Free medical school - Johns Hopkins

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish he somehow tipped this in favor of the more desperately needed medical specialties.

Hopkins is not in the business of training primary care physicians--they don't even have a family medicine program. My brother did an internal medicine residency there and out of 36 members of his class, all but one went on to do fellowships to become cardiologists, nephrologists, etc.
They want to train URMs, first gen, etc but as subspecialists--not primary care physicians.

There are plenty of other medical schools who have robust primary care programs (including research goals within the primary care fields) and view this as their mission.

Family medicine is a very broad term. My sibling did internal medicine. Its not that Hopkins doesn't support it, its most people don't choose it.

No, family medicine is an actual residency program (which Hopkins does not have.).
They do have an internal medicine residency and almost nobody from this program actually practices internal medicine when they graduate. They all do further subspecialty training and then practice cardiology, endocrinology, oncology, etc.

My husband was an internal medicine resident at Hopkins. He was the only one in his class who has elected to actually practice internal medicine (ie. the only one who works in primary care). 20 years later and he's an internist. His residency classmates are all sub speciality physicians like cardiologist, oncologist, etc. About 95% of them are at academic medical centers. My husband sees patients---manages their high blood pressure, diabetes, weight gain, acne, etc. His classmates who are cardiologists, oncologists, etc often see patients 1 or 2 days per week and otherwise do clinical research, laboratory research, etc.

Medicine needs both types of physicians---but Hopkins is not known for the former. They create tertiary, sub specialists.

[Anonymous]

Here are the US medical schools that are best for primary care. They produce family practice and internal medicine grads who do not do further training but practice general internal medicine. Some of whom do research in the field.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/primary-care-rankings

You wil notice that Hopkins and Harvard and similar are not on this list. Those institutions are not in the business of primary care. They produce specialists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

Because no one who is white, euro-american ever develops chronic disease. Certainly not in WV, central PA, southern OH, Maine, KY, IA .... nope. Those white middle-aged people with diabetes, hypertension, chronic occupation-related pain.

they're all clamoring for a BIPOC nephrologist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He should spread it around elsewhere. Didn’t he already donate to JHU?

I have never understood directives on how and where others should donate their money and efforts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here are the US medical schools that are best for primary care. They produce family practice and internal medicine grads who do not do further training but practice general internal medicine. Some of whom do research in the field.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/primary-care-rankings

You wil notice that Hopkins and Harvard and similar are not on this list. Those institutions are not in the business of primary care. They produce specialists.

Harvard is number 22 on the list. Yikes at tuition at these public universities for OOS. Many of them are the same cost as the Harvard, Penn and Brown. Interesting.

[Anonymous]

Do medical students still get evaluated (financially) by parents income? What keeps these students from being independent? At what age are they considered independent?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What... I can't entirely agree with this.

You can't agree with what a donor wants to do with their money?!

LOL

No, outside of taxes, we shouldn't pocket watch people. It will trickle down, like when a poster suggested UMC people spend their weekends building houses for people with less money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

Because no one who is white, euro-american ever develops chronic disease. Certainly not in WV, central PA, southern OH, Maine, KY, IA .... nope. Those white middle-aged people with diabetes, hypertension, chronic occupation-related pain.

they're all clamoring for a BIPOC nephrologist

Calm down and pull your panties out of your butt. White, poor and middle income families also benefit from the donation. It’s for HHI less than 300k. I think most of the applicants who are accepted will receive a discount. Is professional school not undergrad, where all the parents’ salary and investments are taken into account. Most likely the med student will be dependent on his/her income solely at that age. m

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yawn! Unless they take students to med school after their HS 12th grade like many other countries, this is just a drop in the bucket.

I agree. They should cut out undergraduate years. They should add two years to teach the science and other relevant classes at the start. The third year would be the start of traditional medical school.

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

Wrong. please defend this statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He should spread it around elsewhere. Didn’t he already donate to JHU?

He can donate his money wherever he chooses. It's his money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish he somehow tipped this in favor of the more desperately needed medical specialties.

Hopkins is not in the business of training primary care physicians--they don't even have a family medicine program. My brother did an internal medicine residency there and out of 36 members of his class, all but one went on to do fellowships to become cardiologists, nephrologists, etc.
They want to train URMs, first gen, etc but as subspecialists--not primary care physicians.

There are plenty of other medical schools who have robust primary care programs (including research goals within the primary care fields) and view this as their mission.

Family medicine is a very broad term. My sibling did internal medicine. Its not that Hopkins doesn't support it, its most people don't choose it.

No, family medicine is an actual residency program (which Hopkins does not have.).
They do have an internal medicine residency and almost nobody from this program actually practices internal medicine when they graduate. They all do further subspecialty training and then practice cardiology, endocrinology, oncology, etc.

My husband was an internal medicine resident at Hopkins. He was the only one in his class who has elected to actually practice internal medicine (ie. the only one who works in primary care). 20 years later and he's an internist. His residency classmates are all sub speciality physicians like cardiologist, oncologist, etc. About 95% of them are at academic medical centers. My husband sees patients---manages their high blood pressure, diabetes, weight gain, acne, etc. His classmates who are cardiologists, oncologists, etc often see patients 1 or 2 days per week and otherwise do clinical research, laboratory research, etc.

Medicine needs both types of physicians---but Hopkins is not known for the former. They create tertiary, sub specialists.

The smartest physicians tend to specialize and do research. It is common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish he somehow tipped this in favor of the more desperately needed medical specialties.

Hopkins is not in the business of training primary care physicians--they don't even have a family medicine program. My brother did an internal medicine residency there and out of 36 members of his class, all but one went on to do fellowships to become cardiologists, nephrologists, etc.
They want to train URMs, first gen, etc but as subspecialists--not primary care physicians.

There are plenty of other medical schools who have robust primary care programs (including research goals within the primary care fields) and view this as their mission.

Family medicine is a very broad term. My sibling did internal medicine. Its not that Hopkins doesn't support it, its most people don't choose it.

No, family medicine is an actual residency program (which Hopkins does not have.).
They do have an internal medicine residency and almost nobody from this program actually practices internal medicine when they graduate. They all do further subspecialty training and then practice cardiology, endocrinology, oncology, etc.

My husband was an internal medicine resident at Hopkins. He was the only one in his class who has elected to actually practice internal medicine (ie. the only one who works in primary care). 20 years later and he's an internist. His residency classmates are all sub speciality physicians like cardiologist, oncologist, etc. About 95% of them are at academic medical centers. My husband sees patients---manages their high blood pressure, diabetes, weight gain, acne, etc. His classmates who are cardiologists, oncologists, etc often see patients 1 or 2 days per week and otherwise do clinical research, laboratory research, etc.

Medicine needs both types of physicians---but Hopkins is not known for the former. They create tertiary, sub specialists.

My sibling was also at Hopkins around the same time. Many of her peers were also internal medicine. And, the school doesn't control what people specialize in. Primary care doesn't pay well. Is this surprising people are goign for speciality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

Because no one who is white, euro-american ever develops chronic disease. Certainly not in WV, central PA, southern OH, Maine, KY, IA .... nope. Those white middle-aged people with diabetes, hypertension, chronic occupation-related pain.

they're all clamoring for a BIPOC nephrologist

I don't care what race doctor I see. I just want help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish he somehow tipped this in favor of the more desperately needed medical specialties.

Hopkins is not in the business of training primary care physicians--they don't even have a family medicine program. My brother did an internal medicine residency there and out of 36 members of his class, all but one went on to do fellowships to become cardiologists, nephrologists, etc.
They want to train URMs, first gen, etc but as subspecialists--not primary care physicians.

There are plenty of other medical schools who have robust primary care programs (including research goals within the primary care fields) and view this as their mission.

Family medicine is a very broad term. My sibling did internal medicine. Its not that Hopkins doesn't support it, its most people don't choose it.

No, family medicine is an actual residency program (which Hopkins does not have.).
They do have an internal medicine residency and almost nobody from this program actually practices internal medicine when they graduate. They all do further subspecialty training and then practice cardiology, endocrinology, oncology, etc.

My husband was an internal medicine resident at Hopkins. He was the only one in his class who has elected to actually practice internal medicine (ie. the only one who works in primary care). 20 years later and he's an internist. His residency classmates are all sub speciality physicians like cardiologist, oncologist, etc. About 95% of them are at academic medical centers. My husband sees patients---manages their high blood pressure, diabetes, weight gain, acne, etc. His classmates who are cardiologists, oncologists, etc often see patients 1 or 2 days per week and otherwise do clinical research, laboratory research, etc.

Medicine needs both types of physicians---but Hopkins is not known for the former. They create tertiary, sub specialists.

My sibling was also at Hopkins around the same time. Many of her peers were also internal medicine. And, the school doesn't control what people specialize in. Primary care doesn't pay well. Is this surprising people are goign for speciality.

what's the pont of your post? you're stating the obvious.