Free medical school - Johns Hopkins

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

It isn’t because the doctors are any better or do anything different. It’s bc some minority patients are more likely to listen to advice and be more compliant to treatment. But the treatment and recommendations aren’t any different. If you aren’t going to listen to your doctor bc they are a white, that’s a you problem, not a doctor problem.

Well it's a huge problem in urban medicine. Health outcomes are far better when minority patients see minority doctors. I guess people like you would just write off this population but thankfully Hopkins and many other institutions are not and a large part of this initiative to fund the training of first-gen and minority physicians.

And only a small percentage of those they graduate are going to want to work for low primary care salaries in Medicaid clinics. But ok.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

It isn’t because the doctors are any better or do anything different. It’s bc some minority patients are more likely to listen to advice and be more compliant to treatment. But the treatment and recommendations aren’t any different. If you aren’t going to listen to your doctor bc they are a white, that’s a you problem, not a doctor problem.

Well it's a huge problem in urban medicine. Health outcomes are far better when minority patients see minority doctors. I guess people like you would just write off this population but thankfully Hopkins and many other institutions are not and a large part of this initiative to fund the training of first-gen and minority physicians.

Your assertions are dubious at best, relying on anecdotes and beliefs rather than statistically useful data. I've seen these "studies" and it's like the infamous McKinsey report claiming diversity leads to better financial outcomes for companies (assertions with nothing to back it up). As it is, black people are not the only people in America, either. There is a role and place for medical / health officials that specialize in poor urban black communities but it is not and should not be the primary function of Hopkins either. If Hopkins abandons the pursuit of excellence in medical research in favor of fashionable virtue signaling theories, we all suffer.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

It isn’t because the doctors are any better or do anything different. It’s bc some minority patients are more likely to listen to advice and be more compliant to treatment. But the treatment and recommendations aren’t any different. If you aren’t going to listen to your doctor bc they are a white, that’s a you problem, not a doctor problem.

Well it's a huge problem in urban medicine. Health outcomes are far better when minority patients see minority doctors. I guess people like you would just write off this population but thankfully Hopkins and many other institutions are not and a large part of this initiative to fund the training of first-gen and minority physicians.

And only a small percentage of those they graduate are going to want to work for low primary care salaries in Medicaid clinics. But ok.

Yeah, they are more likely to take the bug bucks with diversity administrator positions at Kaiser. But they all drop the “health disparities in my community” buzzwords to get into medical school.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

This. And amazingly, you can have a doctor who is a different race than you and still get treated well.

This. But is a white patient allowed to feel more comfortable with a white doctor, or are we the only ones who have to be open-minded?

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This is why I exclusively go to Asian doctors only now. They have to beat sooooo much DEI crap to get admitted, which means they are probably one to two standard deviations better than everyone else in terms of grades, mcat, scores, and on licensing exams.

I don't want to be operated on because someone got into a school and residency due to their race and historical injustice correction initiatives. I want to be operated on by a doc because they're the best no matter who they are.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I exclusively go to Asian doctors only now. They have to beat sooooo much DEI crap to get admitted, which means they are probably one to two standard deviations better than everyone else in terms of grades, mcat, scores, and on licensing exams.

I don't want to be operated on because someone got into a school and residency due to their race and historical injustice correction initiatives. I want to be operated on by a doc because they're the best no matter who they are.

The most reliably "best" doctors are Asians / South Asians these days. I'm always impressed with their work.

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The cost of attending medical schools is so prohibitive to so many that it understandably skews students into higher paying specialties. It would be great to somehow distribute the money across all medical schools and not just the few that arguably need it the least (NYU, Einstein, Hopkins). That would, however, require more than the 3 billion or so donated to these schools. We need to have new physicians not constantly be worried about how they will be paying off $400K in loans.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

there are enough 2nd gen immigrants whose parents work at 7-11 but were professionals back home to take advantage. How can someone who lives in the Washington area not know this?? There are plenty of techies and government workers who make less than 300k as well.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

there are enough 2nd gen immigrants whose parents work at 7-11 but were professionals back home to take advantage. How can someone who lives in the Washington area not know this?? There are plenty of techies and government workers who make less than 300k as well.

I believe that the PP was referring only to black and Hispanic students as being the only ones worthy of a medical education.

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Anonymous wrote:I was talking to my father, a retired Hopkins professor, about this. He doesn't think highly of how the donation is being used. The typical Hopkins medical graduate will go on to a financially lucrative career where they can easily pay back any loans. To quote him, it's rewarding already privileged kids.

not really- a lot of these physicians will be BIPOC and BIPOC professionals support not only their parents financially bit also siblings and their kids through various stages on their lives. I know my own parents routinely had 4-7 extra people living their home aside from their own 2 kids b/c someone they knew needed place to live and we lived in a good public school district and they were considered 'rich'. They were extraordinarily generous but almost everyone I know in tat group had at some housed and supported a whole other family on that UMC salary for at least 6 months to several years.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

Not going to happen. These medical schools take practically every black and Latino applicant they can get (with much lower average scores than are expected of other applicants BTW), and they still only make up a small percentage of medical students and doctors.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

This. And amazingly, you can have a doctor who is a different race than you and still get treated well.

This. But is a white patient allowed to feel more comfortable with a white doctor, or are we the only ones who have to be open-minded?

No, it doesn’t work that way and they will find any justification to be ok with some of us not getting the care we need.

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Anonymous wrote:I was talking to my father, a retired Hopkins professor, about this. He doesn't think highly of how the donation is being used. The typical Hopkins medical graduate will go on to a financially lucrative career where they can easily pay back any loans. To quote him, it's rewarding already privileged kids.

not really- a lot of these physicians will be BIPOC and BIPOC professionals support not only their parents financially bit also siblings and their kids through various stages on their lives. I know my own parents routinely had 4-7 extra people living their home aside from their own 2 kids b/c someone they knew needed place to live and we lived in a good public school district and they were considered 'rich'. They were extraordinarily generous but almost everyone I know in tat group had at some housed and supported a whole other family on that UMC salary for at least 6 months to several years.

You are racist. You are not umc, you are very wealthy and have no clue about how the rest of us live. Good school district is code for wealth. We are a bad school district in a 1000 square foot house and have had multiple people living with us at different times. Try making that work with 2-3 bedrooms and one bathroom.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

there are enough 2nd gen immigrants whose parents work at 7-11 but were professionals back home to take advantage. How can someone who lives in the Washington area not know this?? There are plenty of techies and government workers who make less than 300k as well.

People are much better off financially going into tech.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awesome. Free tuition for anyone whose family makes less than 300k per year and they will also provide living expenses for people with families making less than 175k. And it will extend to the nursing and public health graduate programs as well.

A genuinely worthwhile gift and the size of the gift means that if well managed it should be self-sustaining.

Of course another option would be to tax billionaires and using the money to subsidize medical degrees for people and then also socializing our medical system but whatever.

What happens for over 300k/year? Full tuition?

Yup. Expect full tuition to go up a LOT from this year.

Hopkins doesn't want or need students from households making over $300K.
They want to train the best and brightest first gen, minority students.
This is because the patient outcomes from having doctors who look like the patients do and have had the same life experiences that the patients do are LIGHT YEARS better than the outcomes when this is not the case. Research has shown this time and time again.
And Hopkins (and most academic medical centers) view serving the poor and closing racial and economic health outcomes gaps as a huge part of their mission.

There aren’t enough first gen minority students capable of successfully getting into and completing medical school to support the needs of the country’s entire population.

This. And amazingly, you can have a doctor who is a different race than you and still get treated well.

This. But is a white patient allowed to feel more comfortable with a white doctor, or are we the only ones who have to be open-minded?

No, it doesn’t work that way and they will find any justification to be ok with some of us not getting the care we need.

Yes, it works both ways. I am white and I saw a black gynecologist who was absolutely horrible to me. They smirked at me, laughed at all of my questions, and dismissed all of my concerns.