UCHICAGO SUMMER STUDENT EARLY NOTIFICATION

[Anonymous]

I'll go against the grain and say UChicago is innovating admissions practices and I expect other schools to do the same, especially after the SCOTUS ruling.

UChicago's practices allow them to target inner-city (majority black) youth and get them to commit to the school early, guaranteeing a decent share of the incoming class will be diverse.

I expect other schools to do similar programs targeted to wealthy families (for donations) and heavily-black/latino school districts (for diversity). They'll get them in the class in an accelerated ED timeframe, which takes out the guessing over whether they will have enough affluent or diverse students each year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would best best if school ED deadlines were stacked, starting with the top.

100%

Would also be better if every school with SCEA just moved to ED. They have the best FA so it really isn't a concern for working and LMC and MC families.

SCEA schools are that way because they don't need to lockdown the best talent. They know their yield will be 70-80% anyways.

I know what they do it. But I wish they didn't act like it's so .. generous. "We offer SCEA because we don't want to lock you into anything, take your time, look around". But it's 100% in their interest and not the students, as usual. SCEA blocks kids from applying EA to all kinds of schools. Why do they care if a kid wants to apply EA to ND? Instead what happens is kids take the bait, do SCEA, and have nothing but a Pitt acceptance in December. It just adds stress. Offer EA or ED, but this SCEA is for the birds

[Anonymous]

I'm willing to bet the ED acceptance rate for participants this program is going to be sky-high, probably around 60-70% It will incentivize families to actually enroll in these programs.

This is basically a pre-ED1 program. If we all know ED1 for UChicago is around 35% acceptance rate, this is going to be significantly higher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would best best if school ED deadlines were stacked, starting with the top.

100%

Would also be better if every school with SCEA just moved to ED. They have the best FA so it really isn't a concern for working and LMC and MC families.

SCEA schools are that way because they don't need to lockdown the best talent. They know their yield will be 70-80% anyways.

I know what they do it. But I wish they didn't act like it's so .. generous. "We offer SCEA because we don't want to lock you into anything, take your time, look around". But it's 100% in their interest and not the students, as usual. SCEA blocks kids from applying EA to all kinds of schools. Why do they care if a kid wants to apply EA to ND? Instead what happens is kids take the bait, do SCEA, and have nothing but a Pitt acceptance in December. It just adds stress. Offer EA or ED, but this SCEA is for the birds

They likely don't want an applicant applying EA to HYPSM at the same time. You can already game the process as is. For instance, apply SCEA to Princeton and use your EA at UVA, UMich, Georgia Tech, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm willing to bet the ED acceptance rate for participants this program is going to be sky-high, probably around 60-70% It will incentivize families to actually enroll in these programs.

This is basically a pre-ED1 program. If we all know ED1 for UChicago is around 35% acceptance rate, this is going to be significantly higher.

UChicago offers several different summer program. My kid wasn't accepted to one of their more rigorous programs - and was later accepted to Stanford, Caltech, etc. So if a kid who gets into one of those, they were probably getting into UChicago under old ED1 program anyway. This just accelerates the timeline. I think they also offer more pay to play summer programs and .. that will be interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would best best if school ED deadlines were stacked, starting with the top.

100%

Would also be better if every school with SCEA just moved to ED. They have the best FA so it really isn't a concern for working and LMC and MC families.

SCEA schools are that way because they don't need to lockdown the best talent. They know their yield will be 70-80% anyways.

I know what they do it. But I wish they didn't act like it's so .. generous. "We offer SCEA because we don't want to lock you into anything, take your time, look around". But it's 100% in their interest and not the students, as usual. SCEA blocks kids from applying EA to all kinds of schools. Why do they care if a kid wants to apply EA to ND? Instead what happens is kids take the bait, do SCEA, and have nothing but a Pitt acceptance in December. It just adds stress. Offer EA or ED, but this SCEA is for the birds

They likely don't want an applicant applying EA to HYPSM at the same time. You can already game the process as is. For instance, apply SCEA to Princeton and use your EA at UVA, UMich, Georgia Tech, etc.

So they do care about yield

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would best best if school ED deadlines were stacked, starting with the top.

100%

Would also be better if every school with SCEA just moved to ED. They have the best FA so it really isn't a concern for working and LMC and MC families.

SCEA schools are that way because they don't need to lockdown the best talent. They know their yield will be 70-80% anyways.

I know what they do it. But I wish they didn't act like it's so .. generous. "We offer SCEA because we don't want to lock you into anything, take your time, look around". But it's 100% in their interest and not the students, as usual. SCEA blocks kids from applying EA to all kinds of schools. Why do they care if a kid wants to apply EA to ND? Instead what happens is kids take the bait, do SCEA, and have nothing but a Pitt acceptance in December. It just adds stress. Offer EA or ED, but this SCEA is for the birds

They likely don't want an applicant applying EA to HYPSM at the same time. You can already game the process as is. For instance, apply SCEA to Princeton and use your EA at UVA, UMich, Georgia Tech, etc.

So they do care about yield

I mean, the administrators at schools like Stanford or Princeton know they only really have 3-4 other schools that are real competition for their students. I think their conduct is more about preventing their best talent from going to their rivals. Schools like UChicago, Vanderbilt are trying to snatch kids that would've been HYPSM material in the early rounds by enticing them with a much-higher admit rate chance rather than rolling the dice in the RD round.

[Anonymous]

ED makes sense.

SCEA is morally questionable.

Our high school college counselor said he wished these schools would just say you can’t apply to any other Ivy League school. But it’s crazy that you can’t pocket at EA at some lower ranked private schools, where the demographic cliff is going to be so painful.

It’s hard on kids and other colleges

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ED makes sense.

SCEA is morally questionable.

Our high school college counselor said he wished these schools would just say you can’t apply to any other Ivy League school. But it’s crazy that you can’t pocket at EA at some lower ranked private schools, where the demographic cliff is going to be so painful.

It’s hard on kids and other colleges

That’s exactly what Oxford and Cambridge do. You cannot apply to both.

[Anonymous]

Know someone in my DC school who just got accepted this way and wasn't really their top stat student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Know someone in my DC school who just got accepted this way and wasn't really their top stat student.

Test optional?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm willing to bet the ED acceptance rate for participants this program is going to be sky-high, probably around 60-70% It will incentivize families to actually enroll in these programs.

This is basically a pre-ED1 program. If we all know ED1 for UChicago is around 35% acceptance rate, this is going to be significantly higher.

Per Dean Nondorf ED1 was roughly 5% last year. No mention mention of early summer student notifications. I did meet one however. National merit scholar. So I don't think this is a back door in.

[Anonymous]

First kid to post their acceptance on my kid's HS IG account was a Chicago ED 0 acceptance. As expected, wealthy family and full pay. Good for them, but posting on IG this early seems obnoxious.

[Anonymous]

How To Consolidate Class Anxiety 101

(The lecture hall is massive! Come one, come all. Just be sure to write that check first!)

For what it’s worth, a family we very much admire just decided not to ED1 there. Because of programs like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First kid to post their acceptance on my kid's HS IG account was a Chicago ED 0 acceptance. As expected, wealthy family and full pay. Good for them, but posting on IG this early seems obnoxious.

How long should they wait before sharing life altering news in order to not offend others?