Navigating College Admissions: Avoiding Disadvantage for Multiracial (Asian/White) Applicants in Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:Asking again.. If it's *illegal* to use race as a factor but the system is asking for it anyway, is it wrong to provide fake information? e.g. White kid checking the Black box on the common app. Can a school subsequently penalize an applicant for this?

If the answer is no, everyone should do that. Just fake it up until the information becomes useless and they stop asking for it.

You can get thrown out of college or have your degree rescinded for lying on your application. I have seen it. Do not do that. That would be unbelievably stupid, and your actions would severely punish your child.

Just leave it blank

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Anonymous wrote:Race is not part of the application anymore, folks. My kid just applied. There’s no “race box” anymore. You can talk about your race in your essay if you want to but that’s it.

Wrong - it is still part of the common app - you chose whether you fill it in.

It is on almost all requests for info on schools websites - some are optional, some are not but for those you can chose decline to report or check the “other” box. So if SCOTUS says they can use race, why are they still collecting it? Because they use it. 🤨

It's not used for admission but is used for data collection to see how many X are admitted to the school. It's still a useful statistic. Same as knowing how many women vs men.

They cannot use for admissions purposes, but they can use for recruitment purposes. That is, if they'd like more URM students, they can send more emails to those students or somehow do something else to encourage applications. URMs are far less likely to apply to top schools for many reasons. So if they can ID those students, they can try to increase # of applications with the theory that they will have then have more qualified applicants in the pool. Once admitted, they can also follow up with whatever segment of students they'd like, and encourage them to come. (Again, URMs are less likely to accept the admissions offers-- schools are far from home, concerns about $$, concerns about whether they would thrive in the community, etc.--- so such followup might help them seal the deal on people they have already admitted.)

So you are also confirming that they use it. My point has been if they cannot use it it needs to be removed from common app, all
school questionnaires etc. It should be a data point the applicant provides AFTER they are accepted - if the reason for having it is to provide statistics on who was admitted/who accepted.

Why would you counsel your kid to lie? The information is necessary or useful for all kinds of reasons unrelated to admissions. For starters, knowing the race of all applicants (after the admissions decisions have been made) is relevant to figuring out whether a university is discriminating, whether they want to focus marketing on certain groups or areas of the country (which is legal), etc. it’s also important to have those statistics about the enrolled class so that potential applicants can have information about demographic mix (just like gender mix) when deciding whether to apply. Some applicants may not want to apply to a school that has a significant gender imbalance or a low number of students that share their racial heritage, for example.

It is important for gathering data for financial aid - if a school has the wrong data - they will not allocate the right amount (more) of financial aid. I am shocked how few people understand how the system really works, and how much misinformation is being spread.

How does knowing race matter for financial aid? Financial aid is based on finances. If a kid wants to apply for a race-based scholarship then they can.

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Anonymous wrote:Race is not part of the application anymore, folks. My kid just applied. There’s no “race box” anymore. You can talk about your race in your essay if you want to but that’s it.

Wrong - it is still part of the common app - you chose whether you fill it in.

It is on almost all requests for info on schools websites - some are optional, some are not but for those you can chose decline to report or check the “other” box. So if SCOTUS says they can use race, why are they still collecting it? Because they use it. 🤨

It's not used for admission but is used for data collection to see how many X are admitted to the school. It's still a useful statistic. Same as knowing how many women vs men.

They cannot use for admissions purposes, but they can use for recruitment purposes. That is, if they'd like more URM students, they can send more emails to those students or somehow do something else to encourage applications. URMs are far less likely to apply to top schools for many reasons. So if they can ID those students, they can try to increase # of applications with the theory that they will have then have more qualified applicants in the pool. Once admitted, they can also follow up with whatever segment of students they'd like, and encourage them to come. (Again, URMs are less likely to accept the admissions offers-- schools are far from home, concerns about $$, concerns about whether they would thrive in the community, etc.--- so such followup might help them seal the deal on people they have already admitted.)

So you are also confirming that they use it. My point has been if they cannot use it it needs to be removed from common app, all
school questionnaires etc. It should be a data point the applicant provides AFTER they are accepted - if the reason for having it is to provide statistics on who was admitted/who accepted.

Why would you counsel your kid to lie? The information is necessary or useful for all kinds of reasons unrelated to admissions. For starters, knowing the race of all applicants (after the admissions decisions have been made) is relevant to figuring out whether a university is discriminating, whether they want to focus marketing on certain groups or areas of the country (which is legal), etc. it’s also important to have those statistics about the enrolled class so that potential applicants can have information about demographic mix (just like gender mix) when deciding whether to apply. Some applicants may not want to apply to a school that has a significant gender imbalance or a low number of students that share their racial heritage, for example.

It is important for gathering data for financial aid - if a school has the wrong data - they will not allocate the right amount (more) of financial aid. I am shocked how few people understand how the system really works, and how much misinformation is being spread.

How does knowing race matter for financial aid? Financial aid is based on finances. If a kid wants to apply for a race-based scholarship then they can.

I can't spell everything out for you. Whether or not you like it, stats are kept.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asking again.. If it's *illegal* to use race as a factor but the system is asking for it anyway, is it wrong to provide fake information? e.g. White kid checking the Black box on the common app. Can a school subsequently penalize an applicant for this?

If the answer is no, everyone should do that. Just fake it up until the information becomes useless and they stop asking for it.

You can get thrown out of college or have your degree rescinded for lying on your application. I have seen it. Do not do that. That would be unbelievably stupid, and your actions would severely punish your child.

Just leave it blank

That is not what PP suggested. PP suggested lying, hence jeopardizing their DC's future. I mean, after all that test prep, you would think they learned something.

[Anonymous]

1) Don’t lie. Leave blank if you don’t want to answer.

2) For those saying ethnicity/race do not matter more than half the schools my kid looked at on Naviance have it as a factor that has MORE weight than her GPA. So she is supposed to believe that they all just forgot to remove after SCOTUS ruling, yeah right.

Sample:
Application Factors

These are the factors that XXX College considers when evaluating applicants.

Very Important
Character/Personal Qualities
Curriculum Rigor/School Record
Ethnicity
Interview
Recommendations
Work Experience

Important
GPA

[Anonymous]

Honestly, your best bet is to move to the middle of nowhere, but no one wants to do that.

[Anonymous]

How will XXX College consider ethnicity when the application does not include ethnicity? How are they supposed to know that "Kevin Santos" is Filipino and ethnically 75% Chinese? You're starting to sound like you're battling ghosts and shadows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can enter whatever you like. The schools won't see it during the review process. But there is some chance they will see it if/when your kid is offered admission. At that point the question is "Who did you lie too?" Was it to the school or to the third party? And does it matter?

Go ahead and find out. If offers start getting rescinded then we'll know

so, OP should put Black/African American, and see what happens. Then if they get caught, they say, "Oh, oops, we must've fat fingered, and didn't pay attention since SCOTUS ruling indicated that race cannot be a factor".

then see what happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How will XXX College consider ethnicity when the application does not include ethnicity? How are they supposed to know that "Kevin Santos" is Filipino and ethnically 75% Chinese? You're starting to sound like you're battling ghosts and shadows.

Well, the students that I know admitted to reaches certainly have worked their minority ethnicity raw. But they are definitely NOT lying, because they do not want their kid thrown out of school, if that is what you are asking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can enter whatever you like. The schools won't see it during the review process. But there is some chance they will see it if/when your kid is offered admission. At that point the question is "Who did you lie too?" Was it to the school or to the third party? And does it matter?

Go ahead and find out. If offers start getting rescinded then we'll know

so, OP should put Black/African American, and see what happens. Then if they get caught, they say, "Oh, oops, we must've fat fingered, and didn't pay attention since SCOTUS ruling indicated that race cannot be a factor".

then see what happens.

Just go for broke and write it in your essays as well. And don't forget to "fat finger" the FAFSA and CSS applications while you're at it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can enter whatever you like. The schools won't see it during the review process. But there is some chance they will see it if/when your kid is offered admission. At that point the question is "Who did you lie too?" Was it to the school or to the third party? And does it matter?

Go ahead and find out. If offers start getting rescinded then we'll know

so, OP should put Black/African American, and see what happens. Then if they get caught, they say, "Oh, oops, we must've fat fingered, and didn't pay attention since SCOTUS ruling indicated that race cannot be a factor".

then see what happens.

You are not listening. Colleges do not play around with that, at all, and excuses are not accepted. Colleges know that this is a hot topic, and act accordingly - they are not stupid, they will throw your kid out of school, with a notation on their transcript (there is a term for it - essentially lying on a pertinent application document). No lawyer in the world will get you out of lying on the application documents, but you can certainly pay thousands to try. You will not get into another school and/or your diploma will be rescinded.

But have at it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can enter whatever you like. The schools won't see it during the review process. But there is some chance they will see it if/when your kid is offered admission. At that point the question is "Who did you lie too?" Was it to the school or to the third party? And does it matter?

Go ahead and find out. If offers start getting rescinded then we'll know

so, OP should put Black/African American, and see what happens. Then if they get caught, they say, "Oh, oops, we must've fat fingered, and didn't pay attention since SCOTUS ruling indicated that race cannot be a factor".

then see what happens.

Just go for broke and write it in your essays as well. And don't forget to "fat finger" the FAFSA and CSS applications while you're at it.

Excellent. Federal Offense. Why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How will XXX College consider ethnicity when the application does not include ethnicity? How are they supposed to know that "Kevin Santos" is Filipino and ethnically 75% Chinese? You're starting to sound like you're battling ghosts and shadows.

Well, the students that I know admitted to reaches certainly have worked their minority ethnicity raw. But they are definitely NOT lying, because they do not want their kid thrown out of school, if that is what you are asking.

Unless the school thinks they are lying, then a legal defense would get expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How will XXX College consider ethnicity when the application does not include ethnicity? How are they supposed to know that "Kevin Santos" is Filipino and ethnically 75% Chinese? You're starting to sound like you're battling ghosts and shadows.

It’s the esssys ppl….
Have you not read the prompts this year? Wtf….so clueless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How will XXX College consider ethnicity when the application does not include ethnicity? How are they supposed to know that "Kevin Santos" is Filipino and ethnically 75% Chinese? You're starting to sound like you're battling ghosts and shadows.

It’s the esssys ppl….
Have you not read the prompts this year? Wtf….so clueless.

Checkmated by the first amendment.