-profile-testing

The US is 60% white.

DP but the more boys than girls is perplexing and a red flag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who replies to both Princeton and Dartmouth has no idea what they want

At least they are both more conservative, so not totally different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Based on the SCOIR data of our private school, the students that got into Dartmouth have higher stats than those that got into Princeton, Brown, Columbia and Penn.

No way.

I don't believe this.

NP.
Dartmouth harder than Yale and Harvard at our private…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter is at Dartmouth and had the stats to apply to any college (understanding that it can be a crap shoot at the highest level). She chose to ED to Dartmouth. She's very outdoorsy and liked that it was more isolated than an urban school. She wanted a real campus feel.

She's very outgoing but wasn't crazy about the idea of the Greek scene. She talked to some upperclassmen who she knew who helped alleviate her concerns. She was shocked to find that she wanted to pledge a sorority in sophomore year, when Dartmouth does rush.

I think the most important factor to her was the focus on undergraduate teaching. It's hard to find that at an Ivy. She also felt that she could handle the intense quarter system.

This is a long way to say that for some students, what Dartmouth offers is more important than the prestige of an "upper" Ivy. She will likely consider those schools for grad school.

+1 DC had the stats to be accepted at highly selective schools, complete with international and national EC's and awards, as well as a LOR describing her as a generational talent—a characterization that might have been a bit exaggerated, in my view. However, stellar applications are necessary but not always sufficient. At smaller institutions like Dartmouth, there's a strong emphasis on admitting individuals who are not only academically excellent but also good community members and a fit for the campus. DC fell in love with the beauty of Dartmouth's secluded campus, and the tight-knit community that thrives in such an environment and, although she planned to major in a science field, the liberal arts education captivated her. This genuine interest was likely evident to the admissions committee, while it seems that your friend might not have demonstrated a connection that resonated as strongly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth has been having a very heavy DEI, gender diversity push lately.

Not true. Class of 2027 is 60% white. 60%. In AMERICA.

It takes effort to be an elite school with 60% white kids. And more boys than girls too.


https://admissions.dartmouth.edu/apply/class-profile-testing

The US is 60% white.

People keep saying this as if it should mean something.

Dartmouth admits international students and the world isn't 60% white.

[Anonymous]

UCLA isn't an Ivy Plus school and isn't Dartmouth level despite USNWR's recent ranking changes based on DEI. I'd want my kid to go to Dartmouth, Harvard or Princeton. Maybe Yale. UCLA would be out of the question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My high-stats, unhooked DC was admitted this year. I did a fair amount of research (in lieu of hiring a consultant). Current and former Dartmouth AOs are prolific in media--e.g., Lee Coffin's podcast (and appearances on others' podcasts), Valedictorians at the Gate (book), Inside the Admissions Office podcast, etc. Critically, there's no formula and the threshold issue is academic capability. Applicants must do very well in high school: Top 5-10% in class, many APs/IBs, high test scores, and reasonable AP test performance. But academic capability only gets one's foot in the door. Beyond that, here are some of the things that Dartmouth looks for:

Impact: This applies to all colleges, but Dartmouth likes applicants who show that they make an impact, whether it is in their classroom, community, or broader.

Demonstrated Interest: I'm not talking about tours or website visits. Dartmouth is probably the most distinct flavor of the Ivies, and it wants you to understand that distinction rather than merely applying because of its Ivy status. This means understanding that it offers a liberal arts education (broad and often interdisciplinary) and that it's rural location and tight campus community are integral to the Dartmouth experience. Applicants should show that they understand this and that it strongly appeals to them. Dartmouth likes applicants that genuinely like Dartmouth.

Benefit to the Community: As an isolated, small school with a tight community, applicants should show what they bring to that community and that they, well, aren't jerks. This doesn't require anything specific, but I think it helps if applicants can show things like they are kind, they are great teammates or friends, they inspire others, leadership, they're funny, they're quiet but profound, etc., etc. Applicants show show that they'd contribute to the community positively and, if possible, distinctly.

Intellectual Curiosity: This goes back a little to Dartmouth's liberal arts nature, but I think Dartmouth likely prefers kids who are interested in learning for learning's sake. If an applicant's application only shows myopic and pragmatic interest in, say, computer science, one has to question why that applicant is applying to Dartmouth.

Anyhow, it's a great school for the right kid.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1206949.page

Your thoughts were reasonable until you wrote the bolded portion.

I took this too mean Dartmouth leans more "life of the mind" and less pre-professional. If a student is clear interest in a particular engineering discipline for example, there are other options that may provide a better fit than Dartmouth's 4-year non-ABET or their 5-year ABET, but more general engineering program. Or for CS, the student interest in Dartmouth is not likely the same student interested in CMU, Cornell, Berkeley, etc. I didnt read it as derogatory to a pre-professionally minded student