Navigating College Admissions: Avoiding Disadvantage for Multiracial (Asian/White) Applicants in Virginia

[Anonymous]

What Asian pool? It is 2023 and universities don't receive that data anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What Asian pool? It is 2023 and universities don't receive that data anymore.

The questions are still there and they do receive the data unless they choose to hide it from themselves. That said, good point in that this is more relevant now for the advanced degrees. Less so for undergrad.

[Anonymous]

My kid submitted several. There was a pre-submission notice that said XXX University has opted to not receive... and it listed the data they choose to not accept. Each one was different but they all said they would not accept race data

[Anonymous]

The Common App is not subject to the Supreme Court decision because it is a non-profit THAT DOESN'T MAKE ADMISSION DECISIONS. The Common App collects the data for research and also will provide racial demographic data to schools that request it after the admissions process. Schools that receive federal funding are REQUIRED by the federal gov to collect demographic data under Title IX.

That is why the race box is still on the Common App.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) Don’t lie. Leave blank if you don’t want to answer.

2) For those saying ethnicity/race do not matter more than half the schools my kid looked at on Naviance have it as a factor that has MORE weight than her GPA. So she is supposed to believe that they all just forgot to remove after SCOTUS ruling, yeah right.

Sample:
Application Factors

These are the factors that XXX College considers when evaluating applicants.

Very Important
Character/Personal Qualities
Curriculum Rigor/School Record
Ethnicity
Interview
Recommendations
Work Experience

Important
GPA

No idea how much schools consider race. But gpa is almost meaningless when compared across schools— too many variations in how schools grade and calculate gpa. This doesn’t mean that they don’t compare grades among students in the same school (paying close attention to rigor). But gpa itself doesn’t hold much weight.

Also, top tier competitive schools have an algorithm where they re-calculate the GPA and create their own GPA.

From what I have seen, it is new summarized metadata (in a shirt table/chart) that goes on the application with the new GPA; the standardized test score, if any; the state, the gender; private, or public school; other data - affiliated in someway with the university or some other sort of preferred category (URM/1G). That’s the organizational metadata.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of my nieces and nephews are half Asian/half white coming from two different sisters with Asian husbands.

Yes, if they are going into a heavily technical field or the medical field, they need to put white. They also could put "other." But, white is just as valid as Asian so it really doesn't matter for them. And "other" is always valid.

If they are going into something else, maybe race/ethnicity isn't such a big deal. Like culinary science or construction management.

Asian, particular Asians with an immigrant parent (like my sisters' kids) will be judged against their peers, which are Asians with an immigrant parent. You want your kids out of that pool and back into the pool with the white kids.

The applications aren't refined enough to pick up Asian American kids with regular Asian American parents (i.e., no immigrant parent).

In sum, if your kids have an easy way to get out of the Asian applicant pool, take it. Those kids score high. It is what it is.

Other is not an option on the common app

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of my nieces and nephews are half Asian/half white coming from two different sisters with Asian husbands.

Yes, if they are going into a heavily technical field or the medical field, they need to put white. They also could put "other." But, white is just as valid as Asian so it really doesn't matter for them. And "other" is always valid.

If they are going into something else, maybe race/ethnicity isn't such a big deal. Like culinary science or construction management.

Asian, particular Asians with an immigrant parent (like my sisters' kids) will be judged against their peers, which are Asians with an immigrant parent. You want your kids out of that pool and back into the pool with the white kids.

The applications aren't refined enough to pick up Asian American kids with regular Asian American parents (i.e., no immigrant parent).

In sum, if your kids have an easy way to get out of the Asian applicant pool, take it. Those kids score high. It is what it is.

Np. 1/2 south Asian and 1/2 white kid. Our private CC told us not to complete. Given schools don’t get the info now, it doesn’t matter for purposes of admissions.

In terms of discussing ethnicity/multi-racial status in the app, it’s a hard call. Could be a benefit in some places bc male child not stem/pre-med and more humanities focused.

It’s a school by school evaluation….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of my nieces and nephews are half Asian/half white coming from two different sisters with Asian husbands.

Yes, if they are going into a heavily technical field or the medical field, they need to put white. They also could put "other." But, white is just as valid as Asian so it really doesn't matter for them. And "other" is always valid.

If they are going into something else, maybe race/ethnicity isn't such a big deal. Like culinary science or construction management.

Asian, particular Asians with an immigrant parent (like my sisters' kids) will be judged against their peers, which are Asians with an immigrant parent. You want your kids out of that pool and back into the pool with the white kids.

The applications aren't refined enough to pick up Asian American kids with regular Asian American parents (i.e., no immigrant parent).

In sum, if your kids have an easy way to get out of the Asian applicant pool, take it. Those kids score high. It is what it is.

Np. 1/2 south Asian and 1/2 white kid. Our private CC told us not to complete. Given schools don’t get the info now, it doesn’t matter for purposes of admissions.

In terms of discussing ethnicity/multi-racial status in the app, it’s a hard call. Could be a benefit in some places bc male child not stem/pre-med and more humanities focused.

It’s a school by school evaluation….

Jeezus

[Anonymous]

OP, the biggest disadvantage your kid may have is if they have similar applications to lots of other kids. This idea tge URMs are somehow taking spots away from Asian or white kids is false and ludicrous. Also, as many others noted, race is not a data point for applications. But, you should know that, so I am also wondering if you are a troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA - 18% Asian, 6% Multi-racial
W&M - 12% Asian, 7% Multi-racial
VT - 11% Asian, 5% Multi-racial

In Virginia, the demographic is 7% Asian and 3% Multi-racial. There are no disadvantages to applying as an Asian or White/Asian student. This disadvantage lies in applying for popular majors, like engineering and computer science or medicine. Most Asians are applying to those competitive majors. That is the issue at play.

I think at W&M, you do not apply by major, at UVA, you apply by college, and at VT, you do apply by major.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA - 18% Asian, 6% Multi-racial
W&M - 12% Asian, 7% Multi-racial
VT - 11% Asian, 5% Multi-racial

In Virginia, the demographic is 7% Asian and 3% Multi-racial. There are no disadvantages to applying as an Asian or White/Asian student. This disadvantage lies in applying for popular majors, like engineering and computer science or medicine. Most Asians are applying to those competitive majors. That is the issue at play.

I think at W&M, you do not apply by major, at UVA, you apply by college, and at VT, you do apply by major.

I have an Asian/White kid who applied ED at W&M last year.
Did have to indicate the intended major.
Kid identifies as multiracial and has not experienced a disadvantage.
Was accepted.

[Anonymous]

Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

There are always white/Asian kids who got in obviously. It's getting exponentially harder because the unfair disadvantage they're subject to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA - 18% Asian, 6% Multi-racial
W&M - 12% Asian, 7% Multi-racial
VT - 11% Asian, 5% Multi-racial

In Virginia, the demographic is 7% Asian and 3% Multi-racial. There are no disadvantages to applying as an Asian or White/Asian student. This disadvantage lies in applying for popular majors, like engineering and computer science or medicine. Most Asians are applying to those competitive majors. That is the issue at play.

I think at W&M, you do not apply by major, at UVA, you apply by college, and at VT, you do apply by major.

I have an Asian/White kid who applied ED at W&M last year.
Did have to indicate the intended major.
Kid identifies as multiracial and has not experienced a disadvantage.
Was accepted.

They don't hold you to intended major.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Somehow my half white, half Asian kids got into multiple great schools each. I spent zero time worrying about this because I have confidence in my kids.

We didn't worry about this as well.
My kid was confident that they didn't have to hide who they are.