Ward 3 Crime Meeting w/CM Frumin, USAO Graves and AG Schwab 1/17 6pm Cleveland Park library

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Anonymous wrote:I will preface this by saying I am a former prosecutor. Even if we increase law enforcement, what do we about a generation of teens and young adults who feel like they have nothing to lose? Until we address that issue, nothing will change. We can jail all of the people who commit crimes in DC but there is another batch coming right behind them that are poor, uneducated or undereducated, have no life skills, received limited parenting and can’t get a job that will allow them to live in a SAFE neighborhood with adequate resources (food, transportation, clothing, etc.). If even educated people making $60/70k are barely making it in DC and these people don’t make even a fraction of that and know that there is literally no way out of the poverty cycle they are in unless they become an athlete, what do we do? They literally have nothing to lose.

Jail or the hug a thug programs provide food and shelter. On the street, they have neither. Having gone out into the community to meet with crime victims, I can say I’ve seen so many hopeless people in living situations that make jail seem like the Four Seasons (infested with roaches and rodents, overcrowded with unemployed and unemployable people,
etc.). Truly depressing situations that made me so grateful for my life. I don’t have the answer to this question but would be curious about your responses.

These are not new issues. They were debated when Lyndon Johnson was president. We don't have to solve all the world's problems or end poverty before we're allowed to prosecute murderers.

You are responding to me. Then
you will continue to have murderers. 🤷🏻‍♀️

You know what is a proven way to reduce murders?

Put them in jail. Turns out it’s a lot harder to murder people when you’re locked up.

That in turn has an outsized impact on crime rates because most violent crimes are committed by a small number of recidivists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will preface this by saying I am a former prosecutor. Even if we increase law enforcement, what do we about a generation of teens and young adults who feel like they have nothing to lose? Until we address that issue, nothing will change. We can jail all of the people who commit crimes in DC but there is another batch coming right behind them that are poor, uneducated or undereducated, have no life skills, received limited parenting and can’t get a job that will allow them to live in a SAFE neighborhood with adequate resources (food, transportation, clothing, etc.). If even educated people making $60/70k are barely making it in DC and these people don’t make even a fraction of that and know that there is literally no way out of the poverty cycle they are in unless they become an athlete, what do we do? They literally have nothing to lose.

Jail or the hug a thug programs provide food and shelter. On the street, they have neither. Having gone out into the community to meet with crime victims, I can say I’ve seen so many hopeless people in living situations that make jail seem like the Four Seasons (infested with roaches and rodents, overcrowded with unemployed and unemployable people,
etc.). Truly depressing situations that made me so grateful for my life. I don’t have the answer to this question but would be curious about your responses.

These are not new issues. They were debated when Lyndon Johnson was president. We don't have to solve all the world's problems or end poverty before we're allowed to prosecute murderers.

You are responding to me. Then
you will continue to have murderers. 🤷🏻‍♀️

You know what is a proven way to reduce murders?

Put them in jail. Turns out it’s a lot harder to murder people when you’re locked up.

That in turn has an outsized impact on crime rates because most violent crimes are committed by a small number of recidivists.

Exactly. Something like 90% of the repeat violent crime is committed by 1% of the population. For people who want to say it's about race - it isn't. Compare the 1% of the DC population that are violent criminals to the fact that 45% of DC is black. Clearly those numbers show that an overwhelming majority of blacks are not criminals. Nor are most other people in DC. Again, we are just talking about the 1% who are, not some sweeping generalities about race.

And for people who want to say "but jailing them doesn't rehabilitate them" - maybe not, but that's an issue to figure out separately. If you care about rehabilitating them, then figure out how to rehabilitate them while they are in a place where they can't continue to do harm to innocents. But if they are on the streets unrehabilitated, they will continue to commit violent crime - so until they can be rehabilitated, they need to be removed from society to keep society safe.

And for people who say "we don't have enough room/resources to lock them up" - we should instead prioritize release of lesser and non-violent offenders and should put prisoners to work to pay their own keep. That will help rehabilitate them by giving them job skills and work ethic for an honest and legitimate life after release. And for the people who say "but it's cruel and unusual to put them to work" - bullshit. If it isn't cruel and unusual to expect the rest of us to work and pay our rents and bills and put food on the table then it isn't cruel for them to do the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will preface this by saying I am a former prosecutor. Even if we increase law enforcement, what do we about a generation of teens and young adults who feel like they have nothing to lose? Until we address that issue, nothing will change. We can jail all of the people who commit crimes in DC but there is another batch coming right behind them that are poor, uneducated or undereducated, have no life skills, received limited parenting and can’t get a job that will allow them to live in a SAFE neighborhood with adequate resources (food, transportation, clothing, etc.). If even educated people making $60/70k are barely making it in DC and these people don’t make even a fraction of that and know that there is literally no way out of the poverty cycle they are in unless they become an athlete, what do we do? They literally have nothing to lose.

Jail or the hug a thug programs provide food and shelter. On the street, they have neither. Having gone out into the community to meet with crime victims, I can say I’ve seen so many hopeless people in living situations that make jail seem like the Four Seasons (infested with roaches and rodents, overcrowded with unemployed and unemployable people,
etc.). Truly depressing situations that made me so grateful for my life. I don’t have the answer to this question but would be curious about your responses.

These are not new issues. They were debated when Lyndon Johnson was president. We don't have to solve all the world's problems or end poverty before we're allowed to prosecute murderers.

You are responding to me. Then
you will continue to have murderers. 🤷🏻‍♀️

You know what is a proven way to reduce murders?

Put them in jail. Turns out it’s a lot harder to murder people when you’re locked up.

That in turn has an outsized impact on crime rates because most violent crimes are committed by a small number of recidivists.

Exactly. Something like 90% of the repeat violent crime is committed by 1% of the population. For people who want to say it's about race - it isn't. Compare the 1% of the DC population that are violent criminals to the fact that 45% of DC is black. Clearly those numbers show that an overwhelming majority of blacks are not criminals. Nor are most other people in DC. Again, we are just talking about the 1% who are, not some sweeping generalities about race.

And for people who want to say "but jailing them doesn't rehabilitate them" - maybe not, but that's an issue to figure out separately. If you care about rehabilitating them, then figure out how to rehabilitate them while they are in a place where they can't continue to do harm to innocents. But if they are on the streets unrehabilitated, they will continue to commit violent crime - so until they can be rehabilitated, they need to be removed from society to keep society safe.

And for people who say "we don't have enough room/resources to lock them up" - we should instead prioritize release of lesser and non-violent offenders and should put prisoners to work to pay their own keep. That will help rehabilitate them by giving them job skills and work ethic for an honest and legitimate life after release. And for the people who say "but it's cruel and unusual to put them to work" - bullshit. If it isn't cruel and unusual to expect the rest of us to work and pay our rents and bills and put food on the table then it isn't cruel for them to do the same.

Brilliant post! Any chance you are a DC resident and willing to run for ANC or Council?

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Your "voice" has carried the day for years now, while the city declines and shocking numbers of brown and black KIDS are shot and too often KILLED. The racism of denying that or seeming to not care is disgusting, whether from keyboard warriors or officials.

Yeah, these policies are killing people, and our leadership doesn't care. Every time someone is murdered and we are able to look at the records of the shooter, they have a string of serious violent crimes they committed and were repeatedly let go for or given just a few months. DCCrimeFacts listed a case where someone took a gun and tried to murder someone, it was caught on tape, and they were given a deal where they had to spend no time spent behind bars. Now authorities say they killed someone. The Days In shooter murdered a woman and shot several others, and has been allowed to walk free for almost too years, and now shot up a house in MD. Contee said homicide suspects have been arrested on average 11 times previously, but the system keeps setting them free.

These policies are killing people.

Then people killed are overwhelmingly BLACK & POOR. To continue these policies with the deflection of "equity" is astonishingly racist. How many hundreds of DEAD and SHOT blacks, many of them minors, will be "enough" for DC Justice Lab and the other activists?!!! How many with the silly yard signs or who supported "BLM" support this? Hypocrite much?"

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I had a very nice NYE in Adams Morgan without anyone mentioning a car jacking mugging or murder concern. Different people have different perspectives. The real reality check is that your opinion is not shared by the majority of dc residents, and all the vitriol you share here and on x isn't helping sway others.
I understand that having a scapegoat for a crime increase is a comforting feeling, but it won't lead to any meaningful change or progress.

Guess it depends on the night

Did you read the message you posted.l? It was a DV situation. As scary as that probably was for the two people involved, I don't see how that has anything to do with me being a potential target for crime.

But then again, that's what the crime bros do. They post and repost without any critical or nuanced thinking.

Exactly this. Unless you catch a stray in a neighborhood you shouldn’t be in or go to a hotel room with a guy you shouldn’t be with, this is not an issue for DCUM posters.

Don't trouble yourself to know what you are talking about, PP.

The young college student home on break was at a party of young girls at a nice hotel in Friendship Heights. When guys showed up, they were asked to leave. One flipped out and fired shots into the room when leaving. Your framing is disgusting and were you capable of it, you would feel ashamed.

And "catch a stray" where? Outside DC USA in Columbia Heights after shopping? Outside Wegmans in Cathedral Heights? At The Wharf when a restaurant is sprayed with bullets? On a sidewalk in Logan when someone not with your group is robbed in broad daylight and a perp sprays witnesses with rifle fire? Outside City Center when you are a cooperative robbery victim outside a Michelin restaurant? At Metro Center or L'Enfant metro stations during rush hour? Commuting on a bus from Takoma this morning?

Your grandiosity and sense of invincibility and utter contempt and dehumanizing of victims is certifiable.

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Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.

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Ridge Sq is the daytime armed robbery outside Wegmans at City Ridge.

Hope the above will all be prosecuted. The media attention to the murdered college student helps up the odds. It's one of the only levers to produce action by USAO it seems.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.

How do we get accountability from USAO? Frumin needs to shine a light and apply PRESSURE if he's serious about crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.

I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.

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Has anyone seen a recall petition for Frumin?

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen a recall petition for Frumin?

No..this needs to happen for the whole council except the new one from Georgetown. She's been active on crime I believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen a recall petition for Frumin?

I'd love to see one.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.

I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.

This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen a recall petition for Frumin?

I'd love to see one.

If you’re able to go to the meeting next week ask him hard questions. He voted for that ridiculous police “reform” bill that even the House Democratics were tripping over themselves to get away from. And he is a strong supporter of the voucher program that has imported violent crime, drugs, and prostitution to Connecticut Avenue. And don’t let him filibuster you, he’s good at that.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt trying to seem plugged in on crime issue. Good work by MPD. Ball is in USAO's court now.

I only see an MPD announcement about the murder arrest. Where are the announcements about the other two crimes?

What are the chances that every single person who perpetuated these crimes would have been locked up had they lived in any other place than DC? I'm putting it at 75 percent.

This killer was completely comfortable carrying an illegal gun throughout DC knowing that he could drive crazy, jump the metro turnstile or do any number of other criminal acts without having a police confrontation that would lead to a gun charge. Now this young woman is dead.

I don't even know what you are talking about. First of all, they've been pretty openly making gun related arrests on metro. Secondly, I don't know how any policy the police have in place would have caught this person with a gun before the shooting. Some of you process trauma by blaming people and while its understandable, it's also really frustrated how much misplaced blame gets passed around.