JK Rowling hate law posts not criminal, police say

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Anonymous wrote:All the women here calling JKR a hateful bigot and bully: Would you be comfortable at a women's clothing optional spa with trans women? A women's shelter? A prison?

Hint: it’s not women calling her a bigot

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Anonymous wrote:I am glad it played out as it did -- I don't think Rowling's positions on this matter are grounded in hate, and while I don't always agree with her or what she says, it would be a real strike against free speech to prosecute her for her opinions.

She disagrees with some of the prevailing attitudes on gender and the law. A decent number of people agree with her. She doesn't invoke violence against trans people, though she does engage in behavior like deadnaming or questioning the gender someone says they are. I personally wouldn't engaging in those activities but the idea that they would be considered illegal is actually kind of scary to me.

So some hate speech is ok?

The line is fuzzy, PP.

I wouldn't purposefully deadname someone, because I believe we all have the right to choose own names, but I generally feel that JK Rowling is a humane individual and she makes good points. She has done many wonderful things in her life, has supported a lot of charitable causes, and like PP, I feel she's demonstrated her worth as a person enough times that I can ignore this difference we have.

Frankly, she isn't killing 32K civilians like Netanyahu or trying to topple democracy like Trump. Give her a break. Not everyone needs to agree with you on absolutely everything.

Her other actions and the actions of others are irrelevant.

Hate speech is hate speech.

To a rigid mind, or if this was court proceedings, you'd be right. But you're wrong, because we're not in court, and we are intelligent people who can cut a break to good people.

No. We can call out her abhorrent behavior for what it is. She doesn’t get a free pass to bully and spread hate.

I know you're desperately trying to get people to hate her, but you've tried so often and it's just not working. Her behavior is fine.

At this point, you're the one spewing hate, OP.

You are confusing posters. There are many people who think her behavior is abhorrent. She was investigated by the police about it (!).

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Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

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She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

No, she's not doing that. Nor is she "stirring up hate". She is being controversial and, apparently, offensive. Not the same thing.

Of course she is.

“ "She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."”

Hysterical! So this trans person thinks that they have received more messages of hate than JK Rowling has? Do you realize how many trans women attack JK over and over again?

Seems like she gets back what she puts out.

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Anonymous wrote:I am glad it played out as it did -- I don't think Rowling's positions on this matter are grounded in hate, and while I don't always agree with her or what she says, it would be a real strike against free speech to prosecute her for her opinions.

She disagrees with some of the prevailing attitudes on gender and the law. A decent number of people agree with her. She doesn't invoke violence against trans people, though she does engage in behavior like deadnaming or questioning the gender someone says they are. I personally wouldn't engaging in those activities but the idea that they would be considered illegal is actually kind of scary to me.

So some hate speech is ok?

The line is fuzzy, PP.

I wouldn't purposefully deadname someone, because I believe we all have the right to choose own names, but I generally feel that JK Rowling is a humane individual and she makes good points. She has done many wonderful things in her life, has supported a lot of charitable causes, and like PP, I feel she's demonstrated her worth as a person enough times that I can ignore this difference we have.

Frankly, she isn't killing 32K civilians like Netanyahu or trying to topple democracy like Trump. Give her a break. Not everyone needs to agree with you on absolutely everything.

Her other actions and the actions of others are irrelevant.

Hate speech is hate speech.

To a rigid mind, or if this was court proceedings, you'd be right. But you're wrong, because we're not in court, and we are intelligent people who can cut a break to good people.

No. We can call out her abhorrent behavior for what it is. She doesn’t get a free pass to bully and spread hate.

I know you're desperately trying to get people to hate her, but you've tried so often and it's just not working. Her behavior is fine.

At this point, you're the one spewing hate, OP.

You are confusing posters. There are many people who think her behavior is abhorrent. She was investigated by the police about it (!).

DP. My mother is a proud feminist and hates JKR. For being so mean to those poor trans women.

I don't ask her about the poor cis women. It's not worth the arguing.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

No, she's not doing that. Nor is she "stirring up hate". She is being controversial and, apparently, offensive. Not the same thing.

Of course she is.

“ "She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."”

Hysterical! So this trans person thinks that they have received more messages of hate than JK Rowling has? Do you realize how many trans women attack JK over and over again?

Seems like she gets back what she puts out.

Or, you know, vice versa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the women here calling JKR a hateful bigot and bully: Would you be comfortable at a women's clothing optional spa with trans women? A women's shelter? A prison?

I wouldn’t be comfortable at a naked spa either way. I don’t want to see flabby vulvas any more than I want to see tiny penises.

Prisons are dangerous places for women. My biggest fear would be being attacked by another inmate or guard.

No problem with women’s shelter.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

No, she's not doing that. Nor is she "stirring up hate". She is being controversial and, apparently, offensive. Not the same thing.

Of course she is.

“ "She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."”

Hysterical! So this trans person thinks that they have received more messages of hate than JK Rowling has? Do you realize how many trans women attack JK over and over again?

Seems like she gets back what she puts out.

Or, you know, vice versa.

She started pushing the hate. She wasn’t randomly targeted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the women here calling JKR a hateful bigot and bully: Would you be comfortable at a women's clothing optional spa with trans women? A women's shelter? A prison?

I wouldn’t be comfortable at a naked spa either way. I don’t want to see flabby vulvas any more than I want to see tiny penises.

Prisons are dangerous places for women. My biggest fear would be being attacked by another inmate or guard.

No problem with women’s shelter.

Why do women go to women's shelters? As opposed to a homeless shelter etc.? Think about other people's circumstances.

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Anonymous wrote:I am glad it played out as it did -- I don't think Rowling's positions on this matter are grounded in hate, and while I don't always agree with her or what she says, it would be a real strike against free speech to prosecute her for her opinions.

She disagrees with some of the prevailing attitudes on gender and the law. A decent number of people agree with her. She doesn't invoke violence against trans people, though she does engage in behavior like deadnaming or questioning the gender someone says they are. I personally wouldn't engaging in those activities but the idea that they would be considered illegal is actually kind of scary to me.

So some hate speech is ok?

The line is fuzzy, PP.

I wouldn't purposefully deadname someone, because I believe we all have the right to choose own names, but I generally feel that JK Rowling is a humane individual and she makes good points. She has done many wonderful things in her life, has supported a lot of charitable causes, and like PP, I feel she's demonstrated her worth as a person enough times that I can ignore this difference we have.

Frankly, she isn't killing 32K civilians like Netanyahu or trying to topple democracy like Trump. Give her a break. Not everyone needs to agree with you on absolutely everything.

Her other actions and the actions of others are irrelevant.

Hate speech is hate speech.

To a rigid mind, or if this was court proceedings, you'd be right. But you're wrong, because we're not in court, and we are intelligent people who can cut a break to good people.

No. We can call out her abhorrent behavior for what it is. She doesn’t get a free pass to bully and spread hate.

I know you're desperately trying to get people to hate her, but you've tried so often and it's just not working. Her behavior is fine.

At this point, you're the one spewing hate, OP.

You are confusing posters. There are many people who think her behavior is abhorrent. She was investigated by the police about it (!).

DP. My mother is a proud feminist and hates JKR. For being so mean to those poor trans women.

I don't ask her about the poor cis women. It's not worth the arguing.

Which “poor cis women”?

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Anonymous wrote:All the women here calling JKR a hateful bigot and bully: Would you be comfortable at a women's clothing optional spa with trans women? A women's shelter? A prison?

Hint: it’s not women calling her a bigot

So true. It's men. Men who think that THEY know what a woman is better than any woman could.

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Anonymous wrote:All the women here calling JKR a hateful bigot and bully: Would you be comfortable at a women's clothing optional spa with trans women? A women's shelter? A prison?

I wouldn’t be comfortable at a naked spa either way. I don’t want to see flabby vulvas any more than I want to see tiny penises.

Prisons are dangerous places for women. My biggest fear would be being attacked by another inmate or guard.

No problem with women’s shelter.

Why do women go to women's shelters? As opposed to a homeless shelter etc.? Think about other people's circumstances.

To get away from their abusive partner.

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Anonymous wrote:I am glad it played out as it did -- I don't think Rowling's positions on this matter are grounded in hate, and while I don't always agree with her or what she says, it would be a real strike against free speech to prosecute her for her opinions.

She disagrees with some of the prevailing attitudes on gender and the law. A decent number of people agree with her. She doesn't invoke violence against trans people, though she does engage in behavior like deadnaming or questioning the gender someone says they are. I personally wouldn't engaging in those activities but the idea that they would be considered illegal is actually kind of scary to me.

So some hate speech is ok?

In this country, all hate speech is okay. I don't cheer on the European hate speech laws, personally. While I understand that there are differences in culture and in history, I don't think hate speech laws are a great idea for any country. YMMV

Agreed. After seeing what happens in the UK, I’m grateful that our forefathers had the foresight to protect speech in this country.

Agreed. You know it’s crazy town when an ACLU attorney is fighting to ban books they personally dislike.

Some of the data put out by FIRE around the speech climate at US universities is terrifying.

Thankfully Rowling has the courage and money to essentially protect anyone in Scotland who speaks out on this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

No, she's not doing that. Nor is she "stirring up hate". She is being controversial and, apparently, offensive. Not the same thing.

Of course she is.

“ "She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."”

Hysterical! So this trans person thinks that they have received more messages of hate than JK Rowling has? Do you realize how many trans women attack JK over and over again?

Seems like she gets back what she puts out.

Or, you know, vice versa.

She started pushing the hate. She wasn’t randomly targeted.

She started a women's shelter long before any "hate" started. She did start to speak up about minors being quickly transitioned and caused the investigation and eventual closure of Tavistock clinic. Maybe that's what you mean?

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Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

No, she's not doing that. Nor is she "stirring up hate". She is being controversial and, apparently, offensive. Not the same thing.

Of course she is.

“ "She listed me and some other trans people along with some sex offenders and put it out to 14 million of her followers.
"That was inciting hatred and it resulted in me receiving thousands of messages of hate. So it's done what she set out for it to do."
Ms Neeves said the story had been published all over the world and was "all misinformation about me".
She added: "It's horrible and it's really harmful."”

Hysterical! So this trans person thinks that they have received more messages of hate than JK Rowling has? Do you realize how many trans women attack JK over and over again?

Seems like she gets back what she puts out.

Or, you know, vice versa.

She started pushing the hate. She wasn’t randomly targeted.

Why don’t you share for us some quotes where she “pushes hate”

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Anonymous wrote:She’s simply speaking out against men who decided they’re women to get into women’s spaces. Women’s prisons, women’s shelters, keeping sex offenders away from women and girls, and men/boys out of women’s/girls sports. And being able to keep the freedom of speech to do so.

I applaud her for not towing the (celebrity) company line, pretending it’s okay.

+ 1

She's a true feminist, not to mention one of the few self-made billionaires, a philanthropist, and a brave BAMF. One of the most inspirational women alive.

And using her platform to spread anti-trans hate.

Only if you consider it anti-trans hate to say that transwomen are human males, aka men.

It also happens to be truth.

Bigots love to misgender.

It’s not bigotry, it’s biology. You know, science.

Sex <> gender

For decades, we tried to say that sex and gender are separate constructs. Trans people finally allowed us to acknowledge that they are the same - that is why trans people want surgery, to make them the same.

Gender affirmation surgery…