It gets harder and harder to return to the U.S. after every trip.

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Anonymous wrote:What country was so magical that it prompted you to post? Truly curious.

Japan. South Korea. Thailand. Singapore.

Zero tipping. Cheap healthcare. Zero gun deaths on the news in Singapore, South Korea, and Japan. Amazing quality food in all of them. Public infrastructure that’s about 80 years more advanced than the U.S. in SK, Singapore, and Japan.

Very interesting

I am not op but I also started a post in “off topic” last week asking why Asian urbanism is so much better than American urbanism

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1178237.page

I agree with you that a lot of what the OP is complaining about is attributed to rural / urban divide. In rural areas, things are still relatively affordable, Tide isn’t locked up at CVS, people often leave their doors unlocked, and youths aren’t carjacking or robbing the Canada Goose off your back at gunpoint. However health care and gun violence remain issues.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

I agree with you on healthcare, college, infrastructure and gun safety…the prices doesn’t really make sense. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia are what you are referring? I guess prices are low and while it’s not national healthcare…out of pocket and insurance is very low.

Europe, clearly you pay through the nose for gas, groceries, booze, etc…but that does fund the other social benefits.

Even in Japan, dining out is cheap for the Japanese earning Japanese yen. We literally stayed at our friend’s house there and talked about it. Yes, sure, you can spend a lot on elite dining in Tokyo, but there are soooooooooo many cheap to middle level options fir dining that are out of this world and way more affordable even by Japanese standards. And no tipping. The food quality at the grocery stores in all of those countries is superior, which is inexcusable given that the U.S. has vastly more room to grow food than an island nation like Japan. The quality of fruits in Thailand blows anything out of the water in the U.S., and you can buy like 2 kg of oranges for about $3, which is cheap even by Thai standards.


We also needed an ER visit in Thailand for a broken wrist. The wait time was less than 30 minutes. X-rays, cast, medication and a follow up visit: grand total of $314. And that was completely out of pocket with zero insurance. So, soooooo much better than getting bankrupted for HC in the US even when you have insurance.

Yes, but you are mixing and matching. I get that Thailand is cheap, but the infrastructure is not the same as SK, Japan or Singapore.

I have no idea on out of pocket healthcare in SK or Japan or Singapore. Is it cheap?

You have to admit though that people are fundamentally unhappy about something in the Asian systems when it comes to children. Birthrates are nonexistent and women are always complaining about the inequality they face.

The fertility rate gap vanishes if you adjust for bastard rate for the most part

Having kids out of wedlock is very taboo in Asia

American tfr is 1.6/1.7 but if it had Asian levels of illegitimacy, it would crash down to 1.2/1.3 - similar to Japan

Also, the birth rate for multigenerational citizens in the U.S. is very low too. The only thing that props up the U.S. birth rates are the constant influx of newer immigrants who tend to have way more kids.

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Anonymous wrote:What country was so magical that it prompted you to post? Truly curious.

Japan. South Korea. Thailand. Singapore.

Zero tipping. Cheap healthcare. Zero gun deaths on the news in Singapore, South Korea, and Japan. Amazing quality food in all of them. Public infrastructure that’s about 80 years more advanced than the U.S. in SK, Singapore, and Japan.

Is this OP? You have the money to travel to all those places on the same trip, or even on successive trips, and you’re whining about the cost of things?

Do you even have a point? Having money to go to all of those places doesn’t mean you still cannot complain about being ripped off in the U.S. It’s the basic principle that’s the problem. In the U.S. you spend $30-40 now buying fast food like chipotle while comparatively in a country like Thailand you could eat far better food, multiple dishes, all with out of this world flavor at a small eatery for $7-10. Even for Thai people making Thai Baht eating out, for example, is just so much more affordable. It’s so affordable many homes and apartments barely have a kitchen. And no to minor amounts of tipping.

[Anonymous]

If you were electing your leaders, they would be trying to please you, and do things for you, out of fear that if they did not, someone else would.

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Im not East Asian but I’d love to see the us specifically open up more immigration from korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore

The us really would be better off if it was 30% East Asian

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Anonymous wrote:Im not East Asian but I’d love to see the us specifically open up more immigration from korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore

The us really would be better off if it was 30% East Asian

But would they really want to come here at this point?

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Anonymous wrote:Im not East Asian but I’d love to see the us specifically open up more immigration from korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore

The us really would be better off if it was 30% East Asian

Why would they come here though to send their kids to inferior schools, expose their families to more gun violence and crime, and live with crappier healthcare and infrastructure?

Makes no sense moving from a 1st tier country to a middle of the pack 2nd tier country.

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Anonymous wrote:What country was so magical that it prompted you to post? Truly curious.

Japan. South Korea. Thailand. Singapore.

Zero tipping. Cheap healthcare. Zero gun deaths on the news in Singapore, South Korea, and Japan. Amazing quality food in all of them. Public infrastructure that’s about 80 years more advanced than the U.S. in SK, Singapore, and Japan.

Is this OP? You have the money to travel to all those places on the same trip, or even on successive trips, and you’re whining about the cost of things?

Do you even have a point? Having money to go to all of those places doesn’t mean you still cannot complain about being ripped off in the U.S. It’s the basic principle that’s the problem. In the U.S. you spend $30-40 now buying fast food like chipotle while comparatively in a country like Thailand you could eat far better food, multiple dishes, all with out of this world flavor at a small eatery for $7-10. Even for Thai people making Thai Baht eating out, for example, is just so much more affordable. It’s so affordable many homes and apartments barely have a kitchen. And no to minor amounts of tipping.

DP. The point is that you have both money and the ability to spend it on whatever you want.

And you don't even realize what that means.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

There's a train, bus, plane and boat that leaves every single day to another country, take one and never come back. No one will miss you

DP... I'd rather stay here and fix this country - and the only way to do it is to vote out every last regressive puke that you support.

That's because you understand more about this country and other countries than OP does. And because you are a good American.

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Anonymous wrote:What country was so magical that it prompted you to post? Truly curious.

Japan. South Korea. Thailand. Singapore.

Zero tipping. Cheap healthcare. Zero gun deaths on the news in Singapore, South Korea, and Japan. Amazing quality food in all of them. Public infrastructure that’s about 80 years more advanced than the U.S. in SK, Singapore, and Japan.

Those countries have high trust societies. We don’t have that in the US. We used to, but we don’t anymore.

When America was great.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, you know, you could always emigrate if it's that hard.

Yup, seriously thinking about it. Gun violence is way out of control and will never end. Driving everywhere sucks. Food sucks. Tipping culture sucks. Healthcare costs suck. Childcare costs suck. I dunno even know if the country can even survive another Trump presidency before he starts WW3 with Iran and North Korea.

Fine, then why waste any more time? Sounds like your mind is made up, so go someplace else.

Did you post this thread in hopes of hearing a chorus of people chiming in all begging you to stay? “Oh please, please, OP, don’t go! We need you here! Please don’t move away!”

You won’t be missed. So get moving.

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Anonymous wrote:What country was so magical that it prompted you to post? Truly curious.

Japan. South Korea. Thailand. Singapore.

Zero tipping. Cheap healthcare. Zero gun deaths on the news in Singapore, South Korea, and Japan. Amazing quality food in all of them. Public infrastructure that’s about 80 years more advanced than the U.S. in SK, Singapore, and Japan.

Those countries have high trust societies. We don’t have that in the US. We used to, but we don’t anymore.

When America was great.

I want America to be great. Again.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

There's a train, bus, plane and boat that leaves every single day to another country, take one and never come back. No one will miss you

DP... I'd rather stay here and fix this country - and the only way to do it is to vote out every last regressive puke that you support.

That's because you understand more about this country and other countries than OP does. And because you are a good American.

Keep sticking your head in the sand.

Typical dumb American hubris. Meanwhile our govt blows trillions on useless wars and let's special interests like insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and hospital systems pulverize Americans with healthcare costs.

You're brain just isn't capable of processing the fact that everything about the US is so mediocre to subpar to terrible. You'll never be able to comprehend what it is like to live in a country where you go weeks without a gun related murder in the news. Or what it is like to not have to waste inordinate amounts of time and money on a car.

You're too far brainwashed into corporate run USA to realize how much it sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:. I dunno even know if the country can even survive another Trump presidency before he starts WW3 with Iran and North Korea.

Joe seems to be far more effective at starting WW3, given the wars aging right now that weren’t occurring when Trump was in office. That guy sucked at starting wars. Bigly.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

There's a train, bus, plane and boat that leaves every single day to another country, take one and never come back. No one will miss you

DP... I'd rather stay here and fix this country - and the only way to do it is to vote out every last regressive puke that you support.

That's because you understand more about this country and other countries than OP does. And because you are a good American.

Keep sticking your head in the sand.

Typical dumb American hubris. Meanwhile our govt blows trillions on useless wars and let's special interests like insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and hospital systems pulverize Americans with healthcare costs.

You're brain just isn't capable of processing the fact that everything about the US is so mediocre to subpar to terrible. You'll never be able to comprehend what it is like to live in a country where you go weeks without a gun related murder in the news. Or what it is like to not have to waste inordinate amounts of time and money on a car.

You're too far brainwashed into corporate run USA to realize how much it sucks.

Then why are you still here?

No one’s stopping you from leaving. No one. You don’t even need to ask for permission to leave. You can just GO. Just like that.


Why haven’t you?