up and coming schools

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Anonymous wrote:We were impressed by the Towson campus tour and surprised that the other three families on the tour were not from the DMV.

+1 on Towson. Beautiful campus, good size. It is supposed to be a safety for UMD but frankly it is a nicer school. Watching my kid grind away to live in College Park makes me sad.

DD is a first year at Towson (accepted at UMD also). The food isn't great this year, but overall, she really likes the campus, the vibe, the people. I'm sure UMD would have been ok, but we all agree that Towson was the right choice for her.

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Anonymous wrote:Flagships in general seem to be doing well with getting more applicants.

Literally EVERY college in America is getting more applicants because of test optional on the SAT. EVERY college. It's not any reflection on the college or what kind of educational experience they are offering.

This is not even remotely true. The top 100 - 150 schools have higher applications and the rest are seeing significant declines. There are 3 MM fewer college students today vs 10 years ago. There are many schools that are 30-40% smaller today…WVU is a relatively local example.

But it is true.
1) students now apply to 15 or more schools. It used to be five
2) US student population is irrelevant. What is driving this is the anxiety about getting in, the common app. making applications easier, the need to select more and more Reaches/Targets/Safeties, and the horror stories of the top kid in X class getting into only one Safety (it happens).
3) the international numbers keep rising every year. Every Indian, Chinese, Asian, etc. student wants to study here. If UCLA and Berkeley cap that number at 10% of International and OOS students, then those international students apply elsewhere and in droves.
4) If you are a boring white or Asian male, you understand implicitly that you will be passed over for a URM or first-generation - that mindset results in more application.
5) There are very few schools that are 30-40% smaller today. WVU is failing - that's why it is cutting back on offered majors. Google it.
6) Even the Cal States (normally not schools that an OOS student would be interested in) are receiving a flood of applicaitons.

With the majority of college students bring female, wouldn't it be the Asian and White females (not males) who are passed over the most?

White/asian females may be passed over for SLAC (makes have greater chance for non stem major) but for ivy & stem majors it is the white/asian males that are passed over.

Oh yeah. Totally forgot that most college kids go to Ivy schools or are STEM majors. Silly me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flagships in general seem to be doing well with getting more applicants.

Literally EVERY college in America is getting more applicants because of test optional on the SAT. EVERY college. It's not any reflection on the college or what kind of educational experience they are offering.

This is not even remotely true. The top 100 - 150 schools have higher applications and the rest are seeing significant declines. There are 3 MM fewer college students today vs 10 years ago. There are many schools that are 30-40% smaller today…WVU is a relatively local example.

But it is true.
1) students now apply to 15 or more schools. It used to be five
2) US student population is irrelevant. What is driving this is the anxiety about getting in, the common app. making applications easier, the need to select more and more Reaches/Targets/Safeties, and the horror stories of the top kid in X class getting into only one Safety (it happens).
3) the international numbers keep rising every year. Every Indian, Chinese, Asian, etc. student wants to study here. If UCLA and Berkeley cap that number at 10% of International and OOS students, then those international students apply elsewhere and in droves.
4) If you are a boring white or Asian male, you understand implicitly that you will be passed over for a URM or first-generation - that mindset results in more application.
5) There are very few schools that are 30-40% smaller today. WVU is failing - that's why it is cutting back on offered majors. Google it.
6) Even the Cal States (normally not schools that an OOS student would be interested in) are receiving a flood of applicaitons.

There are many schools that are 30%-40% smaller. Look at all the PA small state schools like Indiana University, Shippensburg, etc. Look at Kent State. The list is extensive...it is hundreds of schools. WVU was just but one fairly local example and a significant one because it is a flagship.

Again, the top 150 or so schools are doing fine....but even within those schools there are plenty with 70%+ or 80%+ acceptance rates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would Jmu, Gmu, or VT be considered up an coming?

JMU and GMU yes.

Are they, though? They both seem kind of plateaued to me. I mean, they're both great options for what they are, but I don't see either currently evolving into a different-level place. Of the three, I'd say VT actually is the most likely "comer."

DP. I would say all three, with VT becoming one of the most sought after in VA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would Jmu, Gmu, or VT be considered up an coming?

JMU and GMU yes.

Are they, though? They both seem kind of plateaued to me. I mean, they're both great options for what they are, but I don't see either currently evolving into a different-level place. Of the three, I'd say VT actually is the most likely "comer."

DP. I would say all three, with VT becoming one of the most sought after in VA.

JMU is a less impressive school than it was 30 years ago and pretty much the same as it was 10 years ago. No sure how that qualifies as "up and coming."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flagships in general seem to be doing well with getting more applicants.

Literally EVERY college in America is getting more applicants because of test optional on the SAT. EVERY college. It's not any reflection on the college or what kind of educational experience they are offering.

This is not even remotely true. The top 100 - 150 schools have higher applications and the rest are seeing significant declines. There are 3 MM fewer college students today vs 10 years ago. There are many schools that are 30-40% smaller today…WVU is a relatively local example.

But it is true.
1) students now apply to 15 or more schools. It used to be five
2) US student population is irrelevant. What is driving this is the anxiety about getting in, the common app. making applications easier, the need to select more and more Reaches/Targets/Safeties, and the horror stories of the top kid in X class getting into only one Safety (it happens).
3) the international numbers keep rising every year. Every Indian, Chinese, Asian, etc. student wants to study here. If UCLA and Berkeley cap that number at 10% of International and OOS students, then those international students apply elsewhere and in droves.
4) If you are a boring white or Asian male, you understand implicitly that you will be passed over for a URM or first-generation - that mindset results in more application.
5) There are very few schools that are 30-40% smaller today. WVU is failing - that's why it is cutting back on offered majors. Google it.
6) Even the Cal States (normally not schools that an OOS student would be interested in) are receiving a flood of applicaitons.

There are many schools that are 30%-40% smaller. Look at all the PA small state schools like Indiana University, Shippensburg, etc. Look at Kent State. The list is extensive...it is hundreds of schools. WVU was just but one fairly local example and a significant one because it is a flagship.

Again, the top 150 or so schools are doing fine....but even within those schools there are plenty with 70%+ or 80%+ acceptance rates.

Not true. WVU is having problems so scaling back majors. And some tiny SLACs are shuttering because they never overcame the financial issues associated with COVID. There are 4,000-5,000 institutions of higher learning in the U.S. Citing two or three for your sweeping proposition that there are "many schools that are 30-40% smaller" is just not accurate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were impressed by the Towson campus tour and surprised that the other three families on the tour were not from the DMV.

+1 on Towson. Beautiful campus, good size. It is supposed to be a safety for UMD but frankly it is a nicer school. Watching my kid grind away to live in College Park makes me sad.

DD is a first year at Towson (accepted at UMD also). The food isn't great this year, but overall, she really likes the campus, the vibe, the people. I'm sure UMD would have been ok, but we all agree that Towson was the right choice for her.

We did not try the food but saw a Chik fil a in the dining hall which my kid could probably eat everyday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flagships in general seem to be doing well with getting more applicants.

Literally EVERY college in America is getting more applicants because of test optional on the SAT. EVERY college. It's not any reflection on the college or what kind of educational experience they are offering.

This is not even remotely true. The top 100 - 150 schools have higher applications and the rest are seeing significant declines. There are 3 MM fewer college students today vs 10 years ago. There are many schools that are 30-40% smaller today…WVU is a relatively local example.

But it is true.
1) students now apply to 15 or more schools. It used to be five
2) US student population is irrelevant. What is driving this is the anxiety about getting in, the common app. making applications easier, the need to select more and more Reaches/Targets/Safeties, and the horror stories of the top kid in X class getting into only one Safety (it happens).
3) the international numbers keep rising every year. Every Indian, Chinese, Asian, etc. student wants to study here. If UCLA and Berkeley cap that number at 10% of International and OOS students, then those international students apply elsewhere and in droves.
4) If you are a boring white or Asian male, you understand implicitly that you will be passed over for a URM or first-generation - that mindset results in more application.
5) There are very few schools that are 30-40% smaller today. WVU is failing - that's why it is cutting back on offered majors. Google it.
6) Even the Cal States (normally not schools that an OOS student would be interested in) are receiving a flood of applicaitons.

There are many schools that are 30%-40% smaller. Look at all the PA small state schools like Indiana University, Shippensburg, etc. Look at Kent State. The list is extensive...it is hundreds of schools. WVU was just but one fairly local example and a significant one because it is a flagship.

Again, the top 150 or so schools are doing fine....but even within those schools there are plenty with 70%+ or 80%+ acceptance rates.

Not true. WVU is having problems so scaling back majors. And some tiny SLACs are shuttering because they never overcame the financial issues associated with COVID. There are 4,000-5,000 institutions of higher learning in the U.S. Citing two or three for your sweeping proposition that there are "many schools that are 30-40% smaller" is just not accurate.

If you spent two minutes googling the topic you would see that many schools are seeing declining emrollment.

There are 3 million fewer college students enrolled today compare to 2013. Some of the decline is CC but the majority are 4 year institutions.

I can’t help that you won’t spend two minutes doing some independent research.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flagships in general seem to be doing well with getting more applicants.

Literally EVERY college in America is getting more applicants because of test optional on the SAT. EVERY college. It's not any reflection on the college or what kind of educational experience they are offering.

This is not even remotely true. The top 100 - 150 schools have higher applications and the rest are seeing significant declines. There are 3 MM fewer college students today vs 10 years ago. There are many schools that are 30-40% smaller today…WVU is a relatively local example.

But it is true.
1) students now apply to 15 or more schools. It used to be five
2) US student population is irrelevant. What is driving this is the anxiety about getting in, the common app. making applications easier, the need to select more and more Reaches/Targets/Safeties, and the horror stories of the top kid in X class getting into only one Safety (it happens).
3) the international numbers keep rising every year. Every Indian, Chinese, Asian, etc. student wants to study here. If UCLA and Berkeley cap that number at 10% of International and OOS students, then those international students apply elsewhere and in droves.
4) If you are a boring white or Asian male, you understand implicitly that you will be passed over for a URM or first-generation - that mindset results in more application.
5) There are very few schools that are 30-40% smaller today. WVU is failing - that's why it is cutting back on offered majors. Google it.
6) Even the Cal States (normally not schools that an OOS student would be interested in) are receiving a flood of applicaitons.

With the majority of college students bring female, wouldn't it be the Asian and White females (not males) who are passed over the most?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

High point-This is a school that really prepares kids for actionable careers. A friend sent their kid there and loved their experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were impressed by the Towson campus tour and surprised that the other three families on the tour were not from the DMV.

+1 on Towson. Beautiful campus, good size. It is supposed to be a safety for UMD but frankly it is a nicer school. Watching my kid grind away to live in College Park makes me sad.

DD is a first year at Towson (accepted at UMD also). The food isn't great this year, but overall, she really likes the campus, the vibe, the people. I'm sure UMD would have been ok, but we all agree that Towson was the right choice for her.

We did not try the food but saw a Chik fil a in the dining hall which my kid could probably eat everyday.

DP, who also has a freshman at Towson and who is also happy. The problem with the food is that you have to have a dining plan as a freshman living on campus, and the main plan doesn't include the vendors like Chik Fil A. You can use dining dollars for it (as is the case for most campuses), but most of your money is for the main dining halls. It's not a deal breaker, but you should know going in that if your kid wants Chik Fil A every day, you will be paying for it on top of the $2,600 or so per semester you are required to spend.

[Anonymous]

Bummer- hopefully they will modify the meal plan based on feedback. Not a deal breaker though. My college cafeteria was pretty bad and we all muddied through.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:High point-This is a school that really prepares kids for actionable careers. A friend sent their kid there and loved their experience.

The glossy brochures & catalogs they send us endlessly look cultish. Can’t even recycle as they are covered in plastic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would Jmu, Gmu, or VT be considered up an coming?

JMU and GMU yes.

Are they, though? They both seem kind of plateaued to me. I mean, they're both great options for what they are, but I don't see either currently evolving into a different-level place. Of the three, I'd say VT actually is the most likely "comer."

DP. I would say all three, with VT becoming one of the most sought after in VA.

JMU is a less impressive school than it was 30 years ago and pretty much the same as it was 10 years ago. No sure how that qualifies as "up and coming."

It's one of the most popular schools in VA for a reason. Everyone I've ever known who attended loved it. Same with VT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High point-This is a school that really prepares kids for actionable careers. A friend sent their kid there and loved their experience.

The glossy brochures & catalogs they send us endlessly look cultish. Can’t even recycle as they are covered in plastic.

What does cultish mean?