Charter vs public (elementary)

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think DCUM was very pro charter but this thread makes me think the DCPS contingent has won out.

No, DCUM is stridently pro-DCPS. I think this is because DCUM is largely WOTP, where the DCPS's are decent. But then these posters act like they are doing god's work, etc etc etc by supporting unions, blah blah blah.

Nah. There are lots of parents on here who gave DCPS schools like Payne and Garrison and shot and are happy.

This. In Bloomingdale and ended up "pleasantly surprised" (in quotes because every single other PK family said this over and over) with our DCPS school 7 years ago, whereas every family I know that lotteried into MV, CM, and TR has since left the school, sorely disappointed. ITS and Yu Ying seems to be places where families stuck around, though.

What's the IB MS and HS in Bloomingdale and will you be sending your child there.

I mean, right back atcha for charters. With the possible exception of DCI feeders, there’s no charter elementary with a clear path to MS and HS feeders.

To actually answer this question, the IB middle and high schools are McKinley Middle and Dunbar, which are a no go for many people. However, between Latin, Latin Cooper, BASIS, ITS, DCI if you're into that (for the time being), Sojourner Truth if you're into that, and Stuart-Hobson, it's reasonable to think middle school will work out. People with younger kids are hopeful about the new Euclid St middle school, even if living OOB for it. For high school, there are the application schools, Truth if you're into that, a slim shot at Latin and Latin Cooper, and the possibility of MacArthur if you don't mind a long bus ride. So while the situation is definitely not great, it's also not terrible-- I think for preschool and lower elementary age kids, it's very reasonable to stay in the neighborhood for a few years and see what shakes out.

Last year was the first year I've noticed people willing to run the clock at Langley through 4th.

Sorry but you are naive and incorrect. Middle and high school seats at decent schools like are getting more and more competitive every year as more families come up the chain needing seats. More families are being locked out compared to a few years ago.

Forget DCI if you are not in a feeder. Latin and Basis you have a better chance but WL very long.

Truth so many families are looking to get out. SH still does not have the buy in from the best feeder elementary group EOTP (CH schools) and less but in since the pandemic.

Reality is that ECE families today will face even more intense competition in a few years.

If you luck out in the lottery, I would move by 1sr/2nd to good school pyramid

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One result of increased competition as more families stay in DC for upper grades is that more schools will become acceptable over time. The currently “acceptable” schools are not that way because they have much better teachers. If more schools started reflecting the demographics of their inbound populations because families couldn’t lottery out many more schools will start looking better. This is not going to help in neighborhoods where there is very concentrated poverty but there are many schools whose at risk populations are considerably higher than the inbound neighborhood.

+1. Many of us that refinanced to sub 3% interest rates just can’t afford to move to Maryland in elementary anymore. I think housing prices will keep more families in their starter homes, and in their local schools, longer. Easier for elementary than middle school, but we’re in middle elementary and see it happening already at our EOTP DCPS.

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In the last 8 years, Barnard has had the same principal and has been at the same location. During that time, my reputable charter has been through 3-4 building changes, several principals, EDs and other admins. The test scores of the two schools are not that different. And much more favorable for Barnard given that they are working with a greater percent high risk population. In retrospect I’d take the stability of DCPS over my ups and downs at the charter school any day.

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DCUM is still very pro-charter middle school. Views on elementary school have changed in many neighborhoods (charters are still preferred in some areas such as Brookland). Most DCPS elementary schools are good for early elementary and okay for upper elementary.

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This is also a good point. The last large exodus at our school was at the end of 2022 before mortgage rates increased substantially. I think more families still here are despite the pandemic issues strongly considering staying in the city for middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:This is also a good point. The last large exodus at our school was at the end of 2022 before mortgage rates increased substantially. I think more families still here are despite the pandemic issues strongly considering staying in the city for middle school.

No, many families are tired of the rising crime in the city. So on top of poor schools, it’s another reason for them to move out of the city.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think DCUM was very pro charter but this thread makes me think the DCPS contingent has won out.

No, DCUM is stridently pro-DCPS. I think this is because DCUM is largely WOTP, where the DCPS's are decent. But then these posters act like they are doing god's work, etc etc etc by supporting unions, blah blah blah.

Nah. There are lots of parents on here who gave DCPS schools like Payne and Garrison and shot and are happy.

This. In Bloomingdale and ended up "pleasantly surprised" (in quotes because every single other PK family said this over and over) with our DCPS school 7 years ago, whereas every family I know that lotteried into MV, CM, and TR has since left the school, sorely disappointed. ITS and Yu Ying seems to be places where families stuck around, though.

What's the IB MS and HS in Bloomingdale and will you be sending your child there.

I mean, right back atcha for charters. With the possible exception of DCI feeders, there’s no charter elementary with a clear path to MS and HS feeders.

This mistake is to send your kids to charters in elementary in hopes of a better middle school path. Your kids will be starting middle school with sub-par academics from their charter. You are better off getting a more solid education and experience at DCPS in elementary and then figuring out middle school when you get there through lottery etc. I’m not quite sure why people are discounting McFarland. The scores may reflect the population rather than academics and teaching quality of teachers. Everyone I’ve spoken to thinks well of teachers and principal.

I am sure your Kids are getting a great education at their Low performing DCPS. I really don’t want my kid to be the smarter in their classroom.

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No tiger queen here, just a mom who had to confront the reality that her youngest didn't learn a thing in 4th grade math at our super gentrified DCPS EotP virtually and during the hybrid learning phase during the pandemic. We've been meeting charter and DCPS ES friends alike at Mathnasium (great place) for the past two years. ES academics just aren't great in this city in the public system and Covid didn't help.

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We're less likely to sell and move to the suburbs if our kid doesn't get into Latin or BASIS than we would be if interest rates were lower. But there are other DCPS middle schools and charters which are less difficult to get into and are still higher on my list than our zoned middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 8 years, Barnard has had the same principal and has been at the same location. During that time, my reputable charter has been through 3-4 building changes, several principals, EDs and other admins. The test scores of the two schools are not that different. And much more favorable for Barnard given that they are working with a greater percent high risk population. In retrospect I’d take the stability of DCPS over my ups and downs at the charter school any day.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1110151.page

Most parents IB for Barnard disagree with you. Barnard has only 30% IB boundary participation rate.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think DCUM was very pro charter but this thread makes me think the DCPS contingent has won out.

No, DCUM is stridently pro-DCPS. I think this is because DCUM is largely WOTP, where the DCPS's are decent. But then these posters act like they are doing god's work, etc etc etc by supporting unions, blah blah blah.

Nah. There are lots of parents on here who gave DCPS schools like Payne and Garrison and shot and are happy.

This. In Bloomingdale and ended up "pleasantly surprised" (in quotes because every single other PK family said this over and over) with our DCPS school 7 years ago, whereas every family I know that lotteried into MV, CM, and TR has since left the school, sorely disappointed. ITS and Yu Ying seems to be places where families stuck around, though.

What's the IB MS and HS in Bloomingdale and will you be sending your child there.

I mean, right back atcha for charters. With the possible exception of DCI feeders, there’s no charter elementary with a clear path to MS and HS feeders.

This mistake is to send your kids to charters in elementary in hopes of a better middle school path. Your kids will be starting middle school with sub-par academics from their charter. You are better off getting a more solid education and experience at DCPS in elementary and then figuring out middle school when you get there through lottery etc. I’m not quite sure why people are discounting McFarland. The scores may reflect the population rather than academics and teaching quality of teachers. Everyone I’ve spoken to thinks well of teachers and principal.

Not a mistake at all. You don’t want be this poster:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1195044.page

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 8 years, Barnard has had the same principal and has been at the same location. During that time, my reputable charter has been through 3-4 building changes, several principals, EDs and other admins. The test scores of the two schools are not that different. And much more favorable for Barnard given that they are working with a greater percent high risk population. In retrospect I’d take the stability of DCPS over my ups and downs at the charter school any day.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1110151.page

Most parents IB for Barnard disagree with you. Barnard has only 30% IB boundary participation rate.

That’s because the MS and HS are problematic so many parents move their kids out in later grades. We loved Barnard and hated to leave, but could not risk MacFarland and certainly not Roosevelt. We lotteried to a WOTP DCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think DCUM was very pro charter but this thread makes me think the DCPS contingent has won out.

No, DCUM is stridently pro-DCPS. I think this is because DCUM is largely WOTP, where the DCPS's are decent. But then these posters act like they are doing god's work, etc etc etc by supporting unions, blah blah blah.

Nah. There are lots of parents on here who gave DCPS schools like Payne and Garrison and shot and are happy.

This. In Bloomingdale and ended up "pleasantly surprised" (in quotes because every single other PK family said this over and over) with our DCPS school 7 years ago, whereas every family I know that lotteried into MV, CM, and TR has since left the school, sorely disappointed. ITS and Yu Ying seems to be places where families stuck around, though.

What's the IB MS and HS in Bloomingdale and will you be sending your child there.

I mean, right back atcha for charters. With the possible exception of DCI feeders, there’s no charter elementary with a clear path to MS and HS feeders.

This mistake is to send your kids to charters in elementary in hopes of a better middle school path. Your kids will be starting middle school with sub-par academics from their charter. You are better off getting a more solid education and experience at DCPS in elementary and then figuring out middle school when you get there through lottery etc. I’m not quite sure why people are discounting McFarland. The scores may reflect the population rather than academics and teaching quality of teachers. Everyone I’ve spoken to thinks well of teachers and principal.

Not a mistake at all. You don’t want be this poster:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1195044.page

Except that poster never says whether her DC is at a DCPS or a charter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 8 years, Barnard has had the same principal and has been at the same location. During that time, my reputable charter has been through 3-4 building changes, several principals, EDs and other admins. The test scores of the two schools are not that different. And much more favorable for Barnard given that they are working with a greater percent high risk population. In retrospect I’d take the stability of DCPS over my ups and downs at the charter school any day.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1110151.page

Most parents IB for Barnard disagree with you. Barnard has only 30% IB boundary participation rate.

That’s because the MS and HS are problematic so many parents move their kids out in later grades. We loved Barnard and hated to leave, but could not risk MacFarland and certainly not Roosevelt. We lotteried to a WOTP DCPS

Do as I say, not as I do?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think DCUM was very pro charter but this thread makes me think the DCPS contingent has won out.

No, DCUM is stridently pro-DCPS. I think this is because DCUM is largely WOTP, where the DCPS's are decent. But then these posters act like they are doing god's work, etc etc etc by supporting unions, blah blah blah.

Nah. There are lots of parents on here who gave DCPS schools like Payne and Garrison and shot and are happy.

This. In Bloomingdale and ended up "pleasantly surprised" (in quotes because every single other PK family said this over and over) with our DCPS school 7 years ago, whereas every family I know that lotteried into MV, CM, and TR has since left the school, sorely disappointed. ITS and Yu Ying seems to be places where families stuck around, though.

What's the IB MS and HS in Bloomingdale and will you be sending your child there.

I mean, right back atcha for charters. With the possible exception of DCI feeders, there’s no charter elementary with a clear path to MS and HS feeders.

This mistake is to send your kids to charters in elementary in hopes of a better middle school path. Your kids will be starting middle school with sub-par academics from their charter. You are better off getting a more solid education and experience at DCPS in elementary and then figuring out middle school when you get there through lottery etc. I’m not quite sure why people are discounting McFarland. The scores may reflect the population rather than academics and teaching quality of teachers. Everyone I’ve spoken to thinks well of teachers and principal.

Not a mistake at all. You don’t want be this poster:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1195044.page

Except that poster never says whether her DC is at a DCPS or a charter.

It doesn’t matter, you need to think about middle school path since early elementary school. Not thinking about it, is the real mistake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 8 years, Barnard has had the same principal and has been at the same location. During that time, my reputable charter has been through 3-4 building changes, several principals, EDs and other admins. The test scores of the two schools are not that different. And much more favorable for Barnard given that they are working with a greater percent high risk population. In retrospect I’d take the stability of DCPS over my ups and downs at the charter school any day.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1110151.page

Most parents IB for Barnard disagree with you. Barnard has only 30% IB boundary participation rate.

That’s because the MS and HS are problematic so many parents move their kids out in later grades. We loved Barnard and hated to leave, but could not risk MacFarland and certainly not Roosevelt. We lotteried to a WOTP DCPS

No, it's not. You can see where the Barnard-zoned kids are going and it's overwhelmingly not schools with feeder patterns to WOTP middle schools. The top 7 are charter schools and the top DCPS is Dorothy Height, which has the same feeder pattern as Barnard.