Free medical school - Johns Hopkins

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Anonymous wrote:This is amazing. We need more doctors who aren’t crushed by debt!

The can always have the Army pay and serve a few years.

Nope. Not everyone is eligible to serve in the military. My congenital issues and open heart surgery at 17 years old would've tanked that for me, but I got by on scholarships.

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Anonymous wrote:Do medical students still get evaluated (financially) by parents income? What keeps these students from being independent? At what age are they considered independent?

This. I am assuming that my 25 year-old son is not being evaluated on his parents’ income. He is an adult and does not have access to my money anymore.

I went to graduate school at 26 and never had to submit my parents’ income. I was working and paid the tuition out of my own income. I have to imagine that the Hopkins financial aid office works similarly. I guess a med student married to an investment banker might get hit with tuition, but they could just stay engaged and put off the wedding for three years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is amazing. We need more doctors who aren’t crushed by debt!

The can always have the Army pay and serve a few years.

Nope. Not everyone is eligible to serve in the military. My congenital issues and open heart surgery at 17 years old would've tanked that for me, but I got by on scholarships.

Its not that simple. Its also a very select program to pay for medical school.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish he somehow tipped this in favor of the more desperately needed medical specialties.

Hopkins is not in the business of training primary care physicians--they don't even have a family medicine program. My brother did an internal medicine residency there and out of 36 members of his class, all but one went on to do fellowships to become cardiologists, nephrologists, etc.
They want to train URMs, first gen, etc but as subspecialists--not primary care physicians.

There are plenty of other medical schools who have robust primary care programs (including research goals within the primary care fields) and view this as their mission.

I know many primary care docs, internal med, gyno, peds, all from Hopkins med school or residency. I went to a different T5 med school and am in one of those fields as were 25% of our grads. Hopkins is a fantastic medical school, for primary and specialists.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the US medical schools that are best for primary care. They produce family practice and internal medicine grads who do not do further training but practice general internal medicine. Some of whom do research in the field.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/primary-care-rankings

You wil notice that Hopkins and Harvard and similar are not on this list. Those institutions are not in the business of primary care. They produce specialists.

The best medical schools are the research med schools. The vast array of subspecialists in those affiliated hospitals train future primary care docs how to spot the unusual and see a wide variety of zebra cases. This is been extremely important in primary care. Our goal as a multi-age /multi-office primary care partnership is to hire from the best med schools and with the most in depth exposure: the top 75 Research med schools produce better more versatile grads than almost all of the "primary care" medical schools. We make it a goal to hire from the T75 research/tertiary care medical schools or residencies when possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the US medical schools that are best for primary care. They produce family practice and internal medicine grads who do not do further training but practice general internal medicine. Some of whom do research in the field.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/primary-care-rankings

You wil notice that Hopkins and Harvard and similar are not on this list. Those institutions are not in the business of primary care. They produce specialists.

So what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the US medical schools that are best for primary care. They produce family practice and internal medicine grads who do not do further training but practice general internal medicine. Some of whom do research in the field.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/primary-care-rankings

You wil notice that Hopkins and Harvard and similar are not on this list. Those institutions are not in the business of primary care. They produce specialists.

The best medical schools are the research med schools. The vast array of subspecialists in those affiliated hospitals train future primary care docs how to spot the unusual and see a wide variety of zebra cases. This is been extremely important in primary care. Our goal as a multi-age /multi-office primary care partnership is to hire from the best med schools and with the most in depth exposure: the top 75 Research med schools produce better more versatile grads than almost all of the "primary care" medical schools. We make it a goal to hire from the T75 research/tertiary care medical schools or residencies when possible.

They are getting the brightest people so of course few will go to internal medicine.

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I wonder what percent of Hopkins med students makes under 300k salary from their parents. 30%?

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Anonymous wrote:Do medical students still get evaluated (financially) by parents income? What keeps these students from being independent? At what age are they considered independent?

This. I am assuming that my 25 year-old son is not being evaluated on his parents’ income. He is an adult and does not have access to my money anymore.

I went to graduate school at 26 and never had to submit my parents’ income. I was working and paid the tuition out of my own income. I have to imagine that the Hopkins financial aid office works similarly. I guess a med student married to an investment banker might get hit with tuition, but they could just stay engaged and put off the wedding for three years.

This is a great question and I wouldn’t assume that your 25 year old isn’t being evaluated on your income. My child (who we don’t claim on taxes anymore) is getting ready to apply to med school and looked at the AAMC fee assistance waiver. It absolutely requires parent income until age 26 unless you are emancipated. We haven’t gotten further to the actual aid from medical schools.

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^ isn't emancipation something you do before age 18?

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Don’t confuse medical school with residency. Residency is where the student determines their speciality.

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I was talking to my father, a retired Hopkins professor, about this. He doesn't think highly of how the donation is being used. The typical Hopkins medical graduate will go on to a financially lucrative career where they can easily pay back any loans. To quote him, it's rewarding already privileged kids.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

This. And amazingly, you can have a doctor who is a different race than you and still get treated well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

It isn’t because the doctors are any better or do anything different. It’s bc some minority patients are more likely to listen to advice and be more compliant to treatment. But the treatment and recommendations aren’t any different. If you aren’t going to listen to your doctor bc they are a white, that’s a you problem, not a doctor problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

It isn’t because the doctors are any better or do anything different. It’s bc some minority patients are more likely to listen to advice and be more compliant to treatment. But the treatment and recommendations aren’t any different. If you aren’t going to listen to your doctor bc they are a white, that’s a you problem, not a doctor problem.

Well it's a huge problem in urban medicine. Health outcomes are far better when minority patients see minority doctors. I guess people like you would just write off this population but thankfully Hopkins and many other institutions are not and a large part of this initiative to fund the training of first-gen and minority physicians.