Teens need boots

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't kids have lockers?

Many possible reasons.
One is overcrowding at schools. Not enough space to put a locker for each student.
Also, hallways are so crowded, and time in between classes is so short, that students don't have time to stop at their lockers even if they have one-that was an issue even back when I was in school in the early 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't kids have lockers?

The passing periods are too short for students to go to lockers, so they don't use them. Also, there are no textbooks, only laptops so schools figure kids don't need lockers anyway.

That's the reasoning (I disagree with all of it)

If you ran the school, how would you change it?

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of garbage excuse for a school doesn’t have a place for kids to change out of boots?!

Troll fail.

Excuse me? Do you mean the person claiming it’s literally impossible to change into shoes at their school is a troll?

“Garbage excuse for a school” because kids can’t change boots? Where do expect them to do it, in the crowded hallway or locker area while standing up? Go away crazy lady.

Yes in the locker area while standing up. Presumably teens are in good enough shape that bending down isn’t life threatening

What locker area? Have you even been in a MS or HS this decade? There are no lockers, let alone locker areas.

I dunno. You may want to consider that some school districts may be different than yours.

My kids have 2 lockers. One in the hallway, and one in the gym lockeroom

Do your kids go to some very small private school? Most public high schools around here literally have thousands of students. There's no room in the school to give each student two lockers.

No, its a Middle school with about 800 students.

And as a different PP mentioned, they are actually required to use their lockers (not their PE ones, though). No backpacks in the classroom is the policy. So kids don't go to the locker between every class, but they probably go 3-4 times a day.

Ok, but it's not like that at all middle schools or high schools.
I'd also be surprised if there is really space and time at your kid's school for every student to stand in front of their lockers to change shoes at the end of the day and still make it out on time to catch the school bus.

This was my exact point. I was responding to the poster that said: "What locker area? Have you even been in a MS or HS this decade? There are no lockers, let alone locker areas"

And my response was exactly what you said: not all high schools or middles are the same. many have ample locker space and time between classes to get to the lockerrooms. And its not just small privates. our MS has about 800 and our HS has over 2,000 kids.

And each of those 2000+ high school kids has 2 lockers?

No, bc not every kid takes PE.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't kids have lockers?

The passing periods are too short for students to go to lockers, so they don't use them. Also, there are no textbooks, only laptops so schools figure kids don't need lockers anyway.

That's the reasoning (I disagree with all of it)

If you ran the school, how would you change it?

I would give longer passing periods so that kids would have time to go to their lockers and change their notebooks/textbooks. I would allow kids a couple minutes of time to socialize between classes, even if that led to an occasional fight. Kids need more practice interacting IRL with other people, and while sometimes it isn't pretty, it is a life skill and vital for the future of the country.

I would also drop block scheduling and go back to periods. There are many reasons why periods are better for students. Administrators prefer block scheduling because it cuts down on passing periods, which is not enough of a benefit to outweigh the negatives.

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You could give each kid 100 lockers and an hour specifically dedicated to changing shoes, and the vast majority of teenagers aren't going to wear boots.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't kids have lockers?

The passing periods are too short for students to go to lockers, so they don't use them. Also, there are no textbooks, only laptops so schools figure kids don't need lockers anyway.

That's the reasoning (I disagree with all of it)

If you ran the school, how would you change it?

I would give longer passing periods so that kids would have time to go to their lockers and change their notebooks/textbooks. I would allow kids a couple minutes of time to socialize between classes, even if that led to an occasional fight. Kids need more practice interacting IRL with other people, and while sometimes it isn't pretty, it is a life skill and vital for the future of the country.

I would also drop block scheduling and go back to periods. There are many reasons why periods are better for students. Administrators prefer block scheduling because it cuts down on passing periods, which is not enough of a benefit to outweigh the negatives.

But you couldn't, because then you wouldn't have enough instructional time. You can't make the school day longer, because of bus issues and also teachers have contracts.

So what would you do that is actually possible?

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Anonymous wrote:You could give each kid 100 lockers and an hour specifically dedicated to changing shoes, and the vast majority of teenagers aren't going to wear boots.

Exactly

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of garbage excuse for a school doesn’t have a place for kids to change out of boots?!

Troll fail.

Excuse me? Do you mean the person claiming it’s literally impossible to change into shoes at their school is a troll?

“Garbage excuse for a school” because kids can’t change boots? Where do expect them to do it, in the crowded hallway or locker area while standing up? Go away crazy lady.

Yes in the locker area while standing up. Presumably teens are in good enough shape that bending down isn’t life threatening

What locker area? Have you even been in a MS or HS this decade? There are no lockers, let alone locker areas.

I dunno. You may want to consider that some school districts may be different than yours.

My kids have 2 lockers. One in the hallway, and one in the gym lockeroom

Do your kids go to some very small private school? Most public high schools around here literally have thousands of students. There's no room in the school to give each student two lockers.

No, its a Middle school with about 800 students.

And as a different PP mentioned, they are actually required to use their lockers (not their PE ones, though). No backpacks in the classroom is the policy. So kids don't go to the locker between every class, but they probably go 3-4 times a day.

Ok, but it's not like that at all middle schools or high schools.
I'd also be surprised if there is really space and time at your kid's school for every student to stand in front of their lockers to change shoes at the end of the day and still make it out on time to catch the school bus.

Maybe class could end a bit earlier or the bus could leave a bit later? This is not some insurmountable problem, FFS.

Are you the same pp I just responded to?
Again, a principal can't just shorten class time. This is a state level mandate and not indicative of a "poorly run school."

State mandated class times are obviously an administrative box-checking exercise. The principal could work around it if they cared. There are not time auditors in every hallway. So the “official” class time is whatever the mandate is, with the expectation that there is a “grace period” of a few minutes at the beginning or end. See? Problem solved.

We need more administrators to take accountability and stop blaming the big bad state for all of their failings.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of garbage excuse for a school doesn’t have a place for kids to change out of boots?!

Troll fail.

Excuse me? Do you mean the person claiming it’s literally impossible to change into shoes at their school is a troll?

“Garbage excuse for a school” because kids can’t change boots? Where do expect them to do it, in the crowded hallway or locker area while standing up? Go away crazy lady.

Yes in the locker area while standing up. Presumably teens are in good enough shape that bending down isn’t life threatening

What locker area? Have you even been in a MS or HS this decade? There are no lockers, let alone locker areas.

I dunno. You may want to consider that some school districts may be different than yours.

My kids have 2 lockers. One in the hallway, and one in the gym lockeroom

Do your kids go to some very small private school? Most public high schools around here literally have thousands of students. There's no room in the school to give each student two lockers.

No, its a Middle school with about 800 students.

And as a different PP mentioned, they are actually required to use their lockers (not their PE ones, though). No backpacks in the classroom is the policy. So kids don't go to the locker between every class, but they probably go 3-4 times a day.

Ok, but it's not like that at all middle schools or high schools.
I'd also be surprised if there is really space and time at your kid's school for every student to stand in front of their lockers to change shoes at the end of the day and still make it out on time to catch the school bus.

This was my exact point. I was responding to the poster that said: "What locker area? Have you even been in a MS or HS this decade? There are no lockers, let alone locker areas"

And my response was exactly what you said: not all high schools or middles are the same. many have ample locker space and time between classes to get to the lockerrooms. And its not just small privates. our MS has about 800 and our HS has over 2,000 kids.

And each of those 2000+ high school kids has 2 lockers?

No, bc not every kid takes PE.

So then where are these non-PE taking kids supposed to keep the boots/extra shoes? You can't provide a place for some kids and not others. Equity.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't kids have lockers?

The passing periods are too short for students to go to lockers, so they don't use them. Also, there are no textbooks, only laptops so schools figure kids don't need lockers anyway.

That's the reasoning (I disagree with all of it)

If you ran the school, how would you change it?

I would give longer passing periods so that kids would have time to go to their lockers and change their notebooks/textbooks. I would allow kids a couple minutes of time to socialize between classes, even if that led to an occasional fight. Kids need more practice interacting IRL with other people, and while sometimes it isn't pretty, it is a life skill and vital for the future of the country.

I would also drop block scheduling and go back to periods. There are many reasons why periods are better for students. Administrators prefer block scheduling because it cuts down on passing periods, which is not enough of a benefit to outweigh the negatives.

But you couldn't, because then you wouldn't have enough instructional time. You can't make the school day longer, because of bus issues and also teachers have contracts.

So what would you do that is actually possible?

Not sure why you're arguing so much. In our school district, the high schools vary, some with block scheduling and some with periods. And the passing periods are set to be super-short in order to cut down on all possible interactions between students, not because of buses or instructional time. There is flexibility in the schedule, enough for a couple minutes here or there. Choices are made to reduce social interaction between students, and I think that is the wrong thing to do. Teens today have difficulty with IRL interactions, partly because they rarely every do it.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of garbage excuse for a school doesn’t have a place for kids to change out of boots?!

Troll fail.

Excuse me? Do you mean the person claiming it’s literally impossible to change into shoes at their school is a troll?

“Garbage excuse for a school” because kids can’t change boots? Where do expect them to do it, in the crowded hallway or locker area while standing up? Go away crazy lady.

Yes in the locker area while standing up. Presumably teens are in good enough shape that bending down isn’t life threatening

What locker area? Have you even been in a MS or HS this decade? There are no lockers, let alone locker areas.

I dunno. You may want to consider that some school districts may be different than yours.

My kids have 2 lockers. One in the hallway, and one in the gym lockeroom

Do your kids go to some very small private school? Most public high schools around here literally have thousands of students. There's no room in the school to give each student two lockers.

No, its a Middle school with about 800 students.

And as a different PP mentioned, they are actually required to use their lockers (not their PE ones, though). No backpacks in the classroom is the policy. So kids don't go to the locker between every class, but they probably go 3-4 times a day.

Ok, but it's not like that at all middle schools or high schools.
I'd also be surprised if there is really space and time at your kid's school for every student to stand in front of their lockers to change shoes at the end of the day and still make it out on time to catch the school bus.

Maybe class could end a bit earlier or the bus could leave a bit later? This is not some insurmountable problem, FFS.

And no, the bus can't just leave a bit later. It needs to go pick up the next batch of kids.

Are you seriously telling me that in 2024 the bus schedules can’t be adjusted across the board? Schools/buses are incapable of communicating with each other?

No wonder this country is going down the tubes… there appears to be no can-do, problem-solving spirit anymore. I guess this everyone-is-a-victim, no-one-has-agency attitude that has been shoved down our throats for the past couple of decades is working.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of garbage excuse for a school doesn’t have a place for kids to change out of boots?!

Troll fail.

Excuse me? Do you mean the person claiming it’s literally impossible to change into shoes at their school is a troll?

“Garbage excuse for a school” because kids can’t change boots? Where do expect them to do it, in the crowded hallway or locker area while standing up? Go away crazy lady.

Yes in the locker area while standing up. Presumably teens are in good enough shape that bending down isn’t life threatening

What locker area? Have you even been in a MS or HS this decade? There are no lockers, let alone locker areas.

I dunno. You may want to consider that some school districts may be different than yours.

My kids have 2 lockers. One in the hallway, and one in the gym lockeroom

Do your kids go to some very small private school? Most public high schools around here literally have thousands of students. There's no room in the school to give each student two lockers.

No, its a Middle school with about 800 students.

And as a different PP mentioned, they are actually required to use their lockers (not their PE ones, though). No backpacks in the classroom is the policy. So kids don't go to the locker between every class, but they probably go 3-4 times a day.

Ok, but it's not like that at all middle schools or high schools.
I'd also be surprised if there is really space and time at your kid's school for every student to stand in front of their lockers to change shoes at the end of the day and still make it out on time to catch the school bus.

Maybe class could end a bit earlier or the bus could leave a bit later? This is not some insurmountable problem, FFS.

Are you the same pp I just responded to?
Again, a principal can't just shorten class time. This is a state level mandate and not indicative of a "poorly run school."

State mandated class times are obviously an administrative box-checking exercise. The principal could work around it if they cared. There are not time auditors in every hallway. So the “official” class time is whatever the mandate is, with the expectation that there is a “grace period” of a few minutes at the beginning or end. See? Problem solved.

We need more administrators to take accountability and stop blaming the big bad state for all of their failings.

You don't need auditors. You just need one person to decide they don't like that (it could be a teacher, a parent, or just some busy-body community member that likes to stir up trouble) and now the whole school is in jeopardy of having accreditation revoked.
So again, what are you going to do that is actually possible?

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of garbage excuse for a school doesn’t have a place for kids to change out of boots?!

Troll fail.

Excuse me? Do you mean the person claiming it’s literally impossible to change into shoes at their school is a troll?

“Garbage excuse for a school” because kids can’t change boots? Where do expect them to do it, in the crowded hallway or locker area while standing up? Go away crazy lady.

Yes in the locker area while standing up. Presumably teens are in good enough shape that bending down isn’t life threatening

What locker area? Have you even been in a MS or HS this decade? There are no lockers, let alone locker areas.

I dunno. You may want to consider that some school districts may be different than yours.

My kids have 2 lockers. One in the hallway, and one in the gym lockeroom

Do your kids go to some very small private school? Most public high schools around here literally have thousands of students. There's no room in the school to give each student two lockers.

No, its a Middle school with about 800 students.

And as a different PP mentioned, they are actually required to use their lockers (not their PE ones, though). No backpacks in the classroom is the policy. So kids don't go to the locker between every class, but they probably go 3-4 times a day.

Ok, but it's not like that at all middle schools or high schools.
I'd also be surprised if there is really space and time at your kid's school for every student to stand in front of their lockers to change shoes at the end of the day and still make it out on time to catch the school bus.

Maybe class could end a bit earlier or the bus could leave a bit later? This is not some insurmountable problem, FFS.

And no, the bus can't just leave a bit later. It needs to go pick up the next batch of kids.

Are you seriously telling me that in 2024 the bus schedules can’t be adjusted across the board? Schools/buses are incapable of communicating with each other?

No wonder this country is going down the tubes… there appears to be no can-do, problem-solving spirit anymore. I guess this everyone-is-a-victim, no-one-has-agency attitude that has been shoved down our throats for the past couple of decades is working.

I am telling you that it's not about "communicating with each other." It's about contracts and people getting paid for the time they work.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of garbage excuse for a school doesn’t have a place for kids to change out of boots?!

Troll fail.

Excuse me? Do you mean the person claiming it’s literally impossible to change into shoes at their school is a troll?

“Garbage excuse for a school” because kids can’t change boots? Where do expect them to do it, in the crowded hallway or locker area while standing up? Go away crazy lady.

Yes in the locker area while standing up. Presumably teens are in good enough shape that bending down isn’t life threatening

What locker area? Have you even been in a MS or HS this decade? There are no lockers, let alone locker areas.

I dunno. You may want to consider that some school districts may be different than yours.

My kids have 2 lockers. One in the hallway, and one in the gym lockeroom

Do your kids go to some very small private school? Most public high schools around here literally have thousands of students. There's no room in the school to give each student two lockers.

No, its a Middle school with about 800 students.

And as a different PP mentioned, they are actually required to use their lockers (not their PE ones, though). No backpacks in the classroom is the policy. So kids don't go to the locker between every class, but they probably go 3-4 times a day.

Ok, but it's not like that at all middle schools or high schools.
I'd also be surprised if there is really space and time at your kid's school for every student to stand in front of their lockers to change shoes at the end of the day and still make it out on time to catch the school bus.

Maybe class could end a bit earlier or the bus could leave a bit later? This is not some insurmountable problem, FFS.

Are you the same pp I just responded to?
Again, a principal can't just shorten class time. This is a state level mandate and not indicative of a "poorly run school."

State mandated class times are obviously an administrative box-checking exercise. The principal could work around it if they cared. There are not time auditors in every hallway. So the “official” class time is whatever the mandate is, with the expectation that there is a “grace period” of a few minutes at the beginning or end. See? Problem solved.

We need more administrators to take accountability and stop blaming the big bad state for all of their failings.

You don't need auditors. You just need one person to decide they don't like that (it could be a teacher, a parent, or just some busy-body community member that likes to stir up trouble) and now the whole school is in jeopardy of having accreditation revoked.
So again, what are you going to do that is actually possible?

So now we shouldn’t try anything for fear that maybe someone might complain (even though that’s unlikely)? I cannot roll my eyes hard enough at people like you. I assume you’re crying about the prospect of another Trump presidency right now, too.

Oh well, enjoy your victimhood I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of garbage excuse for a school doesn’t have a place for kids to change out of boots?!

Troll fail.

Excuse me? Do you mean the person claiming it’s literally impossible to change into shoes at their school is a troll?

“Garbage excuse for a school” because kids can’t change boots? Where do expect them to do it, in the crowded hallway or locker area while standing up? Go away crazy lady.

Yes in the locker area while standing up. Presumably teens are in good enough shape that bending down isn’t life threatening

What locker area? Have you even been in a MS or HS this decade? There are no lockers, let alone locker areas.

I dunno. You may want to consider that some school districts may be different than yours.

My kids have 2 lockers. One in the hallway, and one in the gym lockeroom

Do your kids go to some very small private school? Most public high schools around here literally have thousands of students. There's no room in the school to give each student two lockers.

No, its a Middle school with about 800 students.

And as a different PP mentioned, they are actually required to use their lockers (not their PE ones, though). No backpacks in the classroom is the policy. So kids don't go to the locker between every class, but they probably go 3-4 times a day.

Ok, but it's not like that at all middle schools or high schools.
I'd also be surprised if there is really space and time at your kid's school for every student to stand in front of their lockers to change shoes at the end of the day and still make it out on time to catch the school bus.

Maybe class could end a bit earlier or the bus could leave a bit later? This is not some insurmountable problem, FFS.

And no, the bus can't just leave a bit later. It needs to go pick up the next batch of kids.

Are you seriously telling me that in 2024 the bus schedules can’t be adjusted across the board? Schools/buses are incapable of communicating with each other?

No wonder this country is going down the tubes… there appears to be no can-do, problem-solving spirit anymore. I guess this everyone-is-a-victim, no-one-has-agency attitude that has been shoved down our throats for the past couple of decades is working.

I am telling you that it's not about "communicating with each other." It's about contracts and people getting paid for the time they work.

Yes I forgot that contracts can never be revised. Silly me.