Free medical school - Johns Hopkins

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There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

+1 The minority doctors I've had weren't capable. They didn't want to treat a white disabled patient and falsified medical records. Never again.

-1 there are plenty of white doctors that are not capable, many are in business because of the hefty pay not because of their dedication to the craft, if they cannot get into med school they apply and get into law school, I've known several cases, and some of these make fatal errors, to put it nicely

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Hopkins Med has, what, a 4% acceptance rate? So now it will be .5%?

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

+1 The minority doctors I've had weren't capable. They didn't want to treat a white disabled patient and falsified medical records. Never again.

Yikes. Listen to yourself. You had bad experiences with bad doctors. Sorry about that but I'm not entirely sure the fact that they were minority is relevant to your experience.
There are incompetent doctors of all colors. I will not discount another white doctor just because I have had a bad experience with other doctors who happened to be white.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Why would it go up if the tuition for scholarships is coming from this donation. It should have no impact on the tuition-- in fact I would assume Bloomberg discussed tuition increases with the school before settling in a number because they need the donation to work out math wise.

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What... I can't entirely agree with this.

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Yawn! Unless they take students to med school after their HS 12th grade like many other countries, this is just a drop in the bucket.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Doesn't make much sense

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All the good work Hopkins does and specially did during COVID, they deserved such donations. Its awesome that money is going towards free tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:What... I can't entirely agree with this.

You can't agree with what a donor wants to do with their money?!

LOL

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

+1 The minority doctors I've had weren't capable. They didn't want to treat a white disabled patient and falsified medical records. Never again.

Yikes. Listen to yourself. You had bad experiences with bad doctors. Sorry about that but I'm not entirely sure the fact that they were minority is relevant to your experience.
There are incompetent doctors of all colors. I will not discount another white doctor just because I have had a bad experience with other doctors who happened to be white.

More likely the doctor was competent, he just didn’t like the advice or outcome.

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Hopkins is not in the business of training primary care physicians--they don't even have a family medicine program. My brother did an internal medicine residency there and out of 36 members of his class, all but one went on to do fellowships to become cardiologists, nephrologists, etc.

Don’t many internists have sub specialities? After residency, doesn’t training typically continue with a fellowship? The PCPs I know (internists) had fellowships like cardiology, oncology, infectious disease, rheum, gastro, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Yawn! Unless they take students to med school after their HS 12th grade like many other countries, this is just a drop in the bucket.

I agree. They should cut out undergraduate years. They should add two years to teach the science and other relevant classes at the start. The third year would be the start of traditional medical school.

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Anonymous wrote:What... I can't entirely agree with this.

You can't agree with what a donor wants to do with their money?!

LOL

+1000 Insane comment

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

+1 The minority doctors I've had weren't capable. They didn't want to treat a white disabled patient and falsified medical records. Never again.

This has nothing to do with minority or race or gender. Most doctors are like this in my experience. They do the absolute minimum and if there are actual health issues they refuse to treat and say you are making it up.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish he somehow tipped this in favor of the more desperately needed medical specialties.

Hopkins is not in the business of training primary care physicians--they don't even have a family medicine program. My brother did an internal medicine residency there and out of 36 members of his class, all but one went on to do fellowships to become cardiologists, nephrologists, etc.
They want to train URMs, first gen, etc but as subspecialists--not primary care physicians.

There are plenty of other medical schools who have robust primary care programs (including research goals within the primary care fields) and view this as their mission.

Family medicine is a very broad term. My sibling did internal medicine. Its not that Hopkins doesn't support it, its most people don't choose it.