JK Rowling hate law posts not criminal, police say

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Anonymous wrote:Hate speech is hate speech.

Who defines hate speech? I think a man calling himself a woman and wearing woman face is hateful.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. JKR is a hero. She could have just silently stood by in the face of the assault on women’s safety, health, and dignity that is the current transgender movement. Instead she has spoken up, putting herself in the line of entitled and angry male fire to protect the women prisoners being raped by their trans cellmates, the female rape victims forced to prostrate themselves in Scotland before Mridul Wadhwa’s enormous ego, and the girls forced to swallow their fears about predators in their safe spaces. What’s the phrase that Wadhwa used about rape victim afraid of male bodies? “Reframe their trauma” so she can be validated at the expense of rape victims? GTFO.

I’m sick and tired of this misogynist men’s rights religious movement destroying the safety and boundaries of girls and women. Good for JKR for speaking truth when others cannot.

Plus one million.

In fact, I don’t know any biological woman who doesn’t privately agree.

Same.

Guess those TERFs like to stick together.

TERF is no longer the offensive label you think it is.

I went to my son’s track meet the other day and watched a trans girl blow away the actual females. She was literally lapping the competition. How ANYONE in their right mind thinks it’s OK is beyond me.

Gimme that TERF label, put it in a shirt, and I’ll wear it proudly. This bull$hit has to stop.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

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She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

No, she's not doing that. Nor is she "stirring up hate". She is being controversial and, apparently, offensive. Not the same thing.

Of course she is.

“ "She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."”

Hysterical! So this trans person thinks that they have received more messages of hate than JK Rowling has? Do you realize how many trans women attack JK over and over again?

Seems like she gets back what she puts out.

Or, you know, vice versa.

She started pushing the hate. She wasn’t randomly targeted.

She started a women's shelter long before any "hate" started. She did start to speak up about minors being quickly transitioned and caused the investigation and eventual closure of Tavistock clinic. Maybe that's what you mean?

She started attacking the transgender community.

Here is the history since you seem unaware:
https://www.glamour.com/story/a-complete-breakdown-of-the-jk-rowling-transgender-comments-controversy

No one forced her to make those comments publicly. That’s 100% on her.

So she said that transgender women are men. And that people who menstruate are women.

Where’s the hate speech exactly? Still waiting.

Misgendering, deadnaming, lumping together transgender people with criminals, etc.

Standard TERF hate.

Still waiting for some quotes. But you won’t post them, because the only thing she is guilty of is saying what is true.

All of the things you refer to are rooted in facts.

If factual statements based upon material reality are “hate speech” to you, there is nothing left to discuss.

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This thread will be deleted shortly. Jeff actually said that referring to a transwoman as a biological male is transphobic.

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Anonymous wrote:I am glad it played out as it did -- I don't think Rowling's positions on this matter are grounded in hate, and while I don't always agree with her or what she says, it would be a real strike against free speech to prosecute her for her opinions.

She disagrees with some of the prevailing attitudes on gender and the law. A decent number of people agree with her. She doesn't invoke violence against trans people, though she does engage in behavior like deadnaming or questioning the gender someone says they are. I personally wouldn't engaging in those activities but the idea that they would be considered illegal is actually kind of scary to me.

So some hate speech is ok?

The line is fuzzy, PP.

I wouldn't purposefully deadname someone, because I believe we all have the right to choose own names, but I generally feel that JK Rowling is a humane individual and she makes good points. She has done many wonderful things in her life, has supported a lot of charitable causes, and like PP, I feel she's demonstrated her worth as a person enough times that I can ignore this difference we have.

Frankly, she isn't killing 32K civilians like Netanyahu or trying to topple democracy like Trump. Give her a break. Not everyone needs to agree with you on absolutely everything.

Her other actions and the actions of others are irrelevant.

Hate speech is hate speech.

To a rigid mind, or if this was court proceedings, you'd be right. But you're wrong, because we're not in court, and we are intelligent people who can cut a break to good people.

No. We can call out her abhorrent behavior for what it is. She doesn’t get a free pass to bully and spread hate.

I know you're desperately trying to get people to hate her, but you've tried so often and it's just not working. Her behavior is fine.

At this point, you're the one spewing hate, OP.

You are confusing posters. There are many people who think her behavior is abhorrent. She was investigated by the police about it (!).

DP. My mother is a proud feminist and hates JKR. For being so mean to those poor trans women.

I don't ask her about the poor cis women. It's not worth the arguing.

Which “poor cis women”?

Maybe this woman, raped in prison by her male cellmate who was there because he claimed to be a woman. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/man-posing-as-transgender-woman-raped-female-prisoner-at-rikers-law

Payton McNabb, the high school volleyball player who took a spike to the face from a trans player on the other team, ending her volleyball career and who still has partial facial paralysis. https://wlos.com/amp/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

The field hockey player who had her teeth knocked out from a shot from a trans player. https://nypost.com/2023/11/04/news/massachusetts-high-school-field-hockey-player-loses-teeth-after-shot-from-male-on-womans-team/amp/

The elite swimmers who changed in a janitors closet to avoid sharing a locker room with a naked Lia Thomas.

Maybe these women?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. JKR is a hero. She could have just silently stood by in the face of the assault on women’s safety, health, and dignity that is the current transgender movement. Instead she has spoken up, putting herself in the line of entitled and angry male fire to protect the women prisoners being raped by their trans cellmates, the female rape victims forced to prostrate themselves in Scotland before Mridul Wadhwa’s enormous ego, and the girls forced to swallow their fears about predators in their safe spaces. What’s the phrase that Wadhwa used about rape victim afraid of male bodies? “Reframe their trauma” so she can be validated at the expense of rape victims? GTFO.

I’m sick and tired of this misogynist men’s rights religious movement destroying the safety and boundaries of girls and women. Good for JKR for speaking truth when others cannot.

Plus one million.

In fact, I don’t know any biological woman who doesn’t privately agree.

Same.

Same. Most men too, even liberals.

However “progressive” men are almost universally the first to call women “bigots” when they say transgender women are men.

Yes, because at the end of the day, male progressives are embracing misogyny as eagerly as their conservative brothers have. They are united in their hatred of women.

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Anonymous wrote:I am glad it played out as it did -- I don't think Rowling's positions on this matter are grounded in hate, and while I don't always agree with her or what she says, it would be a real strike against free speech to prosecute her for her opinions.

She disagrees with some of the prevailing attitudes on gender and the law. A decent number of people agree with her. She doesn't invoke violence against trans people, though she does engage in behavior like deadnaming or questioning the gender someone says they are. I personally wouldn't engaging in those activities but the idea that they would be considered illegal is actually kind of scary to me.

So some hate speech is ok?

The line is fuzzy, PP.

I wouldn't purposefully deadname someone, because I believe we all have the right to choose own names, but I generally feel that JK Rowling is a humane individual and she makes good points. She has done many wonderful things in her life, has supported a lot of charitable causes, and like PP, I feel she's demonstrated her worth as a person enough times that I can ignore this difference we have.

Frankly, she isn't killing 32K civilians like Netanyahu or trying to topple democracy like Trump. Give her a break. Not everyone needs to agree with you on absolutely everything.

Her other actions and the actions of others are irrelevant.

Hate speech is hate speech.

To a rigid mind, or if this was court proceedings, you'd be right. But you're wrong, because we're not in court, and we are intelligent people who can cut a break to good people.

No. We can call out her abhorrent behavior for what it is. She doesn’t get a free pass to bully and spread hate.

I know you're desperately trying to get people to hate her, but you've tried so often and it's just not working. Her behavior is fine.

At this point, you're the one spewing hate, OP.

You are confusing posters. There are many people who think her behavior is abhorrent. She was investigated by the police about it (!).

DP. My mother is a proud feminist and hates JKR. For being so mean to those poor trans women.

I don't ask her about the poor cis women. It's not worth the arguing.

Which “poor cis women”?

Maybe this woman, raped in prison by her male cellmate who was there because he claimed to be a woman. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/man-posing-as-transgender-woman-raped-female-prisoner-at-rikers-law

Payton McNabb, the high school volleyball player who took a spike to the face from a trans player on the other team, ending her volleyball career and who still has partial facial paralysis. https://wlos.com/amp/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out

The field hockey player who had her teeth knocked out from a shot from a trans player. https://nypost.com/2023/11/04/news/massachusetts-high-school-field-hockey-player-loses-teeth-after-shot-from-male-on-womans-team/amp/

The elite swimmers who changed in a janitors closet to avoid sharing a locker room with a naked Lia Thomas.

Maybe these women?

All those women need to “reframe their trauma” to center the experience of the transwoman. Or so I am told by progressives.

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Anonymous wrote:I am glad it played out as it did -- I don't think Rowling's positions on this matter are grounded in hate, and while I don't always agree with her or what she says, it would be a real strike against free speech to prosecute her for her opinions.

She disagrees with some of the prevailing attitudes on gender and the law. A decent number of people agree with her. She doesn't invoke violence against trans people, though she does engage in behavior like deadnaming or questioning the gender someone says they are. I personally wouldn't engaging in those activities but the idea that they would be considered illegal is actually kind of scary to me.

So some hate speech is ok?

The line is fuzzy, PP.

I wouldn't purposefully deadname someone, because I believe we all have the right to choose own names, but I generally feel that JK Rowling is a humane individual and she makes good points. She has done many wonderful things in her life, has supported a lot of charitable causes, and like PP, I feel she's demonstrated her worth as a person enough times that I can ignore this difference we have.

Frankly, she isn't killing 32K civilians like Netanyahu or trying to topple democracy like Trump. Give her a break. Not everyone needs to agree with you on absolutely everything.

Her other actions and the actions of others are irrelevant.

Hate speech is hate speech.

Which is 100% legal in this country and I am very proud of this fact especially after what the UK has done.

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Anonymous wrote:She predicted by loosening laws that now say anyone who merely verbally identifies as a woman is a woman entitled to enter any female only space it is going to cause problems and be unsafe for women.

So now a man who is registered sex offender can enter a Korean spa and get naked around girls and women.

Men who have sexually assaulted women and girls can declare they are women and be sent to women prisons.

People who have gone through puberty as males then transition can blow the competition away competing against females.

The obnoxious thing about Nevis is they transitioned at age 48 around 2019 and then were chosen as a “UN Women UK delegate to the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women.” After 4 years they get to represent the status of women?!!! 4 years? There are 30 million women in the UK to choose from. This is why feminists get so upset. Show me where someone who transitioned to being male is representing males after 4 years. Men wouldn’t put up with it. Only women are told to move aside.

Trans men wouldn't put themselves forward for such a position.

Trans men mostly do their own thing and don't create drama. Because they were socialized as women. They just want to be safe to live as they please.

Trans women are wrecking havoc precisely because they were raised as men and lived as men. They feel entitled to women's bodies and women's spaces, they think they know more than women, and many of them flat out hate women.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread will be deleted shortly. Jeff actually said that referring to a transwoman as a biological male is transphobic.

So now the truth is transphobic.

I for one am a proud TERF. Because I am a woman, and a feminist. And no biological male gets to say HE gets to define what a woman is. Ridiculous.

And it's not transphobic to recognize that biology is real.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread will be deleted shortly. Jeff actually said that referring to a transwoman as a biological male is transphobic.

I actually said the obvious. I am not going to delete this thread, but I am going to lock it simply because you are spending more time predicting my actions (wrongly) and saying that I said things that I didn't say then you are talking about the topic. So, I guess you don't actually care about the topic.