Is MoCo taking advantage of Rockville's pool

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Anonymous wrote:RMSC is jointly funded by the city and Montgomery county per the website description (Isnt that why it is called Rockville Montgomery Swim Club). So MoCo residents outside of Rockville are also funding it with their taxpayer dollars.

Your objection doesn't hold.

The numbers are above for the RSFC site Rockville. The amount the RSFC facility expends vs the revenue they generate including swim teams is about $400,000.

I don't think Rockville funds RMSC in any other manner than covering the cost of the pool, that would be an additional outlay, that I am unaware of. Yes, there are other RMSC sites subsidized by MOCO, but I am not as concerned or informed except maybe KSAC. The KSAC team seemed to be a class act or at least were good at not raising any eyebrows at tryouts, but they are closed and don't have a pool.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

I am not for closing the pool down, but like you I am for defunding the Rays and cracking down on their shady dealings.

Wait!! Is this the rays troll?!! 😂

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Anonymous wrote:RMSC is jointly funded by the city and Montgomery county per the website description (Isnt that why it is called Rockville Montgomery Swim Club). So MoCo residents outside of Rockville are also funding it with their taxpayer dollars.

Your objection doesn't hold.

The numbers are above for the RSFC site Rockville. The amount the RSFC facility expends vs the revenue they generate including swim teams is about $400,000.

I don't think Rockville funds RMSC in any other manner than covering the cost of the pool, that would be an additional outlay, that I am unaware of. Yes, there are other RMSC sites subsidized by MOCO, but I am not as concerned or informed except maybe KSAC. The KSAC team seemed to be a class act or at least were good at not raising any eyebrows at tryouts, but they are closed and don't have a pool.

RMSC KASC did not "close".

The facility is closed now for renovations. The RMSC KSAC team, as an entity, continues to exist and will practice at several different locations in the county while the renovations take place. Once they are complete, the RMSC KSAC team will resume practices at KSAC.

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Anonymous wrote:RMSC is jointly funded by the city and Montgomery county per the website description (Isnt that why it is called Rockville Montgomery Swim Club). So MoCo residents outside of Rockville are also funding it with their taxpayer dollars.

Your objection doesn't hold.

The numbers are above for the RSFC site Rockville. The amount the RSFC facility expends vs the revenue they generate including swim teams is about $400,000.

I don't think Rockville funds RMSC in any other manner than covering the cost of the pool, that would be an additional outlay, that I am unaware of. Yes, there are other RMSC sites subsidized by MOCO, but I am not as concerned or informed except maybe KSAC. The KSAC team seemed to be a class act or at least were good at not raising any eyebrows at tryouts, but they are closed and don't have a pool.

Ksac is hit or miss with coaches. Our first one was fine, next one was terrible to the point kids quit or transferred. We stuck it out. Next set are wonderful.

Rockville probably subsides the pool costs on top of what the county does. Pool is being renovated. It’s sorely needed.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

Tip from a parent with older kids: you might be the reason that your daughter didn't make RMSC. I have sat through multiple talks with high school and college coaches in swimming and other sports who are very upfront about parent behavior they won't accept. Disrupting other kids' tryouts by pointing at them and calling "fraud" would fall in that category. Coaches mention that they don't want unhelpful parents and will tell college coaches in the recruiting process if a certain parents are pains-in-the-neck (not to mention cut kids from the team whose parents are disruptive). They have a lot of kids to deal with, they simply can't stop the program for a troublemaker. This is pretty common in any travel sport in which my kids were involved (though to be clear, I have no direct experience with the RMSC program). Maybe this isn't it at all, but physically pointing at another kid while they are trying out or loudly calling a coach a "fraud" sounds pretty disruptive. Also, forcing them to restructure their tryout process also sounds disruptive to the team.

Also, please be open to the idea that you don't have the full story with a situation that didn't involve you: who knows why there was a tryout occurring or who that other kid was.

Take it for what it is worth - it is your daughter's experience you might be undermining.

Given this is an older child, she may have been older than the other kids. Diving off blocks is normal. To go into juniors at a minimum you need to have the basics like legal in all four stokes, diving in the pool, etc. Youngest minis are more flexible. Usually at junior age there are at best a handful of slots and it goes to the best who try out. Rockville and Ksac are the hardest pools to get into.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

I am not for closing the pool down, but like you I am for defunding the Rays and cracking down on their shady dealings.

Wait!! Is this the rays troll?!! 😂

No, this is a different person... but similar with unrealistic views/expectations.

They are clearly new(er) to swimming and just beginning to figure out how things work. They are realizing now that their lack of prioritizing swimming a few years ago means that their daughter isn't quite good enough WRT her peers trying out to get selected at Rockville or at KSAC and rather than understand that it is what it is and accept this(can't go back in time), they are stuck ruminating about RSFC and RMSC operations and blaming them for their shortcomings.

There are plenty of things they could do now and focus on to better their chance in making the team in the future but they don't seem keen on any of that.

Regardless, DCUM is here for them 24/7/365 so they have that going for them.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have any further questions.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

Tip from a parent with older kids: you might be the reason that your daughter didn't make RMSC. I have sat through multiple talks with high school and college coaches in swimming and other sports who are very upfront about parent behavior they won't accept. Disrupting other kids' tryouts by pointing at them and calling "fraud" would fall in that category. Coaches mention that they don't want unhelpful parents and will tell college coaches in the recruiting process if a certain parents are pains-in-the-neck (not to mention cut kids from the team whose parents are disruptive). They have a lot of kids to deal with, they simply can't stop the program for a troublemaker. This is pretty common in any travel sport in which my kids were involved (though to be clear, I have no direct experience with the RMSC program). Maybe this isn't it at all, but physically pointing at another kid while they are trying out or loudly calling a coach a "fraud" sounds pretty disruptive. Also, forcing them to restructure their tryout process also sounds disruptive to the team.

Also, please be open to the idea that you don't have the full story with a situation that didn't involve you: who knows why there was a tryout occurring or who that other kid was.

Take it for what it is worth - it is your daughter's experience you might be undermining.

Given this is an older child, she may have been older than the other kids. Diving off blocks is normal. To go into juniors at a minimum you need to have the basics like legal in all four stokes, diving in the pool, etc. Youngest minis are more flexible. Usually at junior age there are at best a handful of slots and it goes to the best who try out. Rockville and Ksac are the hardest pools to get into.

No, the child was a seven year old at the time. She had had all of the listed prerequisites eg strokers III for the tryout. There are no classes that she would have been eligible for that would have covered diving off racing blocks, at least at the RSFC lessons. She turn seven in the spring (march), there were some classes available though she had to take the prerequisites, and we were doing summer league. There were other places she could have picked it up. There are "dive" clinics down in Potomac of all places. I didn't realize they existed until this year. Ther are other competitive swim teams she could have transferred from. There are private lessons taught by the RMSC coaches.

Generally, it isn't questioned this was a mistake. They may have accidentally mistaken her for a transfer or something. The coaches have had to redo their safety training and have apologized.

However, that doesn't mean there isn't blood in the water if you know what I mean.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

Tip from a parent with older kids: you might be the reason that your daughter didn't make RMSC. I have sat through multiple talks with high school and college coaches in swimming and other sports who are very upfront about parent behavior they won't accept. Disrupting other kids' tryouts by pointing at them and calling "fraud" would fall in that category. Coaches mention that they don't want unhelpful parents and will tell college coaches in the recruiting process if a certain parents are pains-in-the-neck (not to mention cut kids from the team whose parents are disruptive). They have a lot of kids to deal with, they simply can't stop the program for a troublemaker. This is pretty common in any travel sport in which my kids were involved (though to be clear, I have no direct experience with the RMSC program). Maybe this isn't it at all, but physically pointing at another kid while they are trying out or loudly calling a coach a "fraud" sounds pretty disruptive. Also, forcing them to restructure their tryout process also sounds disruptive to the team.

Also, please be open to the idea that you don't have the full story with a situation that didn't involve you: who knows why there was a tryout occurring or who that other kid was.

Take it for what it is worth - it is your daughter's experience you might be undermining.

Given this is an older child, she may have been older than the other kids. Diving off blocks is normal. To go into juniors at a minimum you need to have the basics like legal in all four stokes, diving in the pool, etc. Youngest minis are more flexible. Usually at junior age there are at best a handful of slots and it goes to the best who try out. Rockville and Ksac are the hardest pools to get into.

No, the child was a seven year old at the time. She had had all of the listed prerequisites eg strokers III for the tryout. There are no classes that she would have been eligible for that would have covered diving off racing blocks, at least at the RSFC lessons. She turn seven in the spring (march), there were some classes available though she had to take the prerequisites, and we were doing summer league. There were other places she could have picked it up. There are "dive" clinics down in Potomac of all places. I didn't realize they existed until this year. Ther are other competitive swim teams she could have transferred from. There are private lessons taught by the RMSC coaches.

Generally, it isn't questioned this was a mistake. They may have accidentally mistaken her for a transfer or something. The coaches have had to redo their safety training and have apologized.

However, that doesn't mean there isn't blood in the water if you know what I mean.

Your child is older for mini's and would need to be at the top of their game. They weren't ready. She was at the older end so there are more expectations than a 5-6 year old which is probably why they asked her to do more. Your kid should swim 3-4 times a week to be on a competitive team. Put her in a bunch of classes so she can do multiple times a week or go to a private group.

Many kids are turned down the first time. We tried out 4 times and went to an easier pool, then transferred.

Rockville has swim team prep & mini swim team prep - sign her up for a few. They are listed on the Rockville rec department website.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

So, you think they should kick out a child and take yours? None are covid cheaters. Swim was back and very distanced. They take the best of the bunch for the slots they have open. Your kid was not the best of the bunch. Get of this website and take them swimming to practice.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

Tip from a parent with older kids: you might be the reason that your daughter didn't make RMSC. I have sat through multiple talks with high school and college coaches in swimming and other sports who are very upfront about parent behavior they won't accept. Disrupting other kids' tryouts by pointing at them and calling "fraud" would fall in that category. Coaches mention that they don't want unhelpful parents and will tell college coaches in the recruiting process if a certain parents are pains-in-the-neck (not to mention cut kids from the team whose parents are disruptive). They have a lot of kids to deal with, they simply can't stop the program for a troublemaker. This is pretty common in any travel sport in which my kids were involved (though to be clear, I have no direct experience with the RMSC program). Maybe this isn't it at all, but physically pointing at another kid while they are trying out or loudly calling a coach a "fraud" sounds pretty disruptive. Also, forcing them to restructure their tryout process also sounds disruptive to the team.

Also, please be open to the idea that you don't have the full story with a situation that didn't involve you: who knows why there was a tryout occurring or who that other kid was.

Take it for what it is worth - it is your daughter's experience you might be undermining.

Given this is an older child, she may have been older than the other kids. Diving off blocks is normal. To go into juniors at a minimum you need to have the basics like legal in all four stokes, diving in the pool, etc. Youngest minis are more flexible. Usually at junior age there are at best a handful of slots and it goes to the best who try out. Rockville and Ksac are the hardest pools to get into.

No, the child was a seven year old at the time. She had had all of the listed prerequisites eg strokers III for the tryout. There are no classes that she would have been eligible for that would have covered diving off racing blocks, at least at the RSFC lessons. She turn seven in the spring (march), there were some classes available though she had to take the prerequisites, and we were doing summer league. There were other places she could have picked it up. There are "dive" clinics down in Potomac of all places. I didn't realize they existed until this year. Ther are other competitive swim teams she could have transferred from. There are private lessons taught by the RMSC coaches.

Generally, it isn't questioned this was a mistake. They may have accidentally mistaken her for a transfer or something. The coaches have had to redo their safety training and have apologized.

However, that doesn't mean there isn't blood in the water if you know what I mean.

So, is the child 7 or 8 now? They are the oldest for mini's transitioning to jr.s so they are expected to do more than the 5-6 year olds. I posted options. You can do preteam and do multiple sessions to get a few days a week, then try again next year or go private. Your kid will really struggle to get in as a junior as there are very few slots so they really need to be the best.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

Tip from a parent with older kids: you might be the reason that your daughter didn't make RMSC. I have sat through multiple talks with high school and college coaches in swimming and other sports who are very upfront about parent behavior they won't accept. Disrupting other kids' tryouts by pointing at them and calling "fraud" would fall in that category. Coaches mention that they don't want unhelpful parents and will tell college coaches in the recruiting process if a certain parents are pains-in-the-neck (not to mention cut kids from the team whose parents are disruptive). They have a lot of kids to deal with, they simply can't stop the program for a troublemaker. This is pretty common in any travel sport in which my kids were involved (though to be clear, I have no direct experience with the RMSC program). Maybe this isn't it at all, but physically pointing at another kid while they are trying out or loudly calling a coach a "fraud" sounds pretty disruptive. Also, forcing them to restructure their tryout process also sounds disruptive to the team.

Also, please be open to the idea that you don't have the full story with a situation that didn't involve you: who knows why there was a tryout occurring or who that other kid was.

Take it for what it is worth - it is your daughter's experience you might be undermining.

Given this is an older child, she may have been older than the other kids. Diving off blocks is normal. To go into juniors at a minimum you need to have the basics like legal in all four stokes, diving in the pool, etc. Youngest minis are more flexible. Usually at junior age there are at best a handful of slots and it goes to the best who try out. Rockville and Ksac are the hardest pools to get into.

No, the child was a seven year old at the time. She had had all of the listed prerequisites eg strokers III for the tryout. There are no classes that she would have been eligible for that would have covered diving off racing blocks, at least at the RSFC lessons. She turn seven in the spring (march), there were some classes available though she had to take the prerequisites, and we were doing summer league. There were other places she could have picked it up. There are "dive" clinics down in Potomac of all places. I didn't realize they existed until this year. Ther are other competitive swim teams she could have transferred from. There are private lessons taught by the RMSC coaches.

Generally, it isn't questioned this was a mistake. They may have accidentally mistaken her for a transfer or something. The coaches have had to redo their safety training and have apologized.

However, that doesn't mean there isn't blood in the water if you know what I mean.

So, is the child 7 or 8 now? They are the oldest for mini's transitioning to jr.s so they are expected to do more than the 5-6 year olds. I posted options. You can do preteam and do multiple sessions to get a few days a week, then try again next year or go private. Your kid will really struggle to get in as a junior as there are very few slots so they really need to be the best.

I just want my tax dollars back.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

Did you forget to take your meds today? I know multiple swimmers now swimming d1 that started swimming at 9,10, or 11.

As others have mentioned there are other learn to swim programs in the area. You aren’t entitled to a spot with RMSC even if a Rockville resident. Do your research and stop blaming others.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

It sounds like it was more of a priority issue - it just wasn't a priority for you at that time. We all make choices, we can't do/participate in everything all the time.

But, having said that, I think it unrealistic to think that you can completely change the entire system to suit your particular corner-case situation; not to mention it's not a particularly productive or healthy mindset example for your daughter.

If she really wants to swim over the winter, rather than waste time on an option that isn't on the table right now, you should be pursuing options/avenues that are.

I'm glad you brought up how my daughter thinks and feels. She generally appreciates it when I stick up for her. We had an incident in soccer where one of the coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. We pulled her from the program, money back thank you very much.

Any way daughter knew she was getting the rough end of the stick at the tryouts when they made her jump off the racing blocks, but they didn't make anyone else. After RSFC RMSC started having private tryouts a few weeks before official public tryouts, and we were at the pool doing our lap swim right next to the coaches doing private lessons. I pointed out to her that they were doing that because they were being anti-competitive they were afraid of her and didn't want her on the team they were making her jump through excessive hoops and giving other kids privileges. I pointed to coaches and told her to get a good look at fraud. Life lessons, priceless. They later had to restructure their private tryouts, but do you think they appreciated that I turned them in or made them do that. No.

This team needs to be defunded.

Tip from a parent with older kids: you might be the reason that your daughter didn't make RMSC. I have sat through multiple talks with high school and college coaches in swimming and other sports who are very upfront about parent behavior they won't accept. Disrupting other kids' tryouts by pointing at them and calling "fraud" would fall in that category. Coaches mention that they don't want unhelpful parents and will tell college coaches in the recruiting process if a certain parents are pains-in-the-neck (not to mention cut kids from the team whose parents are disruptive). They have a lot of kids to deal with, they simply can't stop the program for a troublemaker. This is pretty common in any travel sport in which my kids were involved (though to be clear, I have no direct experience with the RMSC program). Maybe this isn't it at all, but physically pointing at another kid while they are trying out or loudly calling a coach a "fraud" sounds pretty disruptive. Also, forcing them to restructure their tryout process also sounds disruptive to the team.

Also, please be open to the idea that you don't have the full story with a situation that didn't involve you: who knows why there was a tryout occurring or who that other kid was.

Take it for what it is worth - it is your daughter's experience you might be undermining.

Given this is an older child, she may have been older than the other kids. Diving off blocks is normal. To go into juniors at a minimum you need to have the basics like legal in all four stokes, diving in the pool, etc. Youngest minis are more flexible. Usually at junior age there are at best a handful of slots and it goes to the best who try out. Rockville and Ksac are the hardest pools to get into.

No, the child was a seven year old at the time. She had had all of the listed prerequisites eg strokers III for the tryout. There are no classes that she would have been eligible for that would have covered diving off racing blocks, at least at the RSFC lessons. She turn seven in the spring (march), there were some classes available though she had to take the prerequisites, and we were doing summer league. There were other places she could have picked it up. There are "dive" clinics down in Potomac of all places. I didn't realize they existed until this year. Ther are other competitive swim teams she could have transferred from. There are private lessons taught by the RMSC coaches.

Generally, it isn't questioned this was a mistake. They may have accidentally mistaken her for a transfer or something. The coaches have had to redo their safety training and have apologized.

However, that doesn't mean there isn't blood in the water if you know what I mean.

So, is the child 7 or 8 now? They are the oldest for mini's transitioning to jr.s so they are expected to do more than the 5-6 year olds. I posted options. You can do preteam and do multiple sessions to get a few days a week, then try again next year or go private. Your kid will really struggle to get in as a junior as there are very few slots so they really need to be the best.

I just want my tax dollars back.

How much of your tax dollars do you think actually went to the pool? And what percent of that supported RMSC?