What’s up with all the sketchy moped drivers?

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At least in your second sentence you square the lie and admit that they come nowhere close to following the law better than cars; that’s just something you like to say.

That poster is right. Nobody said you had to like it.

It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

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I work in Gallery Place and have almost been hit by one of these guys on K Street just north of Gallery. The guy ran a red light and turned left into a group of pedestrians. I do occasionally see cops parked at 5th and K, but when they are not there the moped drivers do whatever they want. I am not against making a living but am against driving into a group of pedestrians or driving on the sidewalk.

The difference is that a car would kill all of them; a moped, much less likely. I watch traffic carefully and have not see the moped drivers (the Latino delivery drivers) ignore traffic lights but did almost get creamed by a driver turning on a red arrow yesterday.

Well I have seen it many, many times all over downtown. They’re a menace to pedestrians.

Also, as someone who has had to go to ER after hitting my head in an accidental fall on the street in DC, I cannot even imagine how much it hurts to get hit by a moped, even one going 10-15 mph. It is absolutely not a minor thing to drive a moped toward pedestrians who are in a crosswalk.

If you think getting hit by a moped will really hurt you, you should try getting hit by a two ton SUV.

Are you seriously arguing that people can't be hurt by a moped? There have been people killed by being hit by a bike in DC. It is not only cars that kill pedestrians.

Moped drivers who drive in crosswalks should be fined snd deported if they are here illegally. They are a cancer on society.

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At least in your second sentence you square the lie and admit that they come nowhere close to following the law better than cars; that’s just something you like to say.

That poster is right. Nobody said you had to like it.

It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

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I work in Gallery Place and have almost been hit by one of these guys on K Street just north of Gallery. The guy ran a red light and turned left into a group of pedestrians. I do occasionally see cops parked at 5th and K, but when they are not there the moped drivers do whatever they want. I am not against making a living but am against driving into a group of pedestrians or driving on the sidewalk.

The difference is that a car would kill all of them; a moped, much less likely. I watch traffic carefully and have not see the moped drivers (the Latino delivery drivers) ignore traffic lights but did almost get creamed by a driver turning on a red arrow yesterday.

Well I have seen it many, many times all over downtown. They’re a menace to pedestrians.

Also, as someone who has had to go to ER after hitting my head in an accidental fall on the street in DC, I cannot even imagine how much it hurts to get hit by a moped, even one going 10-15 mph. It is absolutely not a minor thing to drive a moped toward pedestrians who are in a crosswalk.

If you think getting hit by a moped will really hurt you, you should try getting hit by a two ton SUV.

Are you seriously arguing that people can't be hurt by a moped? There have been people killed by being hit by a bike in DC. It is not only cars that kill pedestrians.

Moped drivers who drive in crosswalks should be fined snd deported if they are here illegally. They are a cancer on society.

Cars literally cause cancer in society.

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Oh is that the standard you invented? Pretty dumb argument but as a factual matter, someone one on a moped could of course wipe out a family in a crosswalk. If you hit your head on the cement, all bets are off.

Has this happened recently in DC? No? So just a presumption then.

A DC driver - with thousands of dollars in unpaid speeding tickets no less - hit an elderly woman in a crosswalk in NW DC on June 5th and killed her. That is a fact.

Yet despite the fact that it is drivers out there that out there actually doing the killing, you are concerned about a hypothetical involving moped drivers.

Could this be, perhaps, you drive a vehicle and not a moped and so view drivers as "us" and moped riders as "them"?

To cut a long story short please take your chauvinistic nonsense elsewhere.

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At least in your second sentence you square the lie and admit that they come nowhere close to following the law better than cars; that’s just something you like to say.

That poster is right. Nobody said you had to like it.

It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

+1

I work in Gallery Place and have almost been hit by one of these guys on K Street just north of Gallery. The guy ran a red light and turned left into a group of pedestrians. I do occasionally see cops parked at 5th and K, but when they are not there the moped drivers do whatever they want. I am not against making a living but am against driving into a group of pedestrians or driving on the sidewalk.

The difference is that a car would kill all of them; a moped, much less likely. I watch traffic carefully and have not see the moped drivers (the Latino delivery drivers) ignore traffic lights but did almost get creamed by a driver turning on a red arrow yesterday.

Well I have seen it many, many times all over downtown. They’re a menace to pedestrians.

Also, as someone who has had to go to ER after hitting my head in an accidental fall on the street in DC, I cannot even imagine how much it hurts to get hit by a moped, even one going 10-15 mph. It is absolutely not a minor thing to drive a moped toward pedestrians who are in a crosswalk.

If you think getting hit by a moped will really hurt you, you should try getting hit by a two ton SUV.

Are you seriously arguing that people can't be hurt by a moped? There have been people killed by being hit by a bike in DC. It is not only cars that kill pedestrians.

Moped drivers who drive in crosswalks should be fined snd deported if they are here illegally. They are a cancer on society.

People can be hit and severely hurt by mopeds. It just doesn't happen very frequently relative to people being hit and severely hurt by motor vehicles. I won't patronize you by explaining the physical differences between motor vehicles and mopeds that explains this.

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

With all these moped drivers driving like maniacs, it's only a matter of time before the second category exceeds the first.

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

Those 15 bikers/pedestrians would be alive if they make their “error” with a moped instead of a car.

Weird how even when it's not the car driver's fault, it's still the car driver's fault.

There was a recent accident in which one person on an e-bike drove into another person on an e-bike and one of them was killed. Still a car driver's fault, though, right?

Do you not understand that a car is inherently more deadly than a moped?

Car drivers are the most law abiding people on the road.

Look at the numbers. In 2022, there were 17 deaths attributed to cars. That's out of *billions* of trips taken. There were 15 deaths blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. How many people ride bikes or scooters in this city? Maybe 500?

Maybe cyclists and moped drivers should learn how to ride safely.

No. Actual studies say drivers are less likely to abide by road rules than bicyclists. You can easily find these studies with a simple Google search. But be forewarned that reality may necessarily not be in the business of affirming your silly prejudices.

Funny that you cite 2022 data. Probably because you know that there were more road deaths in 2023 than in any year since 2007.

A woman in my DV neighborhood was killed on a crosswalk - which she was crossing with the signal - by a driver who literally had thousands in outstanding unpaid fines. But she doesn’t matter, right, because she is only one person? And we shouldn’t worry about the driver either because s/he only accumulated a couple of dozen tickets out of tens of thousands of trips right up until the point where s/he killed someone.

Moronic, bigoted blowhards like yourself make me absolutely sick.

Hey dipshit, I'm just looking at the official data the DC police department puts out on traffic accidents. 2022 is the latest year they have.

It's pretty shocking though that only 17 people were killed by motorists, and nearly an identical number were blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. Doesn't really confirm the lies we see here every day, does it?

Oh, you're the poster who weirdly believes that non-motorists found at fault were somehow killed by themselves. They weren't. They were also killed by motorists.

Obviously, you don't even know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The data doesn't say.

We don't know if the non-motorists killed by motorists were killed by motorists? Yes we do.

The only thing we know is that you're a liar.

The police data says 15 cyclists/scooters/pedestrians were at fault in traffic accidents in which they died. We don't know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The statistics don't say.

Cyclists, et al are perfectly capable are getting themselves killed without the aid of motorists.

If you were actually interested in traffic safety, you would look at police press releases. Yes, we do know that they were killed by motorists.

So you're just a serial liar? Here's what the police actually say, complete with citation:

In 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths. The causes were:

Pedestrian error -- 12
Speeding -- 9
Driver drunk or stoned -- 4
Driver error -- 4
Bicycle error -- 2
Medical emergency -- 2
Scooter/Motorcycle/ATV error -- 1
Hit and Run/Unknown -- 1

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

The number of deaths caused by motorists is far, far smaller than WABA would have you believe.

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

With all these moped drivers driving like maniacs, it's only a matter of time before the second category exceeds the first.

Would love to see the city care about traffic violations from every category of driver. Crackdowns on the fake tags would have a ripple effect driving down all kinds of crime.

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

Those 15 bikers/pedestrians would be alive if they make their “error” with a moped instead of a car.

Weird how even when it's not the car driver's fault, it's still the car driver's fault.

There was a recent accident in which one person on an e-bike drove into another person on an e-bike and one of them was killed. Still a car driver's fault, though, right?

Do you not understand that a car is inherently more deadly than a moped?

Car drivers are the most law abiding people on the road.

Look at the numbers. In 2022, there were 17 deaths attributed to cars. That's out of *billions* of trips taken. There were 15 deaths blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. How many people ride bikes or scooters in this city? Maybe 500?

Maybe cyclists and moped drivers should learn how to ride safely.

No. Actual studies say drivers are less likely to abide by road rules than bicyclists. You can easily find these studies with a simple Google search. But be forewarned that reality may necessarily not be in the business of affirming your silly prejudices.

Funny that you cite 2022 data. Probably because you know that there were more road deaths in 2023 than in any year since 2007.

A woman in my DV neighborhood was killed on a crosswalk - which she was crossing with the signal - by a driver who literally had thousands in outstanding unpaid fines. But she doesn’t matter, right, because she is only one person? And we shouldn’t worry about the driver either because s/he only accumulated a couple of dozen tickets out of tens of thousands of trips right up until the point where s/he killed someone.

Moronic, bigoted blowhards like yourself make me absolutely sick.

Hey dipshit, I'm just looking at the official data the DC police department puts out on traffic accidents. 2022 is the latest year they have.

It's pretty shocking though that only 17 people were killed by motorists, and nearly an identical number were blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. Doesn't really confirm the lies we see here every day, does it?

Oh, you're the poster who weirdly believes that non-motorists found at fault were somehow killed by themselves. They weren't. They were also killed by motorists.

Obviously, you don't even know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The data doesn't say.

We don't know if the non-motorists killed by motorists were killed by motorists? Yes we do.

The only thing we know is that you're a liar.

The police data says 15 cyclists/scooters/pedestrians were at fault in traffic accidents in which they died. We don't know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The statistics don't say.

Cyclists, et al are perfectly capable are getting themselves killed without the aid of motorists.

If you were actually interested in traffic safety, you would look at police press releases. Yes, we do know that they were killed by motorists.

So you're just a serial liar? Here's what the police actually say, complete with citation:

In 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths. The causes were:

Pedestrian error -- 12
Speeding -- 9
Driver drunk or stoned -- 4
Driver error -- 4
Bicycle error -- 2
Medical emergency -- 2
Scooter/Motorcycle/ATV error -- 1
Hit and Run/Unknown -- 1

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

The number of deaths caused by motorists is far, far smaller than WABA would have you believe.

Eh? WABA uses the same numbers you're using, from the same source. I.e., in 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths.

[Anonymous]

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

With all these moped drivers driving like maniacs, it's only a matter of time before the second category exceeds the first.

Would love to see the city care about traffic violations from every category of driver. Crackdowns on the fake tags would have a ripple effect driving down all kinds of crime.

We have a "broken windows" problem with traffic enforcement.

People see 12 year olds on three wheelers going down the middle of Georgia Avenue. They see people on mopeds going 40 mph through stop signs. They see bicyclists ignoring every single traffic law.

They see nothing happens to any of these people and then they feel like suckers for being the only ones who obey traffic laws so then they don't. Bad behavior spreads and becomes the norm.

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

Those 15 bikers/pedestrians would be alive if they make their “error” with a moped instead of a car.

Weird how even when it's not the car driver's fault, it's still the car driver's fault.

There was a recent accident in which one person on an e-bike drove into another person on an e-bike and one of them was killed. Still a car driver's fault, though, right?

Do you not understand that a car is inherently more deadly than a moped?

Car drivers are the most law abiding people on the road.

Look at the numbers. In 2022, there were 17 deaths attributed to cars. That's out of *billions* of trips taken. There were 15 deaths blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. How many people ride bikes or scooters in this city? Maybe 500?

Maybe cyclists and moped drivers should learn how to ride safely.

No. Actual studies say drivers are less likely to abide by road rules than bicyclists. You can easily find these studies with a simple Google search. But be forewarned that reality may necessarily not be in the business of affirming your silly prejudices.

Funny that you cite 2022 data. Probably because you know that there were more road deaths in 2023 than in any year since 2007.

A woman in my DV neighborhood was killed on a crosswalk - which she was crossing with the signal - by a driver who literally had thousands in outstanding unpaid fines. But she doesn’t matter, right, because she is only one person? And we shouldn’t worry about the driver either because s/he only accumulated a couple of dozen tickets out of tens of thousands of trips right up until the point where s/he killed someone.

Moronic, bigoted blowhards like yourself make me absolutely sick.

Hey dipshit, I'm just looking at the official data the DC police department puts out on traffic accidents. 2022 is the latest year they have.

It's pretty shocking though that only 17 people were killed by motorists, and nearly an identical number were blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. Doesn't really confirm the lies we see here every day, does it?

Oh, you're the poster who weirdly believes that non-motorists found at fault were somehow killed by themselves. They weren't. They were also killed by motorists.

Obviously, you don't even know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The data doesn't say.

We don't know if the non-motorists killed by motorists were killed by motorists? Yes we do.

The only thing we know is that you're a liar.

The police data says 15 cyclists/scooters/pedestrians were at fault in traffic accidents in which they died. We don't know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The statistics don't say.

Cyclists, et al are perfectly capable are getting themselves killed without the aid of motorists.

If you were actually interested in traffic safety, you would look at police press releases. Yes, we do know that they were killed by motorists.

So you're just a serial liar? Here's what the police actually say, complete with citation:

In 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths. The causes were:

Pedestrian error -- 12
Speeding -- 9
Driver drunk or stoned -- 4
Driver error -- 4
Bicycle error -- 2
Medical emergency -- 2
Scooter/Motorcycle/ATV error -- 1
Hit and Run/Unknown -- 1

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

The number of deaths caused by motorists is far, far smaller than WABA would have you believe.

Eh? WABA uses the same numbers you're using, from the same source. I.e., in 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths.

And I'm sure they're careful to note that roughly half those deaths are blamed on cyclists and scooters and pedestrians, right? So as not to mislead anyone?

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

Those 15 bikers/pedestrians would be alive if they make their “error” with a moped instead of a car.

Weird how even when it's not the car driver's fault, it's still the car driver's fault.

There was a recent accident in which one person on an e-bike drove into another person on an e-bike and one of them was killed. Still a car driver's fault, though, right?

Do you not understand that a car is inherently more deadly than a moped?

Car drivers are the most law abiding people on the road.

Look at the numbers. In 2022, there were 17 deaths attributed to cars. That's out of *billions* of trips taken. There were 15 deaths blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. How many people ride bikes or scooters in this city? Maybe 500?

Maybe cyclists and moped drivers should learn how to ride safely.

No. Actual studies say drivers are less likely to abide by road rules than bicyclists. You can easily find these studies with a simple Google search. But be forewarned that reality may necessarily not be in the business of affirming your silly prejudices.

Funny that you cite 2022 data. Probably because you know that there were more road deaths in 2023 than in any year since 2007.

A woman in my DV neighborhood was killed on a crosswalk - which she was crossing with the signal - by a driver who literally had thousands in outstanding unpaid fines. But she doesn’t matter, right, because she is only one person? And we shouldn’t worry about the driver either because s/he only accumulated a couple of dozen tickets out of tens of thousands of trips right up until the point where s/he killed someone.

Moronic, bigoted blowhards like yourself make me absolutely sick.

Hey dipshit, I'm just looking at the official data the DC police department puts out on traffic accidents. 2022 is the latest year they have.

It's pretty shocking though that only 17 people were killed by motorists, and nearly an identical number were blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. Doesn't really confirm the lies we see here every day, does it?

Oh, you're the poster who weirdly believes that non-motorists found at fault were somehow killed by themselves. They weren't. They were also killed by motorists.

Obviously, you don't even know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The data doesn't say.

We don't know if the non-motorists killed by motorists were killed by motorists? Yes we do.

The only thing we know is that you're a liar.

The police data says 15 cyclists/scooters/pedestrians were at fault in traffic accidents in which they died. We don't know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The statistics don't say.

Cyclists, et al are perfectly capable are getting themselves killed without the aid of motorists.

If you were actually interested in traffic safety, you would look at police press releases. Yes, we do know that they were killed by motorists.

So you're just a serial liar? Here's what the police actually say, complete with citation:

In 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths. The causes were:

Pedestrian error -- 12
Speeding -- 9
Driver drunk or stoned -- 4
Driver error -- 4
Bicycle error -- 2
Medical emergency -- 2
Scooter/Motorcycle/ATV error -- 1
Hit and Run/Unknown -- 1

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

The number of deaths caused by motorists is far, far smaller than WABA would have you believe.

Eh? WABA uses the same numbers you're using, from the same source. I.e., in 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths.

And I'm sure they're careful to note that roughly half those deaths are blamed on cyclists and scooters and pedestrians, right? So as not to mislead anyone?

Q: What do we call a traffic death where the police assigned fault to the non-motorist?
A: A traffic death.

[Anonymous]

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

With all these moped drivers driving like maniacs, it's only a matter of time before the second category exceeds the first.

Would love to see the city care about traffic violations from every category of driver. Crackdowns on the fake tags would have a ripple effect driving down all kinds of crime.

We have a "broken windows" problem with traffic enforcement.

People see 12 year olds on three wheelers going down the middle of Georgia Avenue. They see people on mopeds going 40 mph through stop signs. They see bicyclists ignoring every single traffic law.

They see nothing happens to any of these people and then they feel like suckers for being the only ones who obey traffic laws so then they don't. Bad behavior spreads and becomes the norm.

And if they cracked down on the bikes, mopeds and three-wheelers, then drivers would start driving the speed limit and coming to complete stops at crosswalks for pedestrians and no-longer stare at their phones while driving?

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At least in your second sentence you square the lie and admit that they come nowhere close to following the law better than cars; that’s just something you like to say.

That poster is right. Nobody said you had to like it.

It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

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I work in Gallery Place and have almost been hit by one of these guys on K Street just north of Gallery. The guy ran a red light and turned left into a group of pedestrians. I do occasionally see cops parked at 5th and K, but when they are not there the moped drivers do whatever they want. I am not against making a living but am against driving into a group of pedestrians or driving on the sidewalk.

The difference is that a car would kill all of them; a moped, much less likely. I watch traffic carefully and have not see the moped drivers (the Latino delivery drivers) ignore traffic lights but did almost get creamed by a driver turning on a red arrow yesterday.

Well I have seen it many, many times all over downtown. They’re a menace to pedestrians.

Also, as someone who has had to go to ER after hitting my head in an accidental fall on the street in DC, I cannot even imagine how much it hurts to get hit by a moped, even one going 10-15 mph. It is absolutely not a minor thing to drive a moped toward pedestrians who are in a crosswalk.

If you think getting hit by a moped will really hurt you, you should try getting hit by a two ton SUV.

Are you seriously arguing that people can't be hurt by a moped? There have been people killed by being hit by a bike in DC. It is not only cars that kill pedestrians.

Moped drivers who drive in crosswalks should be fined snd deported if they are here illegally. They are a cancer on society.

A white lady in a Honda Civic recently almost killed me in a crosswalk. What should happen to her?

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

With all these moped drivers driving like maniacs, it's only a matter of time before the second category exceeds the first.

Would love to see the city care about traffic violations from every category of driver. Crackdowns on the fake tags would have a ripple effect driving down all kinds of crime.

We have a "broken windows" problem with traffic enforcement.

People see 12 year olds on three wheelers going down the middle of Georgia Avenue. They see people on mopeds going 40 mph through stop signs. They see bicyclists ignoring every single traffic law.

They see nothing happens to any of these people and then they feel like suckers for being the only ones who obey traffic laws so then they don't. Bad behavior spreads and becomes the norm.

Omg. You cannot possibly have just written that. The number of cars blowing through stop signs and red lights far FAR outweighs mopeds and bikers doing so; and the consequences are far more severe. Go sit an watch any stop sign for 20 minutes and tell me how many cars come to a full stop behind the stop line. None do. Literally zero unless there is cross traffic, and even in that case, they stop in the crosswalk. There are also certain traffic lights in my neighborhood that 1-2 cars in every cycle blow through because there is no cross traffic. every.single.time.

Gtfo with your patently false statements.

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

Those 15 bikers/pedestrians would be alive if they make their “error” with a moped instead of a car.

Weird how even when it's not the car driver's fault, it's still the car driver's fault.

There was a recent accident in which one person on an e-bike drove into another person on an e-bike and one of them was killed. Still a car driver's fault, though, right?

Do you not understand that a car is inherently more deadly than a moped?

Car drivers are the most law abiding people on the road.

Look at the numbers. In 2022, there were 17 deaths attributed to cars. That's out of *billions* of trips taken. There were 15 deaths blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. How many people ride bikes or scooters in this city? Maybe 500?

Maybe cyclists and moped drivers should learn how to ride safely.

No. Actual studies say drivers are less likely to abide by road rules than bicyclists. You can easily find these studies with a simple Google search. But be forewarned that reality may necessarily not be in the business of affirming your silly prejudices.

Funny that you cite 2022 data. Probably because you know that there were more road deaths in 2023 than in any year since 2007.

A woman in my DV neighborhood was killed on a crosswalk - which she was crossing with the signal - by a driver who literally had thousands in outstanding unpaid fines. But she doesn’t matter, right, because she is only one person? And we shouldn’t worry about the driver either because s/he only accumulated a couple of dozen tickets out of tens of thousands of trips right up until the point where s/he killed someone.

Moronic, bigoted blowhards like yourself make me absolutely sick.

Hey dipshit, I'm just looking at the official data the DC police department puts out on traffic accidents. 2022 is the latest year they have.

It's pretty shocking though that only 17 people were killed by motorists, and nearly an identical number were blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. Doesn't really confirm the lies we see here every day, does it?

Oh, you're the poster who weirdly believes that non-motorists found at fault were somehow killed by themselves. They weren't. They were also killed by motorists.

Obviously, you don't even know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The data doesn't say.

We don't know if the non-motorists killed by motorists were killed by motorists? Yes we do.

The only thing we know is that you're a liar.

The police data says 15 cyclists/scooters/pedestrians were at fault in traffic accidents in which they died. We don't know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The statistics don't say.

Cyclists, et al are perfectly capable are getting themselves killed without the aid of motorists.

If you were actually interested in traffic safety, you would look at police press releases. Yes, we do know that they were killed by motorists.

So you're just a serial liar? Here's what the police actually say, complete with citation:

In 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths. The causes were:

Pedestrian error -- 12
Speeding -- 9
Driver drunk or stoned -- 4
Driver error -- 4
Bicycle error -- 2
Medical emergency -- 2
Scooter/Motorcycle/ATV error -- 1
Hit and Run/Unknown -- 1

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

The number of deaths caused by motorists is far, far smaller than WABA would have you believe.

Eh? WABA uses the same numbers you're using, from the same source. I.e., in 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths.

And I'm sure they're careful to note that roughly half those deaths are blamed on cyclists and scooters and pedestrians, right? So as not to mislead anyone?

If the scooter or cyclist had crashed with a moped, they’d likely still be alive. That’s the whole point. This new crop of moped drivers doesn’t appear to be any less observant of traffic laws than drivers; and the consequences of an accident with them is much; much less severe. Let’s not forget that at least one of those deaths attributed to “pedestrian error” was a 4 year old, who would likely be alive if it was a moped and not an SUV.