Navigating College Admissions: Avoiding Disadvantage for Multiracial (Asian/White) Applicants in Virginia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Eh, my kids had plenty of advantages in life. If someone kid who didn’t have the resources and support my kids have gets a leg up, I’m ok with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA - 18% Asian, 6% Multi-racial
W&M - 12% Asian, 7% Multi-racial
VT - 11% Asian, 5% Multi-racial

In Virginia, the demographic is 7% Asian and 3% Multi-racial. There are no disadvantages to applying as an Asian or White/Asian student. This disadvantage lies in applying for popular majors, like engineering and computer science or medicine. Most Asians are applying to those competitive majors. That is the issue at play.

I think at W&M, you do not apply by major, at UVA, you apply by college, and at VT, you do apply by major.

At all of the above schools, you indicate your intended major. (And it absolutely is a data point in your application, even though they might not "hold you to intended major.")

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Eh, my kids had plenty of advantages in life. If someone kid who didn’t have the resources and support my kids have gets a leg up, I’m ok with that.

Right in theory I feel the same way. But ever since I was a senior in high school and I didn't get into my dream School, but a rich, black, always -- joking around and taking away from the intellectual conversation in class--- student with much lower everything than me got in, I started to feel differently. He was a nice guy, had nothing against him personally, but to say he was more deserving of the opportunity than me was totally absurd. But, he checked a different box than me. I don't think that this is a fair thing at an institution receiving lots of federal funding. And apparently the supreme Court agrees with me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Eh, my kids had plenty of advantages in life. If someone kid who didn’t have the resources and support my kids have gets a leg up, I’m ok with that.

Right in theory I feel the same way. But ever since I was a senior in high school and I didn't get into my dream School, but a rich, black, always -- joking around and taking away from the intellectual conversation in class--- student with much lower everything than me got in, I started to feel differently. He was a nice guy, had nothing against him personally, but to say he was more deserving of the opportunity than me was totally absurd. But, he checked a different box than me. I don't think that this is a fair thing at an institution receiving lots of federal funding. And apparently the supreme Court agrees with me.

Look at it this way... that guy probably went on to engage and inspire more people than you would have after going to your dream school. And, yes, inspiring more people because of his culture and the color of his skin. It just works that way. We are not a culture-blind, color-blind world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Eh, my kids had plenty of advantages in life. If someone kid who didn’t have the resources and support my kids have gets a leg up, I’m ok with that.

Right in theory I feel the same way. But ever since I was a senior in high school and I didn't get into my dream School, but a rich, black, always -- joking around and taking away from the intellectual conversation in class--- student with much lower everything than me got in, I started to feel differently. He was a nice guy, had nothing against him personally, but to say he was more deserving of the opportunity than me was totally absurd. But, he checked a different box than me. I don't think that this is a fair thing at an institution receiving lots of federal funding. And apparently the supreme Court agrees with me.

Could anyone else in the room see this student?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Where’s the data that supports this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Where’s the data that supports this?

Harvard lawsuit etc. you’re in denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Where’s the data that supports this?

Harvard lawsuit etc. you’re in denial.

+1. Held that the Asians were discriminated against.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Eh, my kids had plenty of advantages in life. If someone kid who didn’t have the resources and support my kids have gets a leg up, I’m ok with that.

I hope they learned to start a sentence without sounding drunk

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Eh, my kids had plenty of advantages in life. If someone kid who didn’t have the resources and support my kids have gets a leg up, I’m ok with that.

Right in theory I feel the same way. But ever since I was a senior in high school and I didn't get into my dream School, but a rich, black, always -- joking around and taking away from the intellectual conversation in class--- student with much lower everything than me got in, I started to feel differently. He was a nice guy, had nothing against him personally, but to say he was more deserving of the opportunity than me was totally absurd. But, he checked a different box than me. I don't think that this is a fair thing at an institution receiving lots of federal funding. And apparently the supreme Court agrees with me.

Look at it this way... that guy probably went on to engage and inspire more people than you would have after going to your dream school. And, yes, inspiring more people because of his culture and the color of his skin. It just works that way. We are not a culture-blind, color-blind world.

Except we kind of are - I know enough first generation American, parents were blue collar, first in their family to finish college types who don't look the part that the rest of society wants to naively pigeon hole them into "privileged" category. One can argue that given the criteria, this kind of applicant needs more assistance than some others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Eh, my kids had plenty of advantages in life. If someone kid who didn’t have the resources and support my kids have gets a leg up, I’m ok with that.

Right in theory I feel the same way. But ever since I was a senior in high school and I didn't get into my dream School, but a rich, black, always -- joking around and taking away from the intellectual conversation in class--- student with much lower everything than me got in, I started to feel differently. He was a nice guy, had nothing against him personally, but to say he was more deserving of the opportunity than me was totally absurd. But, he checked a different box than me. I don't think that this is a fair thing at an institution receiving lots of federal funding. And apparently the supreme Court agrees with me.

Look at it this way... that guy probably went on to engage and inspire more people than you would have after going to your dream school. And, yes, inspiring more people because of his culture and the color of his skin. It just works that way. We are not a culture-blind, color-blind world.

Except we kind of are - I know enough first generation American, parents were blue collar, first in their family to finish college types who don't look the part that the rest of society wants to naively pigeon hole them into "privileged" category. One can argue that given the criteria, this kind of applicant needs more assistance than some others.

(ie: needs more assistance than a black or hispanic applicant whose parents are both college graduates, maybe live in a $1m+ home, and live in a high COL area).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Eh, my kids had plenty of advantages in life. If someone kid who didn’t have the resources and support my kids have gets a leg up, I’m ok with that.

Right in theory I feel the same way. But ever since I was a senior in high school and I didn't get into my dream School, but a rich, black, always -- joking around and taking away from the intellectual conversation in class--- student with much lower everything than me got in, I started to feel differently. He was a nice guy, had nothing against him personally, but to say he was more deserving of the opportunity than me was totally absurd. But, he checked a different box than me. I don't think that this is a fair thing at an institution receiving lots of federal funding. And apparently the supreme Court agrees with me.

Look at it this way... that guy probably went on to engage and inspire more people than you would have after going to your dream school. And, yes, inspiring more people because of his culture and the color of his skin. It just works that way. We are not a culture-blind, color-blind world.

Except we kind of are - I know enough first generation American, parents were blue collar, first in their family to finish college types who don't look the part that the rest of society wants to naively pigeon hole them into "privileged" category. One can argue that given the criteria, this kind of applicant needs more assistance than some others.

(ie: needs more assistance than a black or hispanic applicant whose parents are both college graduates, maybe live in a $1m+ home, and live in a high COL area).

What's with the preferential treatment towards Hispanics, especially those that just landed or a gen or two ago from elsewhere? I look at the questions and go, WTF!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Where’s the data that supports this?

The issue is that Asians (and whites) are not a minority, and should not form an argument on this topic, with that being the premise (real or implied). Asians (or whites) can attack the small subgroups (URM, legacy, whatever it is this week) In the 80's, if you were Asian applicant, it was much easier to be admitted to college in the U.S. - now, their arguments are not applicable. If white people, at the time, had said "fewer Asians should be admitted", thinking their seats were being taken by Asians, imagine how that would be received?!

The minute you say "but we are more deserving", and you attack another group (real or implied) - which is seen on DCUM often, you lose the argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

Eh, my kids had plenty of advantages in life. If someone kid who didn’t have the resources and support my kids have gets a leg up, I’m ok with that.

Right in theory I feel the same way. But ever since I was a senior in high school and I didn't get into my dream School, but a rich, black, always -- joking around and taking away from the intellectual conversation in class--- student with much lower everything than me got in, I started to feel differently. He was a nice guy, had nothing against him personally, but to say he was more deserving of the opportunity than me was totally absurd. But, he checked a different box than me. I don't think that this is a fair thing at an institution receiving lots of federal funding. And apparently the supreme Court agrees with me.

Look at it this way... that guy probably went on to engage and inspire more people than you would have after going to your dream school. And, yes, inspiring more people because of his culture and the color of his skin. It just works that way. We are not a culture-blind, color-blind world.

Except we kind of are - I know enough first generation American, parents were blue collar, first in their family to finish college types who don't look the part that the rest of society wants to naively pigeon hole them into "privileged" category. One can argue that given the criteria, this kind of applicant needs more assistance than some others.

(ie: needs more assistance than a black or hispanic applicant whose parents are both college graduates, maybe live in a $1m+ home, and live in a high COL area).

What's with the preferential treatment towards Hispanics, especially those that just landed or a gen or two ago from elsewhere? I look at the questions and go, WTF!

I don't understand your question. Are you talking about immigrants whose parents had college degrees, or not. PP was talking about preference for those without college degrees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA - 18% Asian, 6% Multi-racial
W&M - 12% Asian, 7% Multi-racial
VT - 11% Asian, 5% Multi-racial

In Virginia, the demographic is 7% Asian and 3% Multi-racial. There are no disadvantages to applying as an Asian or White/Asian student. This disadvantage lies in applying for popular majors, like engineering and computer science or medicine. Most Asians are applying to those competitive majors. That is the issue at play.

I think at W&M, you do not apply by major, at UVA, you apply by college, and at VT, you do apply by major.

At all of the above schools, you indicate your intended major. (And it absolutely is a data point in your application, even though they might not "hold you to intended major.")

That is very different than applying to a major.