JK Rowling hate law posts not criminal, police say

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am glad it played out as it did -- I don't think Rowling's positions on this matter are grounded in hate, and while I don't always agree with her or what she says, it would be a real strike against free speech to prosecute her for her opinions.

She disagrees with some of the prevailing attitudes on gender and the law. A decent number of people agree with her. She doesn't invoke violence against trans people, though she does engage in behavior like deadnaming or questioning the gender someone says they are. I personally wouldn't engaging in those activities but the idea that they would be considered illegal is actually kind of scary to me.

So some hate speech is ok?

The line is fuzzy, PP.

I wouldn't purposefully deadname someone, because I believe we all have the right to choose own names, but I generally feel that JK Rowling is a humane individual and she makes good points. She has done many wonderful things in her life, has supported a lot of charitable causes, and like PP, I feel she's demonstrated her worth as a person enough times that I can ignore this difference we have.

Frankly, she isn't killing 32K civilians like Netanyahu or trying to topple democracy like Trump. Give her a break. Not everyone needs to agree with you on absolutely everything.

Her other actions and the actions of others are irrelevant.

Hate speech is hate speech.

To a rigid mind, or if this was court proceedings, you'd be right. But you're wrong, because we're not in court, and we are intelligent people who can cut a break to good people.

No. We can call out her abhorrent behavior for what it is. She doesn’t get a free pass to bully and spread hate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

Only if you consider it anti-trans hate to say that transwomen are human males, aka men.

It also happens to be truth.

Bigots love to misgender.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hate speech is hate speech.

What part of what she said is “hate speech”?

She’s a bigoted bulky who uses her platform to spread hate.


Katie Neeves, a trans woman who was appointed a UN Women UK delegate, was mentioned by Ms Rowling in a previous thread on X.
The author claimed Ms Neeves "switched from straight man to lesbian at the age of 48".
Ms Neeves told BBC News she was "very disappointed" with Police Scotland.
She said: "JK Rowling is a bully and this act was designed to stop bullying, and if they're not going to enforce it then that's very disappointing."
"She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."

So it’s considered hate to say that a transgender person transitioned?

Interesting

Don’t be obtuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hate speech is hate speech.

What part of what she said is “hate speech”?

She’s a bigoted bulky who uses her platform to spread hate.


Katie Neeves, a trans woman who was appointed a UN Women UK delegate, was mentioned by Ms Rowling in a previous thread on X.
The author claimed Ms Neeves "switched from straight man to lesbian at the age of 48".
Ms Neeves told BBC News she was "very disappointed" with Police Scotland.
She said: "JK Rowling is a bully and this act was designed to stop bullying, and if they're not going to enforce it then that's very disappointing."
"She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."

So it’s considered hate to say that a transgender person transitioned?

Interesting

Don’t be obtuse.

DP. Ms Neeves was offended because she was lumped in with sex offenders and because it was noted that she transitioned.

The first is offensive but not hate speech. The second? Is that hate speech now? Mentioning that a trans person transitioned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hate speech is hate speech.

What part of what she said is “hate speech”?

She’s a bigoted bulky who uses her platform to spread hate.


Katie Neeves, a trans woman who was appointed a UN Women UK delegate, was mentioned by Ms Rowling in a previous thread on X.
The author claimed Ms Neeves "switched from straight man to lesbian at the age of 48".
Ms Neeves told BBC News she was "very disappointed" with Police Scotland.
She said: "JK Rowling is a bully and this act was designed to stop bullying, and if they're not going to enforce it then that's very disappointing."
"She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."

So it’s considered hate to say that a transgender person transitioned?

Interesting

Don’t be obtuse.

Then explain what that quote meant? Because neither Ms Neeves nor you made the point you think you did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am glad it played out as it did -- I don't think Rowling's positions on this matter are grounded in hate, and while I don't always agree with her or what she says, it would be a real strike against free speech to prosecute her for her opinions.

She disagrees with some of the prevailing attitudes on gender and the law. A decent number of people agree with her. She doesn't invoke violence against trans people, though she does engage in behavior like deadnaming or questioning the gender someone says they are. I personally wouldn't engaging in those activities but the idea that they would be considered illegal is actually kind of scary to me.

So some hate speech is ok?

The line is fuzzy, PP.

I wouldn't purposefully deadname someone, because I believe we all have the right to choose own names, but I generally feel that JK Rowling is a humane individual and she makes good points. She has done many wonderful things in her life, has supported a lot of charitable causes, and like PP, I feel she's demonstrated her worth as a person enough times that I can ignore this difference we have.

Frankly, she isn't killing 32K civilians like Netanyahu or trying to topple democracy like Trump. Give her a break. Not everyone needs to agree with you on absolutely everything.

Her other actions and the actions of others are irrelevant.

Hate speech is hate speech.

To a rigid mind, or if this was court proceedings, you'd be right. But you're wrong, because we're not in court, and we are intelligent people who can cut a break to good people.

No. We can call out her abhorrent behavior for what it is. She doesn’t get a free pass to bully and spread hate.

Except she doesn’t do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hate speech is hate speech.

What part of what she said is “hate speech”?

She’s a bigoted bulky who uses her platform to spread hate.


Katie Neeves, a trans woman who was appointed a UN Women UK delegate, was mentioned by Ms Rowling in a previous thread on X.
The author claimed Ms Neeves "switched from straight man to lesbian at the age of 48".
Ms Neeves told BBC News she was "very disappointed" with Police Scotland.
She said: "JK Rowling is a bully and this act was designed to stop bullying, and if they're not going to enforce it then that's very disappointing."
"She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."

So it’s considered hate to say that a transgender person transitioned?

Interesting

Don’t be obtuse.

Please provide quotes of any “hate speech” from JKR.

All I see is a comment stating that a transgender person transitioned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

Only if you consider it anti-trans hate to say that transwomen are human males, aka men.

It also happens to be truth.

Bigots love to misgender.

It’s not bigotry, it’s biology. You know, science.

[Anonymous]

All the women here calling JKR a hateful bigot and bully: Would you be comfortable at a women's clothing optional spa with trans women? A women's shelter? A prison?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am glad it played out as it did -- I don't think Rowling's positions on this matter are grounded in hate, and while I don't always agree with her or what she says, it would be a real strike against free speech to prosecute her for her opinions.

She disagrees with some of the prevailing attitudes on gender and the law. A decent number of people agree with her. She doesn't invoke violence against trans people, though she does engage in behavior like deadnaming or questioning the gender someone says they are. I personally wouldn't engaging in those activities but the idea that they would be considered illegal is actually kind of scary to me.

So some hate speech is ok?

The line is fuzzy, PP.

I wouldn't purposefully deadname someone, because I believe we all have the right to choose own names, but I generally feel that JK Rowling is a humane individual and she makes good points. She has done many wonderful things in her life, has supported a lot of charitable causes, and like PP, I feel she's demonstrated her worth as a person enough times that I can ignore this difference we have.

Frankly, she isn't killing 32K civilians like Netanyahu or trying to topple democracy like Trump. Give her a break. Not everyone needs to agree with you on absolutely everything.

Her other actions and the actions of others are irrelevant.

Hate speech is hate speech.

To a rigid mind, or if this was court proceedings, you'd be right. But you're wrong, because we're not in court, and we are intelligent people who can cut a break to good people.

No. We can call out her abhorrent behavior for what it is. She doesn’t get a free pass to bully and spread hate.

I know you're desperately trying to get people to hate her, but you've tried so often and it's just not working. Her behavior is fine.

At this point, you're the one spewing hate, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the women here calling JKR a hateful bigot and bully: Would you be comfortable at a women's clothing optional spa with trans women? A women's shelter? A prison?

It's just one poster, and they've been creating threads about JK Rowling for a while now.
The first one generated a TON of debate, but everyone's over it by now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

Only if you consider it anti-trans hate to say that transwomen are human males, aka men.

It also happens to be truth.

Bigots love to misgender.

It’s not bigotry, it’s biology. You know, science.

Sex <> gender

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

No, she's not doing that. Nor is she "stirring up hate". She is being controversial and, apparently, offensive. Not the same thing.

Of course she is.

“ "She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."”

Katie Neeves, who admitted to stealing and wearing their sister’s underwear, who’s a UN Women’s Rep for the UK?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

No, she's not doing that. Nor is she "stirring up hate". She is being controversial and, apparently, offensive. Not the same thing.

Of course she is.

“ "She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."”

Hysterical! So this trans person thinks that they have received more messages of hate than JK Rowling has? Do you realize how many trans women attack JK over and over again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

Only if you consider it anti-trans hate to say that transwomen are human males, aka men.

It also happens to be truth.

Bigots love to misgender.

It’s not bigotry, it’s biology. You know, science.

Sex <> gender

For decades, we tried to say that sex and gender are separate constructs. Trans people finally allowed us to acknowledge that they are the same - that is why trans people want surgery, to make them the same.