Free medical school - Johns Hopkins

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I exclusively go to Asian doctors only now. They have to beat sooooo much DEI crap to get admitted, which means they are probably one to two standard deviations better than everyone else in terms of grades, mcat, scores, and on licensing exams.

I don't want to be operated on because someone got into a school and residency due to their race and historical injustice correction initiatives. I want to be operated on by a doc because they're the best no matter who they are.

The most reliably "best" doctors are Asians / South Asians these days. I'm always impressed with their work.

You're just selecting for the prick factor. A crushing hand shake and a loud voice might get the job but does not imply they'll put that effort into your care.

On the flip side, one of the worst med students I've run across was a white woman at Hopkins. Chanel flats, lazy yawn, all the trappings of a rich girl who had things handed to her. First time I saw her my ten-year-old answered a question she missed. Ran across her again maybe a year later, one-on-one she was even worse. All sorts of talentless people make it through the gauntlet, a new source of funding can only make things better.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why I exclusively go to Asian doctors only now. They have to beat sooooo much DEI crap to get admitted, which means they are probably one to two standard deviations better than everyone else in terms of grades, mcat, scores, and on licensing exams.

I don't want to be operated on because someone got into a school and residency due to their race and historical injustice correction initiatives. I want to be operated on by a doc because they're the best no matter who they are.

The most reliably "best" doctors are Asians / South Asians these days. I'm always impressed with their work.

You're just selecting for the prick factor. A crushing hand shake and a loud voice might get the job but does not imply they'll put that effort into your care.

On the flip side, one of the worst med students I've run across was a white woman at Hopkins. Chanel flats, lazy yawn, all the trappings of a rich girl who had things handed to her. First time I saw her my ten-year-old answered a question she missed. Ran across her again maybe a year later, one-on-one she was even worse. All sorts of talentless people make it through the gauntlet, a new source of funding can only make things better.

I'm selecting by history and reliability. It has not escaped my notice that the ranks of the specialists at the premier medical schools and hospitals are increasingly people of Asian/South Asian ancestry. These are roles that cannot be filled with DEI sinecure positions. Those are saved for Kaiser Permanente.

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Anonymous wrote:Yawn! Unless they take students to med school after their HS 12th grade like many other countries, this is just a drop in the bucket.

I agree. They should cut out undergraduate years. They should add two years to teach the science and other relevant classes at the start. The third year would be the start of traditional medical school.

This is what my (US) university did for PharmDs. You went to undergrad for 2 years then you got into pharmacy school there. I remember my friend even got an AA/associates degree from the University, which we thought was pretty funny because we didn't know it was even offered.

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This is stupid. These now debt rich kids who got into this elite medical schools don't go set up shop in rural America, they are all money hungry and want to work in prestige cities.

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Anonymous wrote:He should spread it around elsewhere. Didn’t he already donate to JHU?

Michael Bloomberg is a Hopkins alum. Of course he is going to continue supporting Hopkins. Why wouldn't a billionaire support his alma mater?

He has donated money to Princeton as well. His daughter Emma went to Princeton. Actually, the Emma Bloomberg Center for Access and Opportunity at Princeton was established by Bloomberg Philanthropies.

https://ebcao.princeton.edu

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Anonymous wrote:Do medical students still get evaluated (financially) by parents income? What keeps these students from being independent? At what age are they considered independent?

This. I am assuming that my 25 year-old son is not being evaluated on his parents’ income. He is an adult and does not have access to my money anymore.

I went to graduate school at 26 and never had to submit my parents’ income. I was working and paid the tuition out of my own income. I have to imagine that the Hopkins financial aid office works similarly. I guess a med student married to an investment banker might get hit with tuition, but they could just stay engaged and put off the wedding for three years.

This.

Excluding admitted applicants based on their parents’ wealth seems misguided. Many families do not pay for graduate school expenses of their adult children, regardless of their income.

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It's unclear how this accomplishes much of anything, since anyone admitted to medical school is pretty much assured of qualifying for loans if unable to pay out of pocket, because future earning power is guaranteed to enable repayment of those loans. That is, I doubt anyone is deterred from applying to medical school because of the cost of tuition.

It is nice that some medical school students won't have to take out or repay loans, but it's not like the school will admit more applicants and produce more graduates. The supply of graduates will remain the same after this donation, with the only apparent difference being that some graduates will not have loans to repay, while those who have loans will have the earning power to repay theirs.

Seems kind of pointless, actually.

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Anonymous wrote:It's unclear how this accomplishes much of anything, since anyone admitted to medical school is pretty much assured of qualifying for loans if unable to pay out of pocket, because future earning power is guaranteed to enable repayment of those loans. That is, I doubt anyone is deterred from applying to medical school because of the cost of tuition.

It is nice that some medical school students won't have to take out or repay loans, but it's not like the school will admit more applicants and produce more graduates. The supply of graduates will remain the same after this donation, with the only apparent difference being that some graduates will not have loans to repay, while those who have loans will have the earning power to repay theirs.

Seems kind of pointless, actually.

A lot of people would not attend medical school if that required massive loans. You can apply and see what kind of financial aid / merit aid is available. If the cost of school is too high, you can do something else. Or not apply to begin with.

Nobody wants to get into massive educational debt. This is kind of a duh obvious thing.

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Anonymous wrote:It's unclear how this accomplishes much of anything, since anyone admitted to medical school is pretty much assured of qualifying for loans if unable to pay out of pocket, because future earning power is guaranteed to enable repayment of those loans. That is, I doubt anyone is deterred from applying to medical school because of the cost of tuition.

It is nice that some medical school students won't have to take out or repay loans, but it's not like the school will admit more applicants and produce more graduates. The supply of graduates will remain the same after this donation, with the only apparent difference being that some graduates will not have loans to repay, while those who have loans will have the earning power to repay theirs.

Seems kind of pointless, actually.

A lot of people would not attend medical school if that required massive loans. You can apply and see what kind of financial aid / merit aid is available. If the cost of school is too high, you can do something else. Or not apply to begin with.

Nobody wants to get into massive educational debt. This is kind of a duh obvious thing.

Bullshit. Debt doesn’t stop any QUALIFIED American kids from going to medical school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's unclear how this accomplishes much of anything, since anyone admitted to medical school is pretty much assured of qualifying for loans if unable to pay out of pocket, because future earning power is guaranteed to enable repayment of those loans. That is, I doubt anyone is deterred from applying to medical school because of the cost of tuition.

It is nice that some medical school students won't have to take out or repay loans, but it's not like the school will admit more applicants and produce more graduates. The supply of graduates will remain the same after this donation, with the only apparent difference being that some graduates will not have loans to repay, while those who have loans will have the earning power to repay theirs.

Seems kind of pointless, actually.

A lot of people would not attend medical school if that required massive loans. You can apply and see what kind of financial aid / merit aid is available. If the cost of school is too high, you can do something else. Or not apply to begin with.

Nobody wants to get into massive educational debt. This is kind of a duh obvious thing.

Bullshit. Debt doesn’t stop any QUALIFIED American kids from going to medical school.

It absolutely does. You are wrong.

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This is amazing. I'm retiring early from government and would like to see if I'm qualified to go back to school to become a doctor at Hopkins. How does one apply for this?

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Anonymous wrote:This is stupid. These now debt rich kids who got into this elite medical schools don't go set up shop in rural America, they are all money hungry and want to work in prestige cities.

True but even poor free ride ones change colors after getting their degree and training.

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Anonymous wrote:This is amazing. I'm retiring early from government and would like to see if I'm qualified to go back to school to become a doctor at Hopkins. How does one apply for this?

You can start by taking the pre-medical college courses with near perfect grades, get a near perfect MCAT score, and volunteer to gain clinical and/or research experiences.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's unclear how this accomplishes much of anything, since anyone admitted to medical school is pretty much assured of qualifying for loans if unable to pay out of pocket, because future earning power is guaranteed to enable repayment of those loans. That is, I doubt anyone is deterred from applying to medical school because of the cost of tuition.

It is nice that some medical school students won't have to take out or repay loans, but it's not like the school will admit more applicants and produce more graduates. The supply of graduates will remain the same after this donation, with the only apparent difference being that some graduates will not have loans to repay, while those who have loans will have the earning power to repay theirs.

Seems kind of pointless, actually.

A lot of people would not attend medical school if that required massive loans. You can apply and see what kind of financial aid / merit aid is available. If the cost of school is too high, you can do something else. Or not apply to begin with.

Nobody wants to get into massive educational debt. This is kind of a duh obvious thing.

Bullshit. Debt doesn’t stop any QUALIFIED American kids from going to medical school.

It does. I for one didn't want my kids to stay on my payroll for several more years after undergrad trying to get into med school, finish it, do residency, do fellowship and start earning decent income past 30-35. If kid isn't dedicated to do social medicine, might ad well go work for hedge fund, private acuity, investment bank or consulting firm after undergrad at 22, he'll be earning as much in 10-15 years as a doctor, way more than a family practice or pediatrics doc.

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*without student debt or loss of opportunity income and investment of a decade