It gets harder and harder to return to the U.S. after every trip.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

I agree with you on healthcare, college, infrastructure and gun safety…the prices doesn’t really make sense. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia are what you are referring? I guess prices are low and while it’s not national healthcare…out of pocket and insurance is very low.

Europe, clearly you pay through the nose for gas, groceries, booze, etc…but that does fund the other social benefits.

Even in Japan, dining out is cheap for the Japanese earning Japanese yen. We literally stayed at our friend’s house there and talked about it. Yes, sure, you can spend a lot on elite dining in Tokyo, but there are soooooooooo many cheap to middle level options fir dining that are out of this world and way more affordable even by Japanese standards. And no tipping. The food quality at the grocery stores in all of those countries is superior, which is inexcusable given that the U.S. has vastly more room to grow food than an island nation like Japan. The quality of fruits in Thailand blows anything out of the water in the U.S., and you can buy like 2 kg of oranges for about $3, which is cheap even by Thai standards.


We also needed an ER visit in Thailand for a broken wrist. The wait time was less than 30 minutes. X-rays, cast, medication and a follow up visit: grand total of $314. And that was completely out of pocket with zero insurance. So, soooooo much better than getting bankrupted for HC in the US even when you have insurance.

Yes, but you are mixing and matching. I get that Thailand is cheap, but the infrastructure is not the same as SK, Japan or Singapore.

I have no idea on out of pocket healthcare in SK or Japan or Singapore. Is it cheap?

You have to admit though that people are fundamentally unhappy about something in the Asian systems when it comes to children. Birthrates are nonexistent and women are always complaining about the inequality they face.

The fertility rate gap vanishes if you adjust for bastard rate for the most part

Having kids out of wedlock is very taboo in Asia

American tfr is 1.6/1.7 but if it had Asian levels of illegitimacy, it would crash down to 1.2/1.3 - similar to Japan

Ok, except you are claiming that life is so great in Asian countries. If that was the case, wouldn’t their birth rates be much higher?

It’s fine as a visitor, but actually being a native is much different. Wages are so low in Japan that a medical professional in Japan can make more as a waitress/waiter in Australia.

Life is so stressful in SK that parents are suing the proctor of an 11th grade exam for ending an 8 hour test 1 minute early. That test basically determines your life and kids starting in 8th grade go to normal school followed by 8 hours of cram school.

I mean the moral of your story is get rich in the US and then move. I get it.

My spouse is a dual citizen, and we are thinking exactly this.

Please leave sooner rather than later and absolutely renounce your US citizenship for yourself and your children. This way you can't come running back to to US safety when whatever county you move to is invaded by Russia.

eh.. Russia compromised a POTUS (Trump) and many of our country's leaders (Graham).

But, I guess you agree that Russia is trying to invade other countries, and Putin is a dictator. Makes you wonder why Trump likes Putin so much.

Oh, and I don't have to renounce my citizenship. There's this great thing called "dual citizenship". My kids also have dual citizenship.

Do you really think your kids having shooter drills and lockdowns is a normal part of childhood? I guess it is now in the US. Sad that we've normalized this.

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Anonymous wrote:. I dunno even know if the country can even survive another Trump presidency before he starts WW3 with Iran and North Korea.

Joe seems to be far more effective at starting WW3, given the wars aging right now that weren’t occurring when Trump was in office. That guy sucked at starting wars. Bigly.

Let's see;

1 Who invaded Ukraine. Putin not Biden.
2.who attacked Israel on Oct. 7.. Humas not Biden.

Which wars did Biden start,? Put up or shut up.

Biden doesn’t have Trumps genius for keeping the world under control. But then again Trump is the only President in the 22nd century smart enough. All the rest were stupid. The swamp is even stupider

Putin didn't need to invade Ukraine when Trump was POTUS because he knew Trump would never support NATO, so Putin never felt threatened during POTUS. It had zero to do with Putin being afraid of Trump; rather, Trump was Putin's blltch

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Anonymous wrote:You sound like a candidate for surrendering your citizenship.

+1
Do it, OP! You (and we) will be so much better off.

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Anonymous wrote:What country was so magical that it prompted you to post? Truly curious.

Japan. South Korea. Thailand. Singapore.

Zero tipping. Cheap healthcare. Zero gun deaths on the news in Singapore, South Korea, and Japan. Amazing quality food in all of them. Public infrastructure that’s about 80 years more advanced than the U.S. in SK, Singapore, and Japan.

Also amazing border control in those countries. Funny that you don't mention that.
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I just reported this asking why it is in Political. It should be in Off Topic,!

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

I agree with you on healthcare, college, infrastructure and gun safety…the prices doesn’t really make sense. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia are what you are referring? I guess prices are low and while it’s not national healthcare…out of pocket and insurance is very low.

Europe, clearly you pay through the nose for gas, groceries, booze, etc…but that does fund the other social benefits.

Even in Japan, dining out is cheap for the Japanese earning Japanese yen. We literally stayed at our friend’s house there and talked about it. Yes, sure, you can spend a lot on elite dining in Tokyo, but there are soooooooooo many cheap to middle level options fir dining that are out of this world and way more affordable even by Japanese standards. And no tipping. The food quality at the grocery stores in all of those countries is superior, which is inexcusable given that the U.S. has vastly more room to grow food than an island nation like Japan. The quality of fruits in Thailand blows anything out of the water in the U.S., and you can buy like 2 kg of oranges for about $3, which is cheap even by Thai standards.


We also needed an ER visit in Thailand for a broken wrist. The wait time was less than 30 minutes. X-rays, cast, medication and a follow up visit: grand total of $314. And that was completely out of pocket with zero insurance. So, soooooo much better than getting bankrupted for HC in the US even when you have insurance.

Yes, but you are mixing and matching. I get that Thailand is cheap, but the infrastructure is not the same as SK, Japan or Singapore.

I have no idea on out of pocket healthcare in SK or Japan or Singapore. Is it cheap?

You have to admit though that people are fundamentally unhappy about something in the Asian systems when it comes to children. Birthrates are nonexistent and women are always complaining about the inequality they face.

The fertility rate gap vanishes if you adjust for bastard rate for the most part

Having kids out of wedlock is very taboo in Asia

American tfr is 1.6/1.7 but if it had Asian levels of illegitimacy, it would crash down to 1.2/1.3 - similar to Japan

Ok, except you are claiming that life is so great in Asian countries. If that was the case, wouldn’t their birth rates be much higher?

It’s fine as a visitor, but actually being a native is much different. Wages are so low in Japan that a medical professional in Japan can make more as a waitress/waiter in Australia.

Life is so stressful in SK that parents are suing the proctor of an 11th grade exam for ending an 8 hour test 1 minute early. That test basically determines your life and kids starting in 8th grade go to normal school followed by 8 hours of cram school.

I mean the moral of your story is get rich in the US and then move. I get it.

My spouse is a dual citizen, and we are thinking exactly this.

Please leave sooner rather than later and absolutely renounce your US citizenship for yourself and your children. This way you can't come running back to to US safety when whatever county you move to is invaded by Russia.

eh.. Russia compromised a POTUS (Trump) and many of our country's leaders (Graham).

But, I guess you agree that Russia is trying to invade other countries, and Putin is a dictator. Makes you wonder why Trump likes Putin so much.

Oh, and I don't have to renounce my citizenship. There's this great thing called "dual citizenship". My kids also have dual citizenship.

Do you really think your kids having shooter drills and lockdowns is a normal part of childhood? I guess it is now in the US. Sad that we've normalized this.

This. We are a disgusting country. It's really hard to come to terms with the fact that so many of your fellow citizens are such horrific monsters who care more about their guns than children.

American is in decline. We can elect Biden again and escape the chaos Trump will bring, but we're really just putting off the inevitable at this point. The best you can hope for is that you live in a little pocket of the country you like.

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America is absolutely 20000% on the decline. To suggest otherwise is either denial or stupidity.

Our healthcare sucks. There's quite a bit of stuff we suck in v the rest of the world. To deny that is ignorance.

That said, we got a lot of good stuff going on for sure. Also, it's hard to find a place on the world with everything great - there's pros and cons in every country and culture. So it comes down to whatever priorities you seek that defines your best place to live.

Mostly I agree with OP but I also realize that there's a lot to still be grateful for in the US. I think that mostly, there's a lot of decline happening and it's sometimes hard to realize the good stuff. I believe however that the same can be said for a lot of other countries too.

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Returned from Japan and Singapore and had the worst culture shock of my life.

American food is disgusting, period. Not the food you guys cook in your homes. The food you get outside your home must be the worst on the planet, sad thing is people who haven’t traveled don’t know that.

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I'm with the poster up thread who said they would rather be here and work on solving our problems. I have lived outside the US and I do not want to live anywhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

I agree with you on healthcare, college, infrastructure and gun safety…the prices doesn’t really make sense. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia are what you are referring? I guess prices are low and while it’s not national healthcare…out of pocket and insurance is very low.

Europe, clearly you pay through the nose for gas, groceries, booze, etc…but that does fund the other social benefits.

Even in Japan, dining out is cheap for the Japanese earning Japanese yen. We literally stayed at our friend’s house there and talked about it. Yes, sure, you can spend a lot on elite dining in Tokyo, but there are soooooooooo many cheap to middle level options fir dining that are out of this world and way more affordable even by Japanese standards. And no tipping. The food quality at the grocery stores in all of those countries is superior, which is inexcusable given that the U.S. has vastly more room to grow food than an island nation like Japan. The quality of fruits in Thailand blows anything out of the water in the U.S., and you can buy like 2 kg of oranges for about $3, which is cheap even by Thai standards.


We also needed an ER visit in Thailand for a broken wrist. The wait time was less than 30 minutes. X-rays, cast, medication and a follow up visit: grand total of $314. And that was completely out of pocket with zero insurance. So, soooooo much better than getting bankrupted for HC in the US even when you have insurance.

Yes, but you are mixing and matching. I get that Thailand is cheap, but the infrastructure is not the same as SK, Japan or Singapore.

I have no idea on out of pocket healthcare in SK or Japan or Singapore. Is it cheap?

You have to admit though that people are fundamentally unhappy about something in the Asian systems when it comes to children. Birthrates are nonexistent and women are always complaining about the inequality they face.

The fertility rate gap vanishes if you adjust for bastard rate for the most part

Having kids out of wedlock is very taboo in Asia

American tfr is 1.6/1.7 but if it had Asian levels of illegitimacy, it would crash down to 1.2/1.3 - similar to Japan

Ok, except you are claiming that life is so great in Asian countries. If that was the case, wouldn’t their birth rates be much higher?

It’s fine as a visitor, but actually being a native is much different. Wages are so low in Japan that a medical professional in Japan can make more as a waitress/waiter in Australia.

Life is so stressful in SK that parents are suing the proctor of an 11th grade exam for ending an 8 hour test 1 minute early. That test basically determines your life and kids starting in 8th grade go to normal school followed by 8 hours of cram school.

I mean the moral of your story is get rich in the US and then move. I get it.

My spouse is a dual citizen, and we are thinking exactly this.

Please leave sooner rather than later and absolutely renounce your US citizenship for yourself and your children. This way you can't come running back to to US safety when whatever county you move to is invaded by Russia.

eh.. Russia compromised a POTUS (Trump) and many of our country's leaders (Graham).

But, I guess you agree that Russia is trying to invade other countries, and Putin is a dictator. Makes you wonder why Trump likes Putin so much.

Oh, and I don't have to renounce my citizenship. There's this great thing called "dual citizenship". My kids also have dual citizenship.

Do you really think your kids having shooter drills and lockdowns is a normal part of childhood? I guess it is now in the US. Sad that we've normalized this.

This. We are a disgusting country. It's really hard to come to terms with the fact that so many of your fellow citizens are such horrific monsters who care more about their guns than children.

American is in decline. We can elect Biden again and escape the chaos Trump will bring, but we're really just putting off the inevitable at this point. The best you can hope for is that you live in a little pocket of the country you like.

The hysteria is getting tiresome.

By most objective measures, we’re better off than any people who’ve ever lived in the entire history of humanity.

Our biggest problem is people who are too myopic to recognize this fact.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

I agree with you on healthcare, college, infrastructure and gun safety…the prices doesn’t really make sense. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia are what you are referring? I guess prices are low and while it’s not national healthcare…out of pocket and insurance is very low.

Europe, clearly you pay through the nose for gas, groceries, booze, etc…but that does fund the other social benefits.

Even in Japan, dining out is cheap for the Japanese earning Japanese yen. We literally stayed at our friend’s house there and talked about it. Yes, sure, you can spend a lot on elite dining in Tokyo, but there are soooooooooo many cheap to middle level options fir dining that are out of this world and way more affordable even by Japanese standards. And no tipping. The food quality at the grocery stores in all of those countries is superior, which is inexcusable given that the U.S. has vastly more room to grow food than an island nation like Japan. The quality of fruits in Thailand blows anything out of the water in the U.S., and you can buy like 2 kg of oranges for about $3, which is cheap even by Thai standards.


We also needed an ER visit in Thailand for a broken wrist. The wait time was less than 30 minutes. X-rays, cast, medication and a follow up visit: grand total of $314. And that was completely out of pocket with zero insurance. So, soooooo much better than getting bankrupted for HC in the US even when you have insurance.

Yes, but you are mixing and matching. I get that Thailand is cheap, but the infrastructure is not the same as SK, Japan or Singapore.

I have no idea on out of pocket healthcare in SK or Japan or Singapore. Is it cheap?

You have to admit though that people are fundamentally unhappy about something in the Asian systems when it comes to children. Birthrates are nonexistent and women are always complaining about the inequality they face.

The fertility rate gap vanishes if you adjust for bastard rate for the most part

Having kids out of wedlock is very taboo in Asia

American tfr is 1.6/1.7 but if it had Asian levels of illegitimacy, it would crash down to 1.2/1.3 - similar to Japan

Ok, except you are claiming that life is so great in Asian countries. If that was the case, wouldn’t their birth rates be much higher?

It’s fine as a visitor, but actually being a native is much different. Wages are so low in Japan that a medical professional in Japan can make more as a waitress/waiter in Australia.

Life is so stressful in SK that parents are suing the proctor of an 11th grade exam for ending an 8 hour test 1 minute early. That test basically determines your life and kids starting in 8th grade go to normal school followed by 8 hours of cram school.

I mean the moral of your story is get rich in the US and then move. I get it.

My spouse is a dual citizen, and we are thinking exactly this.

Please leave sooner rather than later and absolutely renounce your US citizenship for yourself and your children. This way you can't come running back to to US safety when whatever county you move to is invaded by Russia.

eh.. Russia compromised a POTUS (Trump) and many of our country's leaders (Graham).

But, I guess you agree that Russia is trying to invade other countries, and Putin is a dictator. Makes you wonder why Trump likes Putin so much.

Oh, and I don't have to renounce my citizenship. There's this great thing called "dual citizenship". My kids also have dual citizenship.

Do you really think your kids having shooter drills and lockdowns is a normal part of childhood? I guess it is now in the US. Sad that we've normalized this.

This. We are a disgusting country. It's really hard to come to terms with the fact that so many of your fellow citizens are such horrific monsters who care more about their guns than children.

American is in decline. We can elect Biden again and escape the chaos Trump will bring, but we're really just putting off the inevitable at this point. The best you can hope for is that you live in a little pocket of the country you like.

The hysteria is getting tiresome.

By most objective measures, we’re better off than any people who’ve ever lived in the entire history of humanity.

Our biggest problem is people who are too myopic to recognize this fact.

LOL, right? I suspect the complainers are immigrants who are homesick for their country/culture of origin. Seriously, if they think it's that bad, they ought to move to wherever they're happiest.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

I agree with you on healthcare, college, infrastructure and gun safety…the prices doesn’t really make sense. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia are what you are referring? I guess prices are low and while it’s not national healthcare…out of pocket and insurance is very low.

Europe, clearly you pay through the nose for gas, groceries, booze, etc…but that does fund the other social benefits.

Even in Japan, dining out is cheap for the Japanese earning Japanese yen. We literally stayed at our friend’s house there and talked about it. Yes, sure, you can spend a lot on elite dining in Tokyo, but there are soooooooooo many cheap to middle level options fir dining that are out of this world and way more affordable even by Japanese standards. And no tipping. The food quality at the grocery stores in all of those countries is superior, which is inexcusable given that the U.S. has vastly more room to grow food than an island nation like Japan. The quality of fruits in Thailand blows anything out of the water in the U.S., and you can buy like 2 kg of oranges for about $3, which is cheap even by Thai standards.


We also needed an ER visit in Thailand for a broken wrist. The wait time was less than 30 minutes. X-rays, cast, medication and a follow up visit: grand total of $314. And that was completely out of pocket with zero insurance. So, soooooo much better than getting bankrupted for HC in the US even when you have insurance.

Yes, but you are mixing and matching. I get that Thailand is cheap, but the infrastructure is not the same as SK, Japan or Singapore.

I have no idea on out of pocket healthcare in SK or Japan or Singapore. Is it cheap?

You have to admit though that people are fundamentally unhappy about something in the Asian systems when it comes to children. Birthrates are nonexistent and women are always complaining about the inequality they face.

The fertility rate gap vanishes if you adjust for bastard rate for the most part

Having kids out of wedlock is very taboo in Asia

American tfr is 1.6/1.7 but if it had Asian levels of illegitimacy, it would crash down to 1.2/1.3 - similar to Japan

Ok, except you are claiming that life is so great in Asian countries. If that was the case, wouldn’t their birth rates be much higher?

It’s fine as a visitor, but actually being a native is much different. Wages are so low in Japan that a medical professional in Japan can make more as a waitress/waiter in Australia.

Life is so stressful in SK that parents are suing the proctor of an 11th grade exam for ending an 8 hour test 1 minute early. That test basically determines your life and kids starting in 8th grade go to normal school followed by 8 hours of cram school.

I mean the moral of your story is get rich in the US and then move. I get it.

My spouse is a dual citizen, and we are thinking exactly this.

Please leave sooner rather than later and absolutely renounce your US citizenship for yourself and your children. This way you can't come running back to to US safety when whatever county you move to is invaded by Russia.

eh.. Russia compromised a POTUS (Trump) and many of our country's leaders (Graham).

But, I guess you agree that Russia is trying to invade other countries, and Putin is a dictator. Makes you wonder why Trump likes Putin so much.

Oh, and I don't have to renounce my citizenship. There's this great thing called "dual citizenship". My kids also have dual citizenship.

Do you really think your kids having shooter drills and lockdowns is a normal part of childhood? I guess it is now in the US. Sad that we've normalized this.

This. We are a disgusting country. It's really hard to come to terms with the fact that so many of your fellow citizens are such horrific monsters who care more about their guns than children.

American is in decline. We can elect Biden again and escape the chaos Trump will bring, but we're really just putting off the inevitable at this point. The best you can hope for is that you live in a little pocket of the country you like.

The hysteria is getting tiresome.

By most objective measures, we’re better off than any people who’ve ever lived in the entire history of humanity.

Our biggest problem is people who are too myopic to recognize this fact.

Myopia is tolerating 20 6 year olds being shot up in grade school and doing nothing about it. Myopia is tolerating hundreds of people being shot in Las Vegas who were simply attending a concert and doing nothing about it. Myopia tolerating thousands of gun deaths per year while other developed countries have almost zero to a handful at most.

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Important to note that when you vacation, you typically stay in nice, commutable areas, not rural, not sketchy, not the burbs. Of course everything seems better. I agree on some points, but if I could afford to live in walkable areas of a major city (I can't including DC), life would be grand regardless. Yes, healthcare is better but it could depend on what you need. Minor treatment? Great. Major oncology care to save your life? You still might be limited depending on the country.

Agree on the food quality front. Also do not currently believe the US is sufficiently safety checking cheap products coming from China on websites like alibaba, Temu, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Returned from Japan and Singapore and had the worst culture shock of my life.

American food is disgusting, period. Not the food you guys cook in your homes. The food you get outside your home must be the worst on the planet, sad thing is people who haven’t traveled don’t know that.

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Anonymous wrote:Sort of relate. When I was standing in US Customs return from 2 weeks in France, they announced rolling back Roe v Wade. I totally wanted to get back on the plane and go back to France. The mass shootings crime has made me numb to crime. As for prices, meh.

There are abortion restrictions in France.... most of you probably don't realize all EU countries have various degrees of abortion restrictions. Roe v Wade ruling gave the US just about the least strigent abortion laws in the developed world.