Teens bedroom is a health hazard but teen won't clean it. CPS breathing down my neck. Wtd?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Send her to boarding school.


How do you force a kid to go to boarding school? Tie them up in the car?


Yes. There are professional companies that you hire to abduct your children and take them to the private prison school you enroll her in. Two huge guys come in at night and grab her and put her in the car.
I'm not kidding. You can look it up.


I have a relative that is at boarding school. She still elopes. She has been kicked out of one school. Hers is more of a military style boarding school for problem kids. I don’t think any school can force a kid to stay that doesn’t want to be there.

The schools/wilderness type camps for troubled youths have temporary guardianship of the kids. Yes, kids can run away but if/when they are caught, they are returned to their guardian. Unless the parents want to remove the kids from the program.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As a former attorney for the state, I have definitely filed petitions that resulted in removing children from homes that were filthy, full of bugs and rotten food and unclean clothing and other textiles etc.

That’s a form of child neglect.

What do you people think the criteria for removal should be?

In another thread I was excoriated for declaring that it is a form of abuse to constantly scream and yell at a child, and posters said that CPS would never remove for that. Wrong. Some parents scream and yell and drive their kids to suicidal ideation and yes, emotional cruelty is a form of child abuse.

I could swear I saw a thread on here about the Michigan parents who were recently convicted of manslaughter connected to their son’s school shooting of several classmates, including four who died.

That boy’s room was a pile of filth and his parents did nothing to help him with obvious serious mental illness including suicidal ideation which he had repeatedly expressed to them. They were too busy with their work and horses and extramarital affairs to take care of the child they brought into this world. Too bad CPS wasn’t advised of the situation before they got the bright idea to buy their kid a 9mm handgun.



Not asking for "legal advice" but PP former state's attorney do you have a sense of how it might be viewed for OP to potentially send the child to live with a known hoarder? I'm a lawyer but do not practice in relevant area, but worry that could be seen negatively re: OP's duty of care to the child. I think OP needs legal advice and a psychiatrist for the child.
Has she been evaluated for PDA autism? Anxiety? ODD? Trauma? She may need meds. Therapy that she does not engage in and weekend "boot camps" are not working. OP, you should be evaluated too - depression, ADD, something is amiss given how far you let this go before taking control of the room yourself. Also that you married a man who is a mentally ill hoarder. Getting a comprehensive treatment plan in place for both of you could make life much easier.
Anonymous
OP, do the kids see their father regularly? Where do those visits happen? Is he able to hold a job consistently?

Are there any ways or times that you are able to connect with DD? I'd suggest taking her out for lunch or a mani or coffee but not sure you are able to do that with the other 3 kids. I have a very oppositional teen and trying to do that did help a bit with the conflict level. It's like putting positive deposits in the bank of your relationship.

How is her behavior at school and with other authority figures? Who suggested the weekend boot camps? What were the goals?
Anonymous
It’s your house, your daughter so it’s your responsibility to clean that room. Daily if you have to .
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is fake. Cps does not care.


May not be. OP said she thought that there were "other" reports, possibly, she did not say what the substance of those could be. Rotting food and bugs would be something they would document if they showed up.


As someone who has worked in CPS, this is 100% fake. CPS is not going to care about this.
Anonymous
Others who worked in the system have said otherwise in this thread.

No way to really know.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Send her to boarding school.


How do you force a kid to go to boarding school? Tie them up in the car?


Yes. There are professional companies that you hire to abduct your children and take them to the private prison school you enroll her in. Two huge guys come in at night and grab her and put her in the car.
I'm not kidding. You can look it up.


I have a relative that is at boarding school. She still elopes. She has been kicked out of one school. Hers is more of a military style boarding school for problem kids. I don’t think any school can force a kid to stay that doesn’t want to be there.


Yes, they can and do. There is a documentary about it on Netflix or Amazon, I can't remember which. Can't believe you haven't see it, it was the most popular thing for like a month.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Send her to boarding school.


How do you force a kid to go to boarding school? Tie them up in the car?


Yes. There are professional companies that you hire to abduct your children and take them to the private prison school you enroll her in. Two huge guys come in at night and grab her and put her in the car.
I'm not kidding. You can look it up.


Oh, and it works out GREAT. The kids are grateful eventually. /s
Anonymous
Have teen work with you pomodoro method style (set timer for 45 minutes of work, then 15 minutes of break, and repeat at least three times through out the day.

1) collect all the dirty dishes and food, put them in the dishwasher and run it.
2) take a trash bag and collect all the trash you can see
3) collect all the dirty clothes, put them in the laundry and start the wash.
4) remove everything from the bed and put all dirty sheets and bedding in the laundry and make the bed.
5) starting at the door pick up and clear the items on the floor.
6) sweep or vacuum the floor
7) start at the one side of the room clean/organize the flat surfaces of the dresser and desk and bookshelf
8) clean/organize the closet.
9) clean/organize dresser drawers.

Each time you start a new hour of work, start at the beginning of the list. You’ll be able to see that the first hour you only got through for example step 3, but the second hour you were on step 4, and the next day on step 5. By starting at the beginning every time you keep trash from collecting while the dressers are being organized. By limiting it to 45 minutes at a time you give yourself and your teen a stopping point so you don’t burn out.

There is no room so bad that two people doing this list three times a day it won’t get clean very quickly.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is fake. Cps does not care.


May not be. OP said she thought that there were "other" reports, possibly, she did not say what the substance of those could be. Rotting food and bugs would be something they would document if they showed up.


As someone who has worked in CPS, this is 100% fake. CPS is not going to care about this.


This. I knew it was a troll but everyone jumped on in. This is nbd- esp since she cleaned it sometimes. Meaning- if it had crap laying in it, invested with maggots and flies, a deceased animal or rats scurrying about - AND it was the mom’s issue, yeah, maybe. A client’s former spouse had dog crap all over the house bc she never let the puppy out. This includes on the couches. She suspects a family
member reported it and sent in photos of the kids sitting on the couch with poop mountains all around them. Cps knocked, looked, and asked her why this was like that and the former wife said it’s hard to take the puppy out all the time. They left and the report said the allegation of neglect was unfounded. Messy rooms aren’t neglectful - even gross ones. This was stupid. What a waste of time.

- former lawyer who dealt with cps cases
Anonymous
What’s with the word “bureau” everywhere?
Anonymous
OP, how did the visit today go?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, how did the visit today go?


Fake. Was no visit.
Anonymous
You can't know that, PP. A poster who was a state's attorney posted she has been involved in such cases. CPS has a lot of variability across jurisdictions and workers. Which, if OP is real, is why she should seek legal advice before re-homing DD into ex's hoarder home.
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